I'm a Jain Vegetarian/Fruitarian

[AsuraSyn]

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I love nature. I always have. I also love animals, children, and caring people. I seek to be as peaceful as I can and respect all life. If you eat meat, why do you do it? I'm not here to have an argument, I'm here to have an intelligent discussion about food.

Because it tastes good. Humans are willing to give up anything, including the life of an innocent, sentient being, just so that they can have a good taste in their mouths. rolleyes

AsuraSyn

But seriously, I eat meat because homo sapiens are supposed to eat meat. It's why it's tasty.

Oh really now? Tell me the last time you ventured out into the wild, tackled and pounced a live animal, and used your razor sharp teeth and claws to kill it and eat its' raw flesh? I'll bet never. Why? Because you don't have those features. Those are the features of a carnivore or an omnivore. Not a human. Just because something is "tasty" doesn't mean you should be eating it. Would you be saying the same thing if somebody found a way to put artificial flavoring of your favorite food in a vile of poison?

Faulty logic, love.
Humans don't have protective fur coats, which is why we developed clothing.
Humans are omnivores, that doesn't mean we have to hunt down and claw out food to death. We survived by using tools and evolved accordingly.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

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Suicidesoldier#1

Sounds great, but how do you get enough protein and stuff : P

Fruits, vegetables and nuts provide plenty of protein to sustain a healthy diet. If it didn't, all vegans and vegetarians would be very ill or borderline dead. Meat only gives excess protein that we don't necessarily need.

Or just not as healthy; there are living but malnourished people everywhere.

I mean ideal isn't the same as living.


I suppose there's nuts and stuff that provide protein, but what of Vitamin B12, Vitamin D etc.

Those are still pretty hard to get. xp


Are nuts technically fruits?

I guess they're seeds so they could be. xp

[AsuraSyn]

dolly milk

Suicidesoldier#1

Sounds great, but how do you get enough protein and stuff : P

Fruits, vegetables and nuts provide plenty of protein to sustain a healthy diet. If it didn't, all vegans and vegetarians would be very ill or borderline dead. Meat only gives excess protein that we don't necessarily need.

Every vegetarian/vegan I've ever seen either looked like they just got out of Auschwitz, or they take a bottle of supplements a day. An all veg diet is insufficient to sustain a complex human animal. Fact of life.

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I once read something or other about how we're determined to be omnivores due to our jaw/teeth structure and the types of bacteria in our stomachs, or some such.

[AsuraSyn]

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I once read something or other about how we're determined to be omnivores due to our jaw/teeth structure and the types of bacteria in our stomachs, or some such.

The enamel on our teeth isn't sufficiently thick enough to sustain an herbivore's diet since eating plants invariably means eating bits of dirt and sand. So either we evolved in the last few centuries because of running water, or we're meant to eat meat.

[Deice]

I eat meat because it tastes good and it's filling.

Two summers ago I tried to go pseudo-vegetarian by cutting my meat intake DRASTICALLY and eating mostly salads and fruits.

And I was also working out a lot because I had nothing better to do. I could not keep my weight up, so I gave it up.

There just isn't enough variety with that sort of diet for me. Even the variety of dishes isn't really what I would call variety lol.

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AsuraSyn

dolly milk

tfwbtr

I love nature. I always have. I also love animals, children, and caring people. I seek to be as peaceful as I can and respect all life. If you eat meat, why do you do it? I'm not here to have an argument, I'm here to have an intelligent discussion about food.

Because it tastes good. Humans are willing to give up anything, including the life of an innocent, sentient being, just so that they can have a good taste in their mouths. rolleyes

AsuraSyn

But seriously, I eat meat because homo sapiens are supposed to eat meat. It's why it's tasty.

Oh really now? Tell me the last time you ventured out into the wild, tackled and pounced a live animal, and used your razor sharp teeth and claws to kill it and eat its' raw flesh? I'll bet never. Why? Because you don't have those features. Those are the features of a carnivore or an omnivore. Not a human. Just because something is "tasty" doesn't mean you should be eating it. Would you be saying the same thing if somebody found a way to put artificial flavoring of your favorite food in a vile of poison?

Faulty logic, love.
Humans don't have protective fur coats, which is why we developed clothing.
Humans are omnivores, that doesn't mean we have to hunt down and claw out food to death. We survived by using tools and evolved accordingly.

Umm, yes it does. Considering somebody hadn't figured out how to make a weapon, we would all be dead right now. We are useless with bare hands and blunt molars. Just because somebody happened to be smart enough to make a weapon doesn't necessarily mean we were mean to be on carnivorous diets in the first place. True carnivorous animals have very different ways of hunting and surviving, as well as different physical anatomies from us. If we were truly meant to be eating meat, don't you think we would be almost nearly the same as them?

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AsuraSyn

mellifluous glass optics

I once read something or other about how we're determined to be omnivores due to our jaw/teeth structure and the types of bacteria in our stomachs, or some such.

The enamel on our teeth isn't sufficiently thick enough to sustain an herbivore's diet since eating plants invariably means eating bits of dirt and sand. So either we evolved in the last few centuries because of running water, or we're meant to eat meat.

Makes sense. Even if we weren't originally designed to eat meat (which I doubt) we clearly are now.

And I know I couldn't possibly afford to live vegan. That stuff is insanely expensive.

[Heimdalr]

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Umm, yes it does. Considering somebody hadn't figured out how to make a weapon, we would all be dead right now. We are useless with bare hands and blunt molars. Just because somebody happened to be smart enough to make a weapon doesn't necessarily mean we were mean to be on carnivorous diets in the first place. True carnivorous animals have very different ways of hunting and surviving, as well as different physical anatomies from us. If we were truly meant to be eating meat, don't you think we would be almost nearly the same as them?

The blue whale is a carnivore yet it looks nothing like the lynx. I say, one of them has to give up meat because it doesn't look the part.

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AsuraSyn

dolly milk

tfwbtr

I love nature. I always have. I