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[Gravitational Molestation]

You stopped arguing them because you have no legitimate response. You have no counter argument.

Karakuri:
Because we cannot predict the future, we already agreed that at present they are fail. I'll let go about the future stuff because, unless they get reliable FTK, you have no counter argument for CFD saying "lawl, you lose". So I win that argument regardless.

Playing to win:
It's fact that you continue to play to try to outdo your opponent, the gauntlet in front of you, etc. Even if it's infinite playtime. Thus, you are playing to beat your opponent, to win. Regardless of fun, you always play to win.

Your argument:
I don't care what -you- play. If one of my friends wanted to play Infernities without Launchers, I'd call them stupid and tell them "You know you won't ever win without it, right?" If they said, "Yes." I'd just laugh and ignore it. I'd then proceed to pound them into oblivion. I'm not going to handicap myself because they want to weaken their own deck but I'm not going to force them to play what they don't want to play.

The same applies here.

Play what you want but, when you start trying to prove you're right about something. When you try to say X is better than Y and I believe the reverse? I'll talk circles around you and continue to do so.

Finally, what problems? I'm stating only a few things about -you-. The first and foremost is that you have no idea about the competitive field. You don't understand the finer tactics of that tier of play.

As for competitive players talking about your casual s**t, you have that issue right now. You post in this guild and the two or three players that are worth anything will likely look at your stuff, post, and laugh when you defend it without acknowledging that what they said is better than what you have, without stating that you're intentionally weakening the deck. You try acting superior to the competitive players and they laugh at you.

In your little group? No one cares about your little group except you kids. Your little group has no weight on the game as a whole and likely has about as much understanding about the competitive field of deck building as my sister... who doesn't play or care about this game.

Now I'll ask you a direct question... ahem...

Actually... there's nothing about you that I care to know about. You play casual, I play competitive. I care if a deck works against the other tiers, you don't. You intentionally weaken a deck to make sure others have a fair chance against you, I think that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard (I believe in forcing the other players to build stronger decks or play better by continuously beating them and offering advice). You think that all competitive players are scum, I recognize that it doesn't matter what they play a player is a person with a varying personality. To judge on their field of play is basically racism.

So, be sure to note, it's not because you play casual that I don't like you. It's your "to the dying breath!" attitude to defend that your casual decks are "good", when in reality they aren't.  

[Legendary Pirate Plasma]

Gravitational Molestation

You stopped arguing them because you have no legitimate response. You have no counter argument.

Karakuri:
Because we cannot predict the future, we already agreed that at present they are fail. I'll let go about the future stuff because, unless they get reliable FTK, you have no counter argument for CFD saying "lawl, you lose". So I win that argument regardless.

Playing to win:
It's fact that you continue to play to try to outdo your opponent, the gauntlet in front of you, etc. Even if it's infinite playtime. Thus, you are playing to beat your opponent, to win. Regardless of fun, you always play to win.

Your argument:
I don't care what -you- play. If one of my friends wanted to play Infernities without Launchers, I'd call them stupid and tell them "You know you won't ever win without it, right?" If they said, "Yes." I'd just laugh and ignore it. I'd then proceed to pound them into oblivion. I'm not going to handicap myself because they want to weaken their own deck but I'm not going to force them to play what they don't want to play.

The same applies here.

Play what you want but, when you start trying to prove you're right about something. When you try to say X is better than Y and I believe the reverse? I'll talk circles around you and continue to do so.

Finally, what problems? I'm stating only a few things about -you-. The first and foremost is that you have no idea about the competitive field. You don't understand the finer tactics of that tier of play.

As for competitive players talking about your casual s**t, you have that issue right now. You post in this guild and the two or three players that are worth anything will likely look at your stuff, post, and laugh when you defend it without acknowledging that what they said is better than what you have, without stating that you're intentionally weakening the deck. You try acting superior to the competitive players and they laugh at you.

In your little group? No one cares about your little group except you kids. Your little group has no weight on the game as a whole and likely has about as much understanding about the competitive field of deck building as my sister... who doesn't play or care about this game.

Now I'll ask you a direct question... ahem...

Actually... there's nothing about you that I care to know about. You play casual, I play competitive. I care if a deck works against the other tiers, you don't. You intentionally weaken a deck to make sure others have a fair chance against you, I think that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard (I believe in forcing the other players to build stronger decks or play better by continuously beating them and offering advice). You think that all competitive players are scum, I recognize that it doesn't matter what they play a player is a person with a varying personality. To judge on their field of play is basically racism.

So, be sure to note, it's not because you play casual that I don't like you. It's your "to the dying breath!" attitude to defend that your casual decks are "good", when in reality they aren't.

