Truth Of The Vast Majority Of Mental Illnesses

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Depression occurs not because someone is trying too hard, but because they have an inability to make a decision, even with the death of a loved one the depression is sourced at the inability to accept the circumstances and move on.



The problem with using a scapegoat (Many mental illness claims) to transfer blame of a person to is not in favor of that person's self betterment, but instead in favor of those whom would come to profit from selling "Treatments" for it.

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Because this Youtube video said so.

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Because this Youtube video said so.

-_- No, the youtube video only makes use of collective factual data being compiled into a video bypassing the "Too long, didn't read" response and the necessity for the effort of READING and/or RESEARCHING I did research it myself, if you respond with criticism without doing such research yourself first, then your validity is automatically stripped by doing so. The funny thing here is that even the FDA admits to this data, so I definitely know by your response that you didn't do your research....... LOL

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neutral And Schizophrenia? And Bipolar? Borderline Personality Disorder? Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

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Most of them have alternative treatments based upon explanations outside of the ones that are widely accepted that have bore effective results.

Before understanding the treatments you have to understand how such mental illnesses were determined to be mantle illnesses as well as what exactly the "Treatments " are made of.

A person with bi-polar can be cured just through perception alteration therapy, it starts with altering the perception within the parts of their mind they are openly aware of while it works it's way effectively into their subconscious.

Schizophrenics used to be lobotomized as to treat them, psychiatry still hasn't transcended that far beyond their "Chemical Lobotomy" sales scheme. Anyhow, even people who were Schizophrenic have been cured. The greater cases of Schizophrenia have often been proclaimed to be possessions, anyhow the explanation for this can be found in barely explored fields that I feel it necessary to not go into at this moment. Within the so called possessions it is often claimed that a sort of field of energy envelopes the person proclaimed to be possessed, the person lashes out in complete repulsion to many religious icons, but funny thing is every documented event this happened on, the "Evil Spirit" "Possessing" the person would often remark to being someone who has died long before the person being "possessed" had actually been born, anyhow the same could be said for split personality disorder.

Anyhow, I only felt it necessary to mention the "possession" claims as believe it or not serious medical degrees do require some looking into such things as the explanations are especially under-developed aside from religious idiocy ignoring that atheists don't get "Possessed" and ignoring that even non Abrahamic religious icons are also lashed out on from time to time.

Some of these "Mental Illnesses" are simply variable forms of brain damage, most don't have scientific explanations but rather an explanation regarding what the perception of that person is and how their subconscious self works, and very few are simply sourced from questionable documentation and without modern scientific explanations for it.

Narcissistic personality disorder (Unlike Aspergers Syndrome) can not be determined until someone is at a considerably (Physically) matured age, this fact here is critical in pointing out how Narcissism has to do with a person's upbringing and environment and the contribution it has made to their perception and subconscious self.

Psychiatry is only seen as a respectable form of "Science" (By only some) because their hypothesis that such behavior is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain sounds scientific and is promoted quite often as fact regardless to the fact that there is no way to measure the chemical composition of the brain while it is still living and functioning. Many times has an effort been made to try and prove this conclusion correct however it fails each time.

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neutral And Schizophrenia? And Bipolar? Borderline Personality Disorder? Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

Most of them have alternative treatments based upon explanations outside of the ones that are widely accepted that have bore effective results.

Before understanding the treatments you have to understand how such mental illnesses were determined to be mantle illnesses as well as what exactly the "Treatments " are made of.

A person with bi-polar can be cured just through perception alteration therapy, it starts with altering the perception within the parts of their mind they are openly aware of while it works it's way effectively into their subconscious.

Schizophrenics used to be lobotomized as to treat them, psychiatry still hasn't transcended that far beyond their "Chemical Lobotomy" sales scheme. Anyhow, even people who were Schizophrenic have been cured. The greater cases of Schizophrenia have often been proclaimed to be possessions, anyhow the explanation for this can be found in barely explored fields that I feel it necessary to not go into at this moment. Within the so called possessions it is often claimed that a sort of field of energy envelopes the person proclaimed to be possessed, the person lashes out in complete repulsion to many religious icons, but funny thing is every documented event this happened on, the "Evil Spirit" "Possessing" the person would often remark to being someone who has died long before the person being "possessed" had actually been born, anyhow the same could be said for split personality disorder.

Anyhow, I only felt it necessary to mention the "possession" claims as believe it or not serious medical degrees do require some looking into such things as the explanations are especially under-developed aside from religious idiocy ignoring that atheists don't get "Possessed" and ignoring that even non Abrahamic religious icons are also lashed out on from time to time.

