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wahmbulance Disclaimer: This thread was written in total honesty and will not be like the usual "prose-filled" topics that are normally in the ED. It is written in simple terms by a regular, everyday, average joe with a scattered mind and biased viewpoints (although one could argue that there is no such thing as an unbiased viewpoint). Yes, generalizations will be made. It happens. Either educate the OP or shut up and deal with it. wahmbulance
I was traipsing around youtube and stumbled onto this random video. If you choose to watch it, I request that you watch it all the way through and listen objectively to what is being said, without being blinded by emotions:
The video got me wondering who is really right? And in light of all these different "factions", what does that make me, personally?
On both sides they're always saying the other is bad/evil in some way. Feminists say men are the rapey oppressors, MRAs say Feminists don't want equality, only dominance, and in so doing are evil. MGTOWs seem to be the ones who just say "******** it, I'm out", and, to my understanding, Egalitarians are the only ones who seem to want everyone to get along and treat each other fairly.
Anyway, my thought process on...er.....all of "this" (makes wide sweeping gestures with hands to indicate all factions and gender issues but is ultimately confused), goes something like this:
I'm not a rapist, and I'm not an oppressor.
The more I learn, the more I see/notice women getting nervous when I'm around. In real life I'm a really quiet guy who keeps to himself. But when I'm at school, or on my way to/from school, women get all nervous when they see me, and I can't help but ask myself "do they really think that about me....?" They could be having the best day of their lives, laughing as if they just won the lottery, but as soon as they see me, they quiet down and quickly walk past me. It feels horrible, made worse by the fact that it could also be due to race (I'm black, not the PC "African-American, ******** BLACK).
Not to mention all the times I hear of, or see, feminists shouting about how women need to protect themselves from the "Male Menace" or reading posts about how "All men should just die", talking about how I'm an oppressor or a rapist or *insert thing synonymous with pure evil here* simply because I happen to have been born with a d**k. Which makes me wonder how they feel about women born with dicks or men born with vaginas (transgender? ). I don't want to harm women, even though they might think otherwise, I'm not a dangerous person unless you physically attack me or my loved ones, I do, in fact, want equality between the genders, within reason (meaning I don't want any equality of the "fairy tale" variety where everyone gets along and there are no problems ever, because it doesn't ******** exist), and for God's sake, I am not a rapist.
And for my part, I don't hate women in the slightest. I love women. I like hanging out with them and laughing with them and generally being friends with them. Hell, I usually have more meaningful conversations with them than with other dudes, and I love mentally stimulating and emotionally deep conversations. I don't think they're inherently evil, I don't blame them for my problems, and I know for a fact that there are still a few people out there, not just women, who actually have morals and strong principles that they live by. I love how women can look so beautiful, I love their capacity to love so strongly and I'd like to meet that special someone someday and actually be happy. But with the way things appear to be going, it looks like that will never happen.
This is, in part, the fault of MRAs. To be sure, being labelled as a rapist and needing to be more and more careful of ones interactions with the opposite sex will make things difficult, but the MRAs are the ones who put all those horror stories out there of men being cheated on, divorced, and having everything they ever worked for taken away from them, on top of their children possibly not even being theirs in the first place.
I know that things like infidelity can happen in any relationship, from either person, but the things I've heard, as well as the things I've seen and experienced in real life make me think that I will never have anyone who truly loves me for as long as I live. It seems as though there is no one I will ever be able to trust, and literally everyone on earth is out to get me (this is also due to how my life has been; I naturally distrust people from my experiences, but all of this makes it much worse). And in the end, all I can do is become successful for no one else but myself, and live out my years in solitude as the different factions continue to lob slanderbombs at each other.
It's all so confusing and pisses me off to no end. I'm just going to do what I want to do with my life, and the hell with anyone who thinks I'm sexist or white-knighting or being oppressive or being unequal or less than PC or anything the hell else, because in the end, playing nice will get me nowhere. All of the conflicting viewpoints swirl around in my head and I don't know what's right or wrong, real or false, so I feel like my only option is to make my own reality where only I decide what's right for me, what's real for me, what makes ME happy and no one else. It all seems so callous and lonely, but what other choice do I have?
And yeah, I realize this all seems like the rambling of a crazy person, probably written in blood and bile on the walls of a padded room somewhere, but dammit, the world is making me crazy right now and I've gotten sick and tired of all of it.