I stopped arguing them because you would never be satisfied with any legitimate response I came up with or any counter argument I presented.

I never once said my casual decks were better than competitive decks. That's why there's a separation. I am saying that, in my opinion, my casual decks are more fun to play than your competitive decks.

Karakuri: When I said everyone sidedecks for Chimeratech Fortress, I referred to the fact that few decks actually maindeck Cyber Dragon just for the chance to use Fortress at the first opportunity. They either maindeck it because its a part of their strategy or because they needed a decent filler. Cyber Dragon can be stopped in a number of ways. You just don't seem to care about any of them enough to give it the time of day.

Playing to win: When I say "Play to have fun", I mean I play the Yugioh TCG to have fun. I do not play the Yugioh TCG as a whole to win over and over and over and over. You clearly misunderstood me. Individual duels I do play to win. But at the end of the day, winning or losing a duel is something I really don't care about.

My argument: I like my decks to be shared with the public, but then there are folks like yourself who ask me, despite me sharing the fact that I put in bold capitals that the deck is for fun, to add in cards that, in my personal opinion, would remove all of the challenge of playing that deck. Black Whirlwind lowers the challenge of the deck. Infernity Launcher lowers the challenge of the deck. Vayu the Emblem of Honor lowers the challenge of the deck. But people like you only care about winning. You don't care about being posed with a challenge. If you win, you win. You don't care about how easy the win was or how close the game was like I do. I hate winning against someone easily. I like to have a challenge. So I lower the quality of my deck so that challenge is there.

I hardly say X is better than Y. I say X is more FUN than Y, sure. But never that one deck is better than another with the exception of trying to make a point that, if X is better than Y, then, in my OPINION, Y is more fun than X. You're inclined to disagree, but to say I'm wrong is, well.. wrong.

I know plenty about the competitive field. Ask me, quiz me, do whatever you want. I know how to make a competitive deck. I know the ingredients. But I don't want to. Its not fun for me to make a deck that has already been made. Its not fun for me to make a deck that I know will not be fun for me to play. That's who I am.

I usually listen and consider to the advice of everyone who posts, taking extra note of those who are actually polite with their advice. I defend only when the concept of the deck would be otherwise compromised by suggestions stated and always politely at first unless the suggester is rude, inconsiderate, and/or otherwise cold.

My "little group" happens to make up a fair amount of people who frequent the Deck Database board. I know I like to bounce ideas off of Axean and Aka_Saiyaku all the time. I even get help from other members such as, as of recently, Fresh Porn. And they are all quite considerate to some degree or another.

I "Intentionally weaken my deck" so that I can have a challenge, test and practice my own skills as a player so that I can play any deck thrown at me instead of JUST the meta decks. I have more fun overcoming a tough challenge than winning every game as if the opponent had never played any cards ever. I don't think Competitive Players are scum. I think they are arrogant elitists who have their heads so far up their asses, they think anyone who DOESN'T play competitively isn't worthy to play against them. Reminds me a lot of the old days of Super Smash Bros. Melee when all of the competitive players ONLY played Fox and the ONLY stage they played on was Final Destination. BO-RING!

I'm not defending that my casual decks are good. I'm defending points that you have clearly not sufficiently understood and assume I'm that one creepy guy in the corner who plays the Princess deck in the pink Shoujo sleeves and rages every time he loses. That's not who I am. I am a player of this card game who prefers to challenge himself at the game he has played for almost a decade now. I have seen when Archfiends were Top Tier. I've seen the days of the true Chaos Decks. I was there when the first banlist was posted. I was the first guy in my local tournaments to even CONSIDER using Sakuretsu Armor when it was first released as a sufficient replacement for the Mirror Force I didn't have. I was the ONLY person in my local tournaments to have a playset of Dark Strike Fighter and ran the deck with my own version of the OTK. I defeated a competitive Lightsworn Deck back before Lightsworn was unrestricted with a Flip-Flop Rock deck.

Now. I don't know how much of what I have said you have assumed I have meant as fact, but the only true fact in everything I have said in this entire thread is this: Everything I have said in this thread, except for the last two paragraphs including this one, have been opinions. These two paragraphs are the only facts I have ever legitimately posted to my knowledge.  

[Gravitational Molestation]

"I have seen when Archfiends were Top Tier."
Never happened. Not once. Ever. That alone shows you have no idea what you're talking about in the competitive world.

You've had no legitimate arguments.

Again with the Cyber Dragon crap. You continue to ignore that Cyber Dragon will either bait one of your big traps that would stop an onslaught or will clear your field. I'll hit your Warning or your Bottomless and then destroy you with follow up or I'll Trap Stun/Cold Wave/MST you into the dust and clear the field anyway. Cyber Dragon, used for either CFD or as bait, is destructive enough to Karakuris that it will absolutely destroy the deck. This is only BECAUSE of the CFD aspect.

