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Horace Burtons Ghost
Thatcher's restructuring had a lot of victims, and I have no way of imagining what things may have been liked had things carried on the way they had been. I bet noone in the Thatcher years knew basically all manufacturing moved off shore and that China have all the money. Which have it's own consequences. Fault does not lay entirely on one side, both are misrepresented, and the dialogue of possible solutions get lost in the 'silly' part of the debate.
The turn of phrase 'that obsession with punishing the rich' is one I do hear bandied about. Such a statement essentially negates any opposing argument since all they seek is punishment. I believe the rich believe they do pull their weight, and make a very valid argument, to those also with money, that they do. And the others agree. People who agree with each other. How sweet.
Occupy Wall St, although I thought a great idea, turned as usual into something else, again diverting from the real argument, that being an investigation into the prevention of damage from another GFC. All I see in the news, from my neck of the woods, are Conservative MP's having to resign for some pretty stupid things. Again shifting focus away from proper debate in how to move society forward.
The three main parties are broadly in agreement on what needs to be done in terms of dealing with the deficit, but Labour desperately try to make out that they woud have done things differently but without saying what that would entail. Most politicians have an oppurtunistic streak in them but Labour really take the biscuit, they're so bare faced about it. They always go back to this tired old mantra too about the Tories cutting to quickly and that they would have done things differently, but there's never any detail, just that they would have cut slower and less deeply. It really just boils down to "we would have done the same thing, but we need create some room for political point scooring so we'll say the Tories are executing it all wrong without saying what we would have done".
I genuinely think we woud be in much the same place economically whoever had won. I hope otherwise, but in some ways I fear that the economy is out of the hands of politicians anyway and more dependant on external factors they can't do much to control.
If you are making the argument that the three major parties are all the same.........
They possibly are, and each individual will vote according to which Party will serve them best. But they are all the same, doing the same thing right? So, if the majority of punters are the not-so-rich, why vote for the Party the very-rich love? It is done all the time, and it all revolves around who the punters think will manage the money a whole lot better.
If Western Civilization was built on trade and the accumulation of wealth, then money is a more reliable God than others running about. So, In God We Trust. We trust money. The more the better.
So, the people we feel can do better with our money, the better. We think of the Left as doling out the money to the 'lazy', or mispending it by putting schools where the schools are needed most as an example. Or a decent healthcare system that can provide for all, at no cost.
And the argument will always centre around everyone paying their fair share. Are the 'Lazy' paying their fair share? I certainly don't have time in my day to pay the bills AND protest with a witty placard in front of the Stock Exchange, so why should I give them money?
And look at Socialism. From the examples already shown, it brought the people
down to a level, rather than raising everyone
up. And told the bullshit that everything was ok.
If something is doing ok, on either side, to have to bullshit to the public that everything is.
It is a big gamble to invest taxpayer money into pockets of society which are degenerating. The reason why they are there is moot (by US definition), and the main focus should be how to get them out of it. Not whether they deserve it. But it is a gamble, since beliefs as you well know, are engrained within us, and all the prejudices that it entails.
Do they deserve help, when I had to work for mine? It has nothing to do with paying your fair share, it is an individualistic society we chose to live in, and one difficult to change.
I admit, I am of person who considers s**t from a left point of view, but when I recently heard a former Prime Minister of my country, Sir Robert Menzies, once said (back when he was a politician during the building of the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the whenever), that 'he would rather see every Australian starve than to default on a debt we have with Britain. o.O
that bloke became Australia's longest serving PM, and I ask myself why, since he held such a low opinion of the people he had power over. A Conservative through and through, and admired by the second longest PM, John Howard. Who held I believe, had a similar opinion of the Australian public. Yet they kept voting him in again and again.
And all because he drummed into us all that having the economy running at a profit is good. If everyone believes that to be true, at whatever cost that may have, both socially and economically.
You can't have it both ways, and I believe we are possibly looking at it entirely from the wrong perspective. I can't tell.