Some of these "Mental Illnesses" are simply variable forms of brain damage, most don't have scientific explanations but rather an explanation regarding what the perception of that person is and how their subconscious self works, and very few are simply sourced from questionable documentation and without modern scientific explanations for it.

Narcissistic personality disorder (Unlike Aspergers Syndrome) can not be determined until someone is at a considerably (Physically) matured age, this fact here is critical in pointing out how Narcissism has to do with a person's upbringing and environment and the contribution it has made to their perception and subconscious self.

Psychiatry is only seen as a respectable form of "Science" (By only some) because their hypothesis that such behavior is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain sounds scientific and is promoted quite often as fact regardless to the fact that there is no way to measure the chemical composition of the brain while it is still living and functioning. Many times has an effort been made to try and prove this conclusion correct however it fails each time.

So you don't believe that chemical imbalances play a part? Or that psychiatric medicine can control mental illness regardless of the cause, such as illicit drug use or abuse?

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neutral And Schizophrenia? And Bipolar? Borderline Personality Disorder? Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

Most of them have alternative treatments based upon explanations outside of the ones that are widely accepted that have bore effective results.

Before understanding the treatments you have to understand how such mental illnesses were determined to be mantle illnesses as well as what exactly the "Treatments " are made of.

A person with bi-polar can be cured just through perception alteration therapy, it starts with altering the perception within the parts of their mind they are openly aware of while it works it's way effectively into their subconscious.

Schizophrenics used to be lobotomized as to treat them, psychiatry still hasn't transcended that far beyond their "Chemical Lobotomy" sales scheme. Anyhow, even people who were Schizophrenic have been cured. The greater cases of Schizophrenia have often been proclaimed to be possessions, anyhow the explanation for this can be found in barely explored fields that I feel it necessary to not go into at this moment. Within the so called possessions it is often claimed that a sort of field of energy envelopes the person proclaimed to be possessed, the person lashes out in complete repulsion to many religious icons, but funny thing is every documented event this happened on, the "Evil Spirit" "Possessing" the person would often remark to being someone who has died long before the person being "possessed" had actually been born, anyhow the same could be said for split personality disorder.

Anyhow, I only felt it necessary to mention the "possession" claims as believe it or not serious medical degrees do require some looking into such things as the explanations are especially under-developed aside from religious idiocy ignoring that atheists don't get "Possessed" and ignoring that even non Abrahamic religious icons are also lashed out on from time to time.

Some of these "Mental Illnesses" are simply variable forms of brain damage, most don't have scientific explanations but rather an explanation regarding what the perception of that person is and how their subconscious self works, and very few are simply sourced from questionable documentation and without modern scientific explanations for it.

Narcissistic personality disorder (Unlike Aspergers Syndrome) can not be determined until someone is at a considerably (Physically) matured age, this fact here is critical in pointing out how Narcissism has to do with a person's upbringing and environment and the contribution it has made to their perception and subconscious self.

Psychiatry is only seen as a respectable form of "Science" (By only some) because their hypothesis that such behavior is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain sounds scientific and is promoted quite often as fact regardless to the fact that there is no way to measure the chemical composition of the brain while it is still living and functioning. Many times has an effort been made to try and prove this conclusion correct however it fails each time.

So you don't believe that chemical imbalances play a part? Or that psychiatric medicine can control mental illness regardless of the cause, such as illicit drug use or abuse?

Only as much as Alcohol, cocaine, weed and opium, numbing someone off in an area does not constitute as treatments. Besides, there is no scientific data supporting the conclusion of it being a chemical imbalance, ask for it and you won't get it, as it's only a hypothesis proven anything but correct.

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neutral And Schizophrenia? And Bipolar? Borderline Personality Disorder? Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

Most of them have alternative treatments based upon explanations outside of the ones that are widely accepted that have bore effective results.

Before understanding the treatments you have to understand how such mental illnesses were determined to be mantle illnesses as well as what exactly the "Treatments " are made of.

A person with bi-polar can be cured just through perception alteration therapy, it starts with altering the perception within the parts of their mind they are openly aware of while it works it's way effectively into their subconscious.

