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To start, if you're going to actually argue with someone who made said points, do fix your quote system so the information is going to the correct person. Makes you look less stupid. But since you decided to quote me rather than the person making actual arguments...



Startin' things off with a bit of Ad Hominem. This speaks volumes of your stance here.



Well obviously you have an attraction to said characters, enough so that you impose sexual qualities onto them. Remember, intent of audience /= intent of character design. I can draw a picture of, say, Joanna Dark stripping in front of aliens, but that doesn't change the character itself.



Which is all well and good. There does need to be attraction in order to like characters. Now, obviously when I say "attraction," I don't strictly mean sexual; rather, I'm more implying that there is depth to said characters that attract us to enjoy them. See "A Song of Ice and Fire"; the best characters have the most depth to them.



By attributing sexual qualities to said characters, however, you are doing just that; not looking at the character behind the body, but seeing the body. Its the straight porn issue; no one cares why the girl can't afford to pay for the pizza, the audience just wants to see her blow the deliver guy.



Male villains tend to be the most unoriginal characters in gaming. Ganondorf, for example, wants to take over Hyrule. But why? He wants power. Okay, cool, but why?

With female villains, however, their motives are fairly clear and drawn out. Cassandra De Vries (man I love using Perfect Dark as an example of powerful women in gaming) runs Datadyne, a defense contractor that is used as a front to stage global conquest through the use of the invading Skedar forces. At first she's on board, for the simple reason of the president contracting DataDyne for its defense capabilities, but then her usefulness to the Skedar (once they reach Earth en masse) results in her death.

Its not the most fleshed out backstory, but its certainly more than the Skedar villain has. They just want to kill s**t. Which is all well and good, but there's no real reason other than "well, its a stock alien race that wants to kill everything". Then there's Trent Easton. God I hate that backstory...in that there's none. He is the director of the NSA in the game, and attempts to use his influence to get a deep sea vessel to search for wreckage. Sure, the possibility of alien technology is there for both sides, but he's pretty expendable.

As for LGBTetc., I'm questioning the relevance of putting special emphasis in the fact they are LGBTetc. Not to make myself sound like a smug cis, but whether or not I like a character is not dependent on whether or not they are gay.



Well lets look at the score board



Well lets take a look.

First off, other media sources are irrelevant when we are discussing one form of media. So you lose those two points near the end, as they're more examples to reinforce said point rather than part of the actual argument, bringing it down to 6.5

"Sexualized but not sexual" is not a quality of the character itself, but rather of the audience, of which is relatively small, and surprise surprise, can also contain women. So you lose that point as well, bringing the total to 5.5

Stereotypes are rampant throughout all of gaming. In other words, it isn't exclusive to just women. I'll give you half on that one, bringing the total down to 5, due to the constant appearance of stereotypes in gaming. The Saints Row and Grand Theft Auto series are my references for this.

Weak characters are a byproduct of bad writing, and can happen to any character. As mentioned, Trent Easton is not a particularly strong character, whereas Cassandra De Vries is. In other words, its the importance of the character to the story, not necessarily its gender, that determines if a character is weak or not. So half point on that one, bringing the total to 4.5

As for the remainder, that will require more research on my part, so I can get back to you on that.

So, for the time being, the score is at a 4.5. Naturally, I can go into more detail on the points made, or if you have any counterarguments you'd like to make for my reasoning, feel free to do so. I'm expecting one for "sexualized but not sexual," though.



You'll need to be more specific on this one.

...At least 5? I mean, if its a non-issue, why even address it?



Startin' things off with a bit of Ad Hominem. This speaks volumes of your stance here.

No, it doesn't. I'm irate because I am not getting any responses that do anything to provide me with any info other than what I have already discussed and debunked. Taking the sentence 'seeing her tits jiggle' as a LITERAL SENTENCE is dense. I'm allowed to call someone out on being stupid if I've been called a sex negative feminazi ableist whatever.

And if you don't mind pointing out where I said "seeing her tits jiggle" (pro-tip: I didn't), or that I called you a "sex negative feminazi ableist whatever," (pro-tip: again, didn't), that'd be swell.



Well yes, but you are also speaking as if every female character is a air-headed bimbo with boobs the size of blimps and skirts so short they're nothing more than a thread. This simply isn't the case. So, I just blew back your blanket statement.



By admitting sexual attraction, you are doing just that.



Denial: not just a river in Egypt.



Yes, core concepts of character development. Want a medal?



If you could cite which games you're referring to, that would be greatly appreciated. There are multiple Morrigans after all. I'm assuming you're not referencing the Dragon Age Morrigan; you know, the one that is actually one of the better designed characters in the entire franchise?



Again, could you cite the game? Telling me single name character names with no reference does nothing to back your point.



Actually, the amount of unoriginal male characters to unoriginal female characters evens out quite nicely. Perhaps not a perfect 50-50 split (as there are more bland male characters than bland female characters), but pretty close.

Not to mention...you brought up male villains. Note the bold.



Nice; I show you a valid example of a strong female character and you pass it by as if it were nothing.

Of course, I can supply a plethora of strong female characters, if you would like.



A figure that you've pulled out your a**, once again, making your stance really weak here.



You did admit to being attracted to them.



So all they are is naked to you? Sick pervert. Look at the actual character, and not the body, after you're done polishing your precious pearl.



And that is part of his character. Your point?



Then present them.



Actually, it has little to do with me being right and more me calling you out on your bullshit argument approach.



Well actually, you're making a lot of assumptions on barely any interaction. So unless you're actually going to address anything I'm asking and actually keep the conversation civilized, rather than being a rabid she-demon, this conversation is over.

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