Gasp, there it is! You admitted you play to win! Oh s**t! So do I and I have fun win or lose! So wait... what's the difference between casual and competitive again? Oh right, you like to play weaker decks against other weaker decks. Wait, but you still play in tournaments... so you're still part of the competitive field... you just play bad decks in it.

The veil of difference between us is disappearing.

You are clearly misunderstanding a compelling need to win at all turns with a compelling need to play in a field of top tier play. Let me explain. When I play Chess, do I want to take the Queens off the board right away? No. They are part of the game. We will play with them until they are captured. Why would I take Launcher out of an Infernity deck when it is a known risk for the opponent? Why would I want my opponent to take it out when it is a known risk for me? Oh, I wouldn't. That added danger is far more challenging to play against, to plan and adequately prepare for than just playing in a field without it.

I'm not going to weaken myself to avoid easy wins, ever. Why? Because other people should simply get, gasp, better at the game! Sidedeck better, maindeck better, apply tactics better. I'm not going to weaken myself to be fair. I'm going to become that goal for the worse players. Keep learning, developing and asking questions until you can tangle with me. That's my objective. You will become better or I'll just keep beating up on you.

This isn't just a deck building frame of mind either. I've played people with tier one decks that had the natural advantage over mine. For example. My X-Sabers versus Dimensional Glads. I have a natural disadvantage game one due to the Dimensional Fissures. I still win. Why? I'm a better player. I bait, force, and utterly destroy the weaker player. I'll mirror match all day with exact deck replicas. I just know how to play better so I win.

You just admitted to running an OTK. Lawl for casual play.

Again though, Archfiends were never a tier one/zero. High tier two I'll give you. I had the deck, it was good for casual play but it wasn't tier one.

Your "little group" is still a "little group" that no one cares about in the grand scheme of things. And the people you listed, honestly, are just as bad as you are. I love Axean, I've talked to him every now and then but, he is not a competitive player.

Yawn, try again. I'm getting a little bored though, I might simply stop because you don't argue any points, ever. You say the same BS over and over again and force me to reword what I've already said... over and over again. It's a ridiculous cycle.

Oh, just for fun, because I was literally falling asleep at my keyboard typing this entry...

Explain the following items:
1) Honest vs Honest. Two Lightsworn players are duking it out, one Lyla attacks the enemy Lyla. Both have an Honest in hand and are at 1700. Who is going to win this duel?
2) Explain why Gorz is bad this format.
3) Explain why there was such a mass change between the TeleDADs that existed in the beginning of the TeleDAD format and the ones at the end.
4) Diamond Dude Turbo. Give me an example of the deck from the 50th Shonen Jump format. When Kris Perovic used DaD DDT to nab second at that tournament. Oh, take out the DaDs and put in two other monsters from his list. Then explain the very clear weakness in both DaD and Aryan DDT.
5) Lawl, explain what the term "aryan" means when in relation to YGO.
6) Do you know what the double rainbow all the way across actually means?

Well, I'm punch drunk tired, goodnight!  

[Sasori00923]

Gravitational Molestation

"I have seen when Archfiends were Top Tier."
Never happened. Not once. Ever. That alone shows you have no idea what you're talking about in the competitive world.

You've had no legitimate arguments.

Again with the Cyber Dragon crap. You continue to ignore that Cyber Dragon will either bait one of your big traps that would stop an onslaught or will clear your field. I'll hit your Warning or your Bottomless and then destroy you with follow up or I'll Trap Stun/Cold Wave/MST you into the dust and clear the field anyway. Cyber Dragon, used for either CFD or as bait, is destructive enough to Karakuris that it will absolutely destroy the deck. This is only BECAUSE of the CFD aspect.

Gasp, there it is! You admitted you play to win! Oh s**t! So do I and I have fun win or lose! So wait... what's the difference between casual and competitive again? Oh right, you like to play weaker decks against other weaker decks. Wait, but you still play in tournaments... so you're still part of the competitive field... you just play bad decks in it.

The veil of difference between us is disappearing.

You are clearly misunderstanding a compelling need to win at all turns with a compelling need to play in a field of top tier play. Let me explain. When I play Chess, do I want to take the Queens off the board right away? No. They are part of the game. We will play with them until they are captured. Why would I take Launcher out of an Infernity deck when it is a known risk for the opponent? Why would I want my opponent to take it out when it is a known risk for me? Oh, I wouldn't. That added danger is far more challenging to play against, to plan and adequately prepare for than just playing in a field without it.