Schizophrenics used to be lobotomized as to treat them, psychiatry still hasn't transcended that far beyond their "Chemical Lobotomy" sales scheme. Anyhow, even people who were Schizophrenic have been cured. The greater cases of Schizophrenia have often been proclaimed to be possessions, anyhow the explanation for this can be found in barely explored fields that I feel it necessary to not go into at this moment. Within the so called possessions it is often claimed that a sort of field of energy envelopes the person proclaimed to be possessed, the person lashes out in complete repulsion to many religious icons, but funny thing is every documented event this happened on, the "Evil Spirit" "Possessing" the person would often remark to being someone who has died long before the person being "possessed" had actually been born, anyhow the same could be said for split personality disorder.

Anyhow, I only felt it necessary to mention the "possession" claims as believe it or not serious medical degrees do require some looking into such things as the explanations are especially under-developed aside from religious idiocy ignoring that atheists don't get "Possessed" and ignoring that even non Abrahamic religious icons are also lashed out on from time to time.

Some of these "Mental Illnesses" are simply variable forms of brain damage, most don't have scientific explanations but rather an explanation regarding what the perception of that person is and how their subconscious self works, and very few are simply sourced from questionable documentation and without modern scientific explanations for it.

Narcissistic personality disorder (Unlike Aspergers Syndrome) can not be determined until someone is at a considerably (Physically) matured age, this fact here is critical in pointing out how Narcissism has to do with a person's upbringing and environment and the contribution it has made to their perception and subconscious self.

Psychiatry is only seen as a respectable form of "Science" (By only some) because their hypothesis that such behavior is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain sounds scientific and is promoted quite often as fact regardless to the fact that there is no way to measure the chemical composition of the brain while it is still living and functioning. Many times has an effort been made to try and prove this conclusion correct however it fails each time.

So you don't believe that chemical imbalances play a part? Or that psychiatric medicine can control mental illness regardless of the cause, such as illicit drug use or abuse?

Only as much as Alcohol, cocaine, weed and opium, numbing someone off in an area does not constitute as treatments. Besides, there is no scientific data supporting the conclusion of it being a chemical imbalance, ask for it and you won't get it, as it's only a hypothesis proven anything but correct.

Yet, you've shown no proof of your own claims, eh? You're also forgetting that some medication increases the amount of dopamine to help those with depression. Miswirings like in schizophrenia isn't simply because "they don't know how to accept things and move on", that is a claim kept to depression and anxiety disorders.

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neutral And Schizophrenia? And Bipolar? Borderline Personality Disorder? Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

Most of them have alternative treatments based upon explanations outside of the ones that are widely accepted that have bore effective results.

Before understanding the treatments you have to understand how such mental illnesses were determined to be mantle illnesses as well as what exactly the "Treatments " are made of.

A person with bi-polar can be cured just through perception alteration therapy, it starts with altering the perception within the parts of their mind they are openly aware of while it works it's way effectively into their subconscious.

Schizophrenics used to be lobotomized as to treat them, psychiatry still hasn't transcended that far beyond their "Chemical Lobotomy" sales scheme. Anyhow, even people who were Schizophrenic have been cured. The greater cases of Schizophrenia have often been proclaimed to be possessions, anyhow the explanation for this can be found in barely explored fields that I feel it necessary to not go into at this moment. Within the so called possessions it is often claimed that a sort of field of energy envelopes the person proclaimed to be possessed, the person lashes out in complete repulsion to many religious icons, but funny thing is every documented event this happened on, the "Evil Spirit" "Possessing" the person would often remark to being someone who has died long before the person being "possessed" had actually been born, anyhow the same could be said for split personality disorder.

Anyhow, I only felt it necessary to mention the "possession" claims as believe it or not serious medical degrees do require some looking into such things as the explanations are especially under-developed aside from religious idiocy ignoring that atheists don't get "Possessed" and ignoring that even non Abrahamic religious icons are also lashed out on from time to time.

Some of these "Mental Illnesses" are simply variable forms of brain damage, most don't have scientific explanations but rather an explanation regarding what the perception of that person is and how their subconscious self works, and very few are simply sourced from questionable documentation and without modern scientific explanations for it.

Narcissistic personality disorder (Unlike Aspergers Syndrome) can not be determined until someone is at a considerably (Physically) matured age, this fact here is critical in pointing out how Narcissism has to do with a person's upbringing and environment and the contribution it has made to their perception and subconscious self.

Psychiatry is only seen as a respectable form of "Science" (By only some) because their hypothesis that such behavior is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain sounds scientific and is promoted quite often as fact regardless to the fact that there is no way to measure the chemical composition of the brain while it is still living and functioning. Many times has an effort been made to try and prove this conclusion correct however it fails each time.