So what about you? What the ******** do I do, ED? Who is right? Who is wrong? Or are they ALL wrong?
In any case, allow these pictures to give you a small taste of my mental state right now:
I was traipsing around youtube and stumbled onto this random video. If you choose to watch it, I request that you watch it all the way through and listen objectively to what is being said, without being blinded by emotions:
The video got me wondering who is really right? And in light of all these different "factions", what does that make me, personally?
On both sides they're always saying the other is bad/evil in some way. Feminists say men are the rapey oppressors, MRAs say Feminists don't want equality, only dominance, and in so doing are evil. MGTOWs seem to be the ones who just say "******** it, I'm out", and, to my understanding, Egalitarians are the only ones who seem to want everyone to get along and treat each other fairly.
Anyway, my thought process on...er.....all of "this" (makes wide sweeping gestures with hands to indicate all factions and gender issues but is ultimately confused), goes something like this:
I'm not a rapist, and I'm not an oppressor.
The more I learn, the more I see/notice women getting nervous when I'm around. In real life I'm a really quiet guy who keeps to himself. But when I'm at school, or on my way to/from school, women get all nervous when they see me, and I can't help but ask myself "do they really think that about me....?" They could be having the best day of their lives, laughing as if they just won the lottery, but as soon as they see me, they quiet down and quickly walk past me. It feels horrible, made worse by the fact that it could also be due to race (I'm black, not the PC "African-American, ******** BLACK).
Not to mention all the times I hear of, or see, feminists shouting about how women need to protect themselves from the "Male Menace" or reading posts about how "All men should just die", talking about how I'm an oppressor or a rapist or *insert thing synonymous with pure evil here* simply because I happen to have been born with a d**k. Which makes me wonder how they feel about women born with dicks or men born with vaginas (transgender? ). I don't want to harm women, even though they might think otherwise, I'm not a dangerous person unless you physically attack me or my loved ones, I do, in fact, want equality between the genders, within reason (meaning I don't want any equality of the "fairy tale" variety where everyone gets along and there are no problems ever, because it doesn't ******** exist), and for God's sake, I am not a rapist.
And for my part, I don't hate women in the slightest. I love women. I like hanging out with them and laughing with them and generally being friends with them. Hell, I usually have more meaningful conversations with them than with other dudes, and I love mentally stimulating and emotionally deep conversations. I don't think they're inherently evil, I don't blame them for my problems, and I know for a fact that there are still a few people out there, not just women, who actually have morals and strong principles that they live by. I love how women can look so beautiful, I love their capacity to love so strongly and I'd like to meet that special someone someday and actually be happy. But with the way things appear to be going, it looks like that will never happen.
This is, in part, the fault of MRAs. To be sure, being labelled as a rapist and needing to be more and more careful of ones interactions with the opposite sex will make things difficult, but the MRAs are the ones who put all those horror stories out there of men being cheated on, divorced, and having everything they ever worked for taken away from them, on top of their children possibly not even being theirs in the first place.
I know that things like infidelity can happen in any relationship, from either person, but the things I've heard, as well as the things I've seen and experienced in real life make me think that I will never have anyone who truly loves me for as long as I live. It seems as though there is no one I will ever be able to trust, and literally everyone on earth is out to get me (this is also due to how my life has been; I naturally distrust people from my experiences, but all of this makes it much worse). And in the end, all I can do is become successful for no one else but myself, and live out my years in solitude as the different factions continue to lob slanderbombs at each other.
It's all so confusing and pisses me off to no end. I'm just going to do what I want to do with my life, and the hell with anyone who thinks I'm sexist or white-knighting or being oppressive or being unequal or less than PC or anything the hell else, because in the end, playing nice will get me nowhere. All of the conflicting viewpoints swirl around in my head and I don't know what's right or wrong, real or false, so I feel like my only option is to make my own reality where only I decide what's right for me, what's real for me, what makes ME happy and no one else. It all seems so callous and lonely, but what other choice do I have?
And yeah, I realize this all seems like the rambling of a crazy person, probably written in blood and bile on the walls of a padded room somewhere, but dammit, the world is making me crazy right now and I've gotten sick and tired of all of it.
So what about you? What the ******** do I do, ED? Who is right? Who is wrong? Or are they ALL wrong?
In any case, allow these pictures to give you a small taste of my mental state right now:
