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Raising Children Without Religion May Be A Better Alternative, Suggests New Research

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Gone are the days of the unyielding God-fearing mother as the archetype of good parenting, suggests a recent article from the Los Angeles Times. According to multiple reports, research has shown that secular upbringings may be healthier for children, who, according to a 2010 Duke University study, display less susceptibility to racism and peer pressure, and are “less vengeful, less nationalistic, less militaristic, less authoritarian, and more tolerant, on average, than religious adults.” But the list of benefits doesn’t stop there, says the Times.

Citing Pew Research, the Times’ Phil Zuckerman notes that there’s been a recent spike in American households who categorize themselves as “Nones” for their religious affiliation to “nothing in particular.” According to Zuckerman, modern non-religious adults account for 23 percent of Americans, while as early as the ’50s that figure was only 4 percent. And with Godlessness on the rise, researchers have begun analyzing the benefits of nonreligious child rearing more closely.

“Far from being dysfunctional, nihilistic and rudderless without the security and rectitude of religion,” writes Zuckerman, “secular households provide a sound and solid foundation for children, according to Vern Bengston, a USC professor of gerontology and sociology.” Bengston oversees an ongoing study called the Longitudinal Study of Generations, the largest study of families and their religious affiliations in America. After noticing an uptick in nonreligious households, Bengston added secularism to his study in 2013. “Many nonreligious parents were more coherent and passionate about their ethical principles than some of the ‘religious’ parents in our study,” said Bengston in an interview with Zuckerman. “The vast majority appeared to live goal-filled lives characterized by moral direction and sense of life having a purpose.”

“For secular people, morality is predicated on one simple principle: empathetic reciprocity, widely known as the Golden Rule. Treating other people as you would like to be treated. It is an ancient, universal ethical imperative. And it requires no supernatural beliefs.”
And check this out: according to Zuckerman, atheists “were almost absent from our prison population as of the late 1990s,” accounting for less than half of one percent of inmates according to reports by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. “This echoes what the criminology field has documented for more than a century,” he writes, “the unaffiliated and the nonreligious engage in far fewer crimes.”

Additionally, a troublesome report from BBC last year found that religious children were less likely than their non-religious peers to distinguish fantasy from reality, based on a study conducted by Boston University. Presented with realistic, religious, and fantastical stories, children were then asked whether they thought the story was real or fictional. Researchers found that “[c]hildren with a religious upbringing tended to view the protagonists in religious stories as real, whereas children from non-religious households saw them as fictional.” And why is this problematic? Because it muddies the waters of a child’s differentiation between reality and fiction, says the study, and even the spiritual from the fantastical.

“For secular people, morality is predicated on one simple principle: empathetic reciprocity, widely known as the Golden Rule. Treating other people as you would like to be treated,” writes Zuckerman. “It is an ancient, universal ethical imperative. And it requires no supernatural beliefs.”


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I find this very interesting. I personally have always believed that a secular household was the way of the future.

Fanatical Zealot

I was hoping it would be along the lines of "allowing children to choose their own religion and be exposed to it as their own choice, rather than being forced to believe in something at birth", but now it seems to be trying to force atheism on people, rather than secular. Being secular is not allowing religion to dictate the way someone acts or is, instead relying more on logic or a basic since of morality, rather than a religious one, for doing things.

Those who identify as atheists make up around .5% of the population, so it's not surprising they make up about .5% of those in prison. Non-religious, secular, and atheism are all separate things. You can do things in a secular manner and still be religious, in fact.

Additionally, a troublesome report from BBC last year found that religious children were less likely than their non-religious peers to distinguish fantasy from reality, based on a study conducted by Boston University. Presented with realistic, religious, and fantastical stories, children were then asked whether they thought the story was real or fictional. Researchers found that “[c]hildren with a religious upbringing tended to view the protagonists in religious stories as real, whereas children from non-religious households saw them as fictional.”

This automatically assumes that the information is fictional, so for people who do believe in the religion and don't believe it's fictional, then of course they won't see it as fictional, even if the creators of the study do (This just in, everyone not in my religion more likely to believe fictional stuff...).



Not to mention, half the proposed benefits really aren't that beneficial at all, it just seems like political bias.

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Suicidesoldier#1

This automatically assumes that the information is fictional.


Because it was fictional

All the stories they were told was the same just replacing the "Plot Device"

So religious was God giving Weather warnings Fantastical was using magic to predict the Weather and Realistic was having skills in Weather forecasting

religious kids thought religious and Fantastical was fact
While not religious kids did not

that actual issue was believing the Fantastical stories were real not religious (because as you noted No s**t they would think that)
Great news.
Wait a minute, "children [are] 'less vengeful, less nationalistic, less militaristic, less authoritarian, and more tolerant, on average, than [...] adults.'"
Well, that was unexpected.
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Wait a minute, "children [are] 'less vengeful, less nationalistic, less militaristic, less authoritarian, and more tolerant, on average, than [...] adults.'"
Well, that was unexpected.


Well, less vengeful EXCEPT for whenever they find themselves in a Two Minute Hate on social media trying to ruin somebody's life. Justine Sacco is just one example of many.