So you don't believe that chemical imbalances play a part? Or that psychiatric medicine can control mental illness regardless of the cause, such as illicit drug use or abuse?

Only as much as Alcohol, cocaine, weed and opium, numbing someone off in an area does not constitute as treatments. Besides, there is no scientific data supporting the conclusion of it being a chemical imbalance, ask for it and you won't get it, as it's only a hypothesis proven anything but correct.

Yet, you've shown no proof of your own claims, eh? You're also forgetting that some medication increases the amount of dopamine to help those with depression. Miswirings like in schizophrenia isn't simply because "they don't know how to accept things and move on", that is a claim kept to depression and anxiety disorders.

Yes but ignoring the increase of suicidal tendencies for those so called anti-depressants isn't doing any good for your claim either nor is ignoring that I stated brain damage having more than the effects like that of retardation.

Anyhow, I guess I'll take my checkmate now!

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neutral And Schizophrenia? And Bipolar? Borderline Personality Disorder? Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

Most of them have alternative treatments based upon explanations outside of the ones that are widely accepted that have bore effective results.

Before understanding the treatments you have to understand how such mental illnesses were determined to be mantle illnesses as well as what exactly the "Treatments " are made of.

A person with bi-polar can be cured just through perception alteration therapy, it starts with altering the perception within the parts of their mind they are openly aware of while it works it's way effectively into their subconscious.

Schizophrenics used to be lobotomized as to treat them, psychiatry still hasn't transcended that far beyond their "Chemical Lobotomy" sales scheme. Anyhow, even people who were Schizophrenic have been cured. The greater cases of Schizophrenia have often been proclaimed to be possessions, anyhow the explanation for this can be found in barely explored fields that I feel it necessary to not go into at this moment. Within the so called possessions it is often claimed that a sort of field of energy envelopes the person proclaimed to be possessed, the person lashes out in complete repulsion to many religious icons, but funny thing is every documented event this happened on, the "Evil Spirit" "Possessing" the person would often remark to being someone who has died long before the person being "possessed" had actually been born, anyhow the same could be said for split personality disorder.

Anyhow, I only felt it necessary to mention the "possession" claims as believe it or not serious medical degrees do require some looking into such things as the explanations are especially under-developed aside from religious idiocy ignoring that atheists don't get "Possessed" and ignoring that even non Abrahamic religious icons are also lashed out on from time to time.

Some of these "Mental Illnesses" are simply variable forms of brain damage, most don't have scientific explanations but rather an explanation regarding what the perception of that person is and how their subconscious self works, and very few are simply sourced from questionable documentation and without modern scientific explanations for it.

Narcissistic personality disorder (Unlike Aspergers Syndrome) can not be determined until someone is at a considerably (Physically) matured age, this fact here is critical in pointing out how Narcissism has to do with a person's upbringing and environment and the contribution it has made to their perception and subconscious self.

Psychiatry is only seen as a respectable form of "Science" (By only some) because their hypothesis that such behavior is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain sounds scientific and is promoted quite often as fact regardless to the fact that there is no way to measure the chemical composition of the brain while it is still living and functioning. Many times has an effort been made to try and prove this conclusion correct however it fails each time.

So you don't believe that chemical imbalances play a part? Or that psychiatric medicine can control mental illness regardless of the cause, such as illicit drug use or abuse?

Only as much as Alcohol, cocaine, weed and opium, numbing someone off in an area does not constitute as treatments. Besides, there is no scientific data supporting the conclusion of it being a chemical imbalance, ask for it and you won't get it, as it's only a hypothesis proven anything but correct.

Yet, you've shown no proof of your own claims, eh? You're also forgetting that some medication increases the amount of dopamine to help those with depression. Miswirings like in schizophrenia isn't simply because "they don't know how to accept things and move on", that is a claim kept to depression and anxiety disorders.

Yes but ignoring the increase of suicidal tendencies for those so called anti-depressants isn't doing any good for your claim either nor is ignoring that I stated brain damage having more than the effects like that of retardation.

Anyhow, I guess I'll take my checkmate now!

Read This Article!

Should probably put that in your OP, dude. And usually people will ask for more than one. I was bored, that's why I'm still here, but you haven't told me about "curing" Schizophrenia yet.

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So you don't believe that chemical imbalances play a part? Or that psychiatric medicine can control mental illness regardless of the cause, such as illicit drug use or abuse?

