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Keltoi Samurai
"I am in immediate and pressing danger of bodily harm?"
overestimated the intelligence of the average woman, or you just think women aren't very bright.

Have you ever been to jail? If so you would understand that there is also immediate and pressing danger of bodily harm there.
Again, I get that you like to assume but maybe you could take the time to reread that carefully this time and see that I also mentioned men.


"immunity for victimization" is a bad plan, whether applied universally or not.

for some reason, I have a hard time, though, imagining you'd support immunity for a man beaten by his wife and who had a large collection of kiddie porn, let's say.

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Keltoi Samurai

In your mind, sure. I just deem it unnecessary to add that stress to a man or woman who's trying to get out of a circumstance.
Haha, it seems like people like you always turn to the ***** angle. No, I could give two ******** less about men with child porn. They get shot? Who cares. Their wife beats them? Yeah, I don't care. Because ***** are some of the scourge of the Earth. And if you disagree, again, I could care less that you think that "Child molesters and ***** are people to!" lol

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Keltoi Samurai

In your mind, sure. I just deem it unnecessary to add that stress to a man or woman who's trying to get out of a circumstance.
Haha, it seems like people like you always turn to the ***** angle. No, I could give two ******** less about men with child porn. They get shot? Who cares. Their wife beats them? Yeah, I don't care. Because ***** are some of the scourge of the Earth. And if you disagree, again, I could care less that you think that "Child molesters and ***** are people to!" lol


and just what do you mean by "people like me?"

though, thank you for confirming that you in fact would not be against them being checked and arrested, even if they were a victim of domestic violence.

now, let's scale it back a bit: what about a man who had a warrant for felony hit-and-run? should he get immunity because his wife beat him?

Romantic Shapeshifter

and once again im going to say im so glad i live in canada
this law is stupid

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Keltoi Samurai

I mean people who take things to the extreme. If perhaps you said "Should a man get the same immunity as a woman if say he has a dui" sure! He definitely should. But now that we're comparing ***** to a speeding ticket. If you could manage to keep this in the realm of reality I could perhaps take you seriously.

Sexy Assailant

And what happens if they get the ticket shortly before they get ensnared by the abuser? Not all Abusers let their 'signficant other' just walk out the door and talk with the cops.

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"This is going to deter victims of domestic violence . . . They’re going to be scared to come forward.”
^ This. It seems ludicrous to me that a woman seeking help would instead get more s**t for - say - an unpaid ticket.


why should she have to worry, unless she's done something wrong?

Remember that ticket you got for going 50 in a 45, two years ago? Yeah, it sucks that your boyfriend hits you but we're going to have to arrest you.
** Also - know that most of the things that you respond I am talking with a very small grain of salt.


well, maybe she should have paid that ticket.

why give her immunity for her crimes because of someone else's crimes against her? the way you talk, it's like you think being a victim should be a get-out-of-jail-free card.

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Lidke
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I'm sorry, was that intended for me or the other guy?

Sexy Assailant

I quoted Keltoi Samurai directly. Not sure why it would go to you.

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Lidke
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I'm sorry, was that intended for me or the other guy?

Kawaii Cutie-Pie

Eh, I see nothing particularly wrong with this as long as they're not arresting someone for having an unpaid ticket before the deadline is up. Normally passing the deadline on an unpaid ticket results in a night in jail plus a suspended license, so the only difference here is that you're landing in jail through a background check as opposed to a court order.

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Lidke
I quoted Keltoi Samurai directly. Not sure why it would go to you.

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Lidke
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I'm sorry, was that intended for me or the other guy?

It might just be on my computer but your quote trees are very messed up. It quoted me, him, and your quotes are above that.

Sexy Assailant

Looks fine on my end. I am using IE9.

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Lidke
I quoted Keltoi Samurai directly. Not sure why it would go to you.

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Lidke
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I'm sorry, was that intended for me or the other guy?

It might just be on my computer but your quote trees are very messed up. It quoted me, him, and your quotes are above that.

Alien Dog

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Keltoi Samurai

I mean people who take things to the extreme. If perhaps you said "Should a man get the same immunity as a woman if say he has a dui" sure! He definitely should. But now that we're comparing ***** to a speeding ticket. If you could manage to keep this in the realm of reality I could perhaps take you seriously.


you misunderstood, then. my apologies for not being clearer: I was merely establishing that there is a limit to what you believe makes one a victim first-and-foremost, and what makes one a criminal first and a victim second.

that question was intentionally extreme, because we have to find if there is an upper limit to what qualifies one as a victim first. if you had responded that the man in possession of child pornography* was entitled to the same immunity as anyone else for being victimized, then I'd've known, due to the extremity of the test case, that your view towards the sanctity of victim immunity was absolute.

the fact that you do acknowledge a limit to victimhood, though, leads me to question just where that cutoff exists.

so, again, I would ask: the battered individual who is wanted for felony hit-and-run, are they a victim first, or does their crime outweigh the crime committed against them?




*there is a reason I named a specific act, rather than your more generic dismissal of calling them ***** and moving on. "*****," of course, is a psychological diagnosis, rather than a crime. the crime occurs when the individual acts on their impulses, and due to the nature of sex crimes in general, namely the fact that they are about power dynamics rather than desire, and that ***** is about unnatural desires, rather than acts of power and dominance, the two are really only tangentially related. so, while a ***** is obviously not someone to trust with children, they are also not inherently criminals unless they have acted on their urges in some way.

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Lidke
Looks fine on my end. I am using IE9.

Oh, that would be why. I'm on the latest FireFox. Yeah, your quotes are wonky on this browser and on Google Chrome.

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Lidke
And what happens if they get the ticket shortly before they get ensnared by the abuser? Not all Abusers let their 'signficant other' just walk out the door and talk with the cops.

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"This is going to deter victims of domestic violence . . . They’re going to be scared to come forward.”
^ This. It seems ludicrous to me that a woman seeking help would instead get more s**t for - say - an unpaid ticket.


why should she have to worry, unless she's done something wrong?

Remember that ticket you got for going 50 in a 45, two years ago? Yeah, it sucks that your boyfriend hits you but we're going to have to arrest you.
** Also - know that most of the things that you respond I am talking with a very small grain of salt.


well, maybe she should have paid that ticket.

why give her immunity for her crimes because of someone else's crimes against her? the way you talk, it's like you think being a victim should be a get-out-of-jail-free card.


I'd need to see wording in the law that lends toward the interpretation that such would warrant an arrest and charges, because my understanding was that only unpaid tickets were considered a crime, here, not merely tickets that are not yet due to be paid.

and, as unpaid tickets do lead to the issuance of a warrant, the reference to it kinda struck me as just a hyperbolic way of saying "if you call the police while an existing warrant is out for your arrest, the police will serve that warrant when they respond to your call."

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