Mortok
I don't understand what you mean by 'general opinion', but I think it's fair to say that vague criticisms that won't help me to improve are a waste of my time.
Well, if I suggested a possibly better term to use instead of vampire, would that be considered a waste of time? Stuff like that is what I was trying to get at. I agree comments like "I like it! You're awesome!" or "I don't like it! It's stupid!" are a waste. But if someone suggested something that could be better, even though the story is fine as it was and there was no reasoning besides that they would like it better, I would at least considerate it.
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I am talking about all of those
and WF rules. So there.
Well, you didn't say that. So there.
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My point was that complete gibberish can be published and studied by professors of literature. My point was that people smarter than both of us broke 'the rules' pretty drastically, and succeeded.
Those professors must have been pretty bored to study a book about complete gibberish. That's what I would call a waste of time.
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You're assuming that people who 'break the rules' of grammar don't know what they're doing.
No, I'm assuming that people who don't do it well don't know what they're doing.
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As I said earlier in the thread, 'rules' is the wrong word. Grammar is a
tool to aid communication, it evolves, it's a lot more flexible than people think, and a lot of the older rules aren't really relevent. I don't know if you've ever taken the time to really listen to how people speak in real life, but a lot of the 'rules' of grammar do not accurately reflect the way people communicate today.
That's language, not necessarily grammar as a whole. Sentences will still always end with periods and fragments will always be incomplete sentences. Yes, words and meaning can change but the structure of writing can't change too drastically because it's made for
everyone to understand it.
That last part is about dialogue which varies depending on time, place, and people. But again, dialogue sentences still have periods, commas, and such when appropriate. However, I'll give you that it does have more room for creativity since both people and the spoken word aren't perfect.
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But it's not an author's job to teach children, or be a role model to them. That's why the criticisms are stupid. The author is not obligated to make sure that her work helps children learn spelling.
Yes, but if they are doing something that has a negative influence, even if it was unintentional, shouldn't they at least look into it? I mean, unless they really just don't care about children education.
It's like if you accidentally ran into an old lady and she ended up falling down the stairs. Wouldn't you feel at least something about it? Wouldn't you at least go check to see if she was alright? I mean, you didn't mean to push her down the stairs on purpose but it still happened because of you. At the very least, wouldn't you be more careful about watching where you're going next time? A bit of a drastic example, perhaps, but same concept.
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Alright, yes, fine. Conventions are useful.
For beginners. Sort of like training wheels.
Yes, exactly.
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I call people stupid when they can't back their s**t up.
I did everything I could to try and understand the opposing stance. I asked questions, I offered hypothetical scenarions, and I got no answers and no explanations. Nobody in here seems to be able to grasp the pretty simple abstract concepts that I tried to discuss. I've been accused of logical fallacies that I have not, in fact, made. I've gone round and round in circles trying to get a straight answer. I got nowhere, and I was insulted on top of that.
So yes, the Writer's Forum is starting to look pretty stupid to me.
But you, at least, seem to be making an effort at civility. So I'm willing to concede that you personally might not be an idiot.
I admit that I may have been out of bounds with that last comment and I apologize for that.
Just to be clear: I'm not trying to be rude or offensive at all. I just found myself disagreeing with some of your comments and tried to make my case. I understand your point of view on most things discussed, I just wanted to see how you would respond to mine.