Not vengeful... until they are!

More tolerant... until they aren't!

Less authoritarian... Until you display Bad Person Thoughts!

Why is it that these less authoritarian people are demanding such draconian speech codes on college campuses?
You guys are being too vague and generalizing, if you want to be somewhat accurate actually look at the actual study.
Suicidesoldier#1
Those who identify as atheists make up around .5% of the population, so it's not surprising they make up about .5% of those in prison..

Sources vary, but the lowball figure for the number of ateists in the U.S was 2.4% in 2007 from Pew research. Gallup estimates it at about 5-6%. And that's not .5% of the prison population, it's 0.2% So atheists are conservatively one tenth as represented in prisons as you would expect by blind chance.

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"May be"?

I find the prospect of not brainwashing children to believe in an imaginary sky daddy to be quite definitely a superior alternative.
Divine_Malevolence
"May be"?

I find the prospect of not brainwashing children to believe in an imaginary sky daddy to be quite definitely a superior alternative.


Yeah, not when we have the real Sun Father, President Obama. Why look to heaven when we've already got a god here on Earth?

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Suicidesoldier#1
Those who identify as atheists make up around .5% of the population, so it's not surprising they make up about .5% of those in prison..

Sources vary, but the lowball figure for the number of ateists in the U.S was 2.4% in 2007 from Pew research. Gallup estimates it at about 5-6%. And that's not .5% of the prison population, it's 0.2% So atheists are conservatively one tenth as represented in prisons as you would expect by blind chance.


Because the U.S. doesn't collect statistics on religious beliefs and only receives voluntary submissions, combined with the fact that atheism varies in definition depending on the source (secular =/= non-religious =/= atheism etc.), it would be difficult to quantify. But considering they're a relatively small portion of the population, it's not too surprising that they make up a relatively small portion of the prison population. Somewhere around 10-20% of the population are "non-religious" though, so believing in a higher deity or not, I doubt it has much impact whether or not you turn up in prison.

Fanatical Zealot

It seems instead to be an aggregate study taking the lowest numbers in some studies and comparing them to the highest number in other studies, which is easy enough to do. Some of these studies are ridiculous, which conclusions like "Only religious agnostics were racially tolerant." Wut? No other group had even an inkling of racial tolerance, and no agnostics were racially intolerant? WUHART?! That literally makes no sense.

A lot of this is more or less crap, done by students in Duke University.


It's not enough to prove that people of different ethnicities or races made up a large bulk of those within a certain religion. Non-religious isn't really a group that can be compared to another religion, given that it's a more general, broader category. You'd have to compare religion to non-religion, and not say, Christianity to non-religion. Due to the geopolitical nature of most human beings, that is staying where they live and their parents lived for most of their lives, it's not that incredible to believe that social ideas would be connected with those who live in a particular area, since until recently, word of mouth was the only way people could communicate, and even in the modern world most people don't travel more than 15-30 miles a day. Most Indians practice Hinduism, they are also Indian. Most Japanese people practice Shinto, they are also Japanese. Most Russians practice Russian Orthodox Christianity, they are also Russian.

It's sort of a "no duh" moment. Yes, religions tend to be centered in particular geographic areas, which also include politics, race, language, and a host of other factors. But that doesn't make a religion intolerant just because it happens to have a higher percentage of a certain ethnicity in it. If you compare those who have religions to those who don't, you'll find an equal level of diversity, in any case. Everyone and their mum's have a religion around the world.

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Yeah, not when we have the real Sun Father, President Obama. Why look to heaven when we've already got a god here on Earth?
I'm actually astounded by the level of stupidity that you've just sunk to.
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IronySandwich
Suicidesoldier#1
Those who identify as atheists make up around .5% of the population, so it's not surprising they make up about .5% of those in prison..

Sources vary, but the lowball figure for the number of ateists in the U.S was 2.4% in 2007 from Pew research. Gallup estimates it at about 5-6%. And that's not .5% of the prison population, it's 0.2% So atheists are conservatively one tenth as represented in prisons as you would expect by blind chance.
They did say less than a half of a percent, just never specified how much less.
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IronySandwich
Suicidesoldier#1
Those who identify as atheists make up around .5% of the population, so it's not surprising they make up about .5% of those in prison..

Sources vary, but the lowball figure for the number of ateists in the U.S was 2.4% in 2007 from Pew research. Gallup estimates it at about 5-6%. And that's not .5% of the prison population, it's 0.2% So atheists are conservatively one tenth as represented in prisons as you would expect by blind chance.


Because the U.S. doesn't collect statistics on religious beliefs and only receives voluntary submissions, combined with the fact that atheism varies in definition depending on the source (secular =/= non-religious =/= atheism etc.), it would be difficult to quantify. But considering they're a relatively small portion of the population, it's not too surprising that they make up a relatively small portion of the prison population. Somewhere around 10-20% of the population are "non-religious" though, so believing in a higher deity or not, I doubt it has much impact whether or not you turn up in prison.
Non-religious could include agnostic and spiritual, get your facts straight.

Also you talk alot, why don't you put sources where your mouth is.

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