I'm not going to weaken myself to avoid easy wins, ever. Why? Because other people should simply get, gasp, better at the game! Sidedeck better, maindeck better, apply tactics better. I'm not going to weaken myself to be fair. I'm going to become that goal for the worse players. Keep learning, developing and asking questions until you can tangle with me. That's my objective. You will become better or I'll just keep beating up on you.

This isn't just a deck building frame of mind either. I've played people with tier one decks that had the natural advantage over mine. For example. My X-Sabers versus Dimensional Glads. I have a natural disadvantage game one due to the Dimensional Fissures. I still win. Why? I'm a better player. I bait, force, and utterly destroy the weaker player. I'll mirror match all day with exact deck replicas. I just know how to play better so I win.

You just admitted to running an OTK. Lawl for casual play.

Again though, Archfiends were never a tier one/zero. High tier two I'll give you. I had the deck, it was good for casual play but it wasn't tier one.

Your "little group" is still a "little group" that no one cares about in the grand scheme of things. And the people you listed, honestly, are just as bad as you are. I love Axean, I've talked to him every now and then but, he is not a competitive player.

Yawn, try again. I'm getting a little bored though, I might simply stop because you don't argue any points, ever. You say the same BS over and over again and force me to reword what I've already said... over and over again. It's a ridiculous cycle.
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Sorry but I just can't resist...I support Pirate all the way, I'm not much of a competitive player but I'm not a stranger to competitive play, hell most of the decks I build are just random things to have fun with my friends, if I wanted a competitive deck I could build one,but I don't because I hate them and you know why, the number one reason why I hate competitive builds is because they are all copy/paste decks without a shred of originality

* Archfiends did hit top tier, I live in Puerto Rico and the Competitive scene bustled with them when I first started getting into the game, the only thing you could see was Archfiend decks at every tourny....

*You seem to think utilizing a trap for CyDra is bad, let me ask you this, how many cards do you think I can fit into a deck just to prevent HIM, or ANY OTHER MONSTER for that matter from hitting the field and/or remaining on it ?

I'll give you an example, BTH, Black Horn of Heaven, Horn of Heaven,Compulsory,PWWB, D-prison,Chaos Trap Hole,Solemn Warning/Judgment...now these are just some,yeah CFD screws Karakuri over, but here is the funniest thing it's an un-finished Archetype,and it already show promise with cards like Karakuri Klock,Karakuri Trick House and Karakuri Ninja a little bit of support and the right cards and who's to say that Karakuri couldn't show progress?

 

[Burakku_Kitsune]

"I would personally go for Karakuri's. Also if you like them play them. Why would you settle for a deck you like less.Kinda sucks the fun out of it.
Karakuri's are more interesting to play, and also imo slightly less developed. I don't think people have but a lot of thought into how many ways they can use the Karakuri's position switching powers."  

[Tsukinoki]

I run scraps and so far so good, since if you have like scrap beast and scrap storm and a scrap chimera in your deck its pretty much game. But then again they have their faults, such as their lack of swarming capabilities (excluding chimera and golem) but then again they don't really need it.

Karakuris i'm currently working on but i have yet to get a complete deck or even tested it, so i can't really help you there. But i do like it, to get rid of their low attack strength problem i'd run like 2 solidarities.

So my final decision for now would be Scraps, at least until i can test out a Krarkuri deck.  

[Fresh Porn]

Ok, can we please grow the ******** up, seriously.

@ Gravitational Molestation: Dishing insults only makes you look like a retarded no-self-esteem dipstick to people who read your posts. Stop trying to look cool over the internet and insulting people you don't even know on a personal basis. Stop Posting.
@Legendary Pirate Plasma: Stop posting.

The both of you have made your points and are now just reiterating s**t trying to make your E-Penises look bigger. Act like you actually have some self respect and shut up unless you have something NEW to add to the discussion beyond " Sucks because so and so can stop and I'll rape face because of this and that" and " Should be played because it's fun and not these or those".

Post a decklist.
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[Gravitational Molestation]

Fresh Porn: Why do I care about the opinions of others again?

Sasori: Oh noez, your ickle local liked Archfiends! Good thing they were never tier one.

You can side all you want for Cydra, go for it. Mash up your maindeck with a bunch of answers to a card that I'll side two of. See what happens when you have all those answers for Cydra but no answers for the rest of the engine. Oversiding is an idiot's mistake.

What you are also misunderstanding is that I am not saying countering Cyber Dragon is bad. I'm saying that Cyber Dragon forces Karakuris and Machina to use answers that will be needed in the future against the normal engine of their opponent. So, you one for oneing my Cydra with your Warning is awesome but that's one less Warning to stop my Debris plays. Or one less BTH for my GK plays, etc etc.

Cyber Dragon forces machine based decks to respond to its existance rather than save their defenses for other items.

See what I'm saying?