Only as much as Alcohol, cocaine, weed and opium, numbing someone off in an area does not constitute as treatments. Besides, there is no scientific data supporting the conclusion of it being a chemical imbalance, ask for it and you won't get it, as it's only a hypothesis proven anything but correct.

Yet, you've shown no proof of your own claims, eh? You're also forgetting that some medication increases the amount of dopamine to help those with depression. Miswirings like in schizophrenia isn't simply because "they don't know how to accept things and move on", that is a claim kept to depression and anxiety disorders.

Yes but ignoring the increase of suicidal tendencies for those so called anti-depressants isn't doing any good for your claim either nor is ignoring that I stated brain damage having more than the effects like that of retardation.

Anyhow, I guess I'll take my checkmate now!

Read This Article!

Should probably put that in your OP, dude. And usually people will ask for more than one. I was bored, that's why I'm still here, but you haven't told me about "curing" Schizophrenia yet.

LOL, if I place too much into the opening argument then I can't put psychotropic drug advocates in their place. They are the primary source of misinformation and need just that.

Anyhow, yest true, but right now it is 1:00 in the morning where I am, mental energy takes sleep to accumulate.

Anyhow, the cure of schizophrenia depends on the type of schizophrenia, it differs for each whom has it.

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I find it quite ironic that you're citing, in an effort to try and show how mental illness is scientifically unsound and profit-driven, a "licensed accupuncturist" who thinks Traditional Chinese Medicine is the bees kneess and incidentally praises the Institute for Functional Medicine, which has a history of weight loss scams and civil liability to the FTC.

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I find it quite ironic that you're citing, in an effort to try and show how mental illness is scientifically unsound and profit-driven, a "licensed accupuncturist" who thinks Traditional Chinese Medicine is the bees kneess and incidentally praises the Institute for Functional Medicine, which has a history of weight loss scams and civil liability to the FTC.

The point is not regarding what he uses the data to sell. I can say that the my mom's muffins are tasty and therefore unhealthy, but that does not automatically make it so. I was tired as can plainly be seen from words in my posts and therefore limited my search time. Now I post yet another.

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In conclusion I ask a question, what causes a hard drive to crash, the content stored on it (Compare to thoughts running through the mind), or how well it is built (Compare to what the human brain is comprised of)?

Well a hard drive will inevitably fail at one point or another, and sooner if it is built poorly, regardless the content on it does indeed have an effect. The human mind is much like this, however it ISN'T something man made that can be understood so easily, therefore pointing fingers to there being flaws of how it is "built" rather than how well it is taken care of or what data is held within it is pretty flawed. There are these things supported by ACTUAL science called amino acids and vitamins, you really should research them.

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I'll see your articles from:

- an acupuncturist's website

- a blog from some guy with anxiety turned psychology student

- the website of a campaign launched by an advocacy group established by the Church of Scientology

- a nonprofit organization with a vested interest in your position


and raise you a real study from real doctors using real science in a real peer-reviewed journal published just last year, by people who actually work in the field. And if you're still interested, the "Related Articles" shows articles from journals all over the world that have found the same thing.

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The point is not regarding what he uses the data to sell.

The point is that it's very dubious whether he's presenting the data accurately in the first place.

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The Scientific Basis For The Chemical Imbalance Claim Is Fraudulent

This doesn't say that. Did you even read it?
Also, why are you citing non-credentialed blogs now?

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This is just a handful of quotes with no context. Also, these quotes are specifically about ADHD. That's a very far cry from saying that "chemical imbalance" to explain mental illness in general is bunk.

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1) These are popular press articles, not "data." Real data would be in the peer-reviewed literature, which you have not cited once.
2) More of these are about misleading depression treatment ads and mis-prescribed anti-depressants than about the underlying cause, the ones that touch on chemical imablance as a mechanism don't actually prove it false, and even there the articles are careful to point out that serotonin-based treatments do seem to work somehow.

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There are these things supported by ACTUAL science called amino acids and vitamins, you really should research them.

The only dietary vitamin/mineral supplements with proven efficacy [edit: and not even for the treatment of mental health issues, but just general physical well-being] are (as far as I remember) calcium and D, most other supplemental vitamins (either taken by themselves or through diet) are passed out through your urine as waste. The average American diet is not deficient in vitamins, calcium, or amino acids. Also it seems to me that if you want to argue that psychological problems can be traced back to amino acids and vitamins, this actually vindicates the idea of chemical imbalances being the root cause. Or do you think these chemicals behave in a non-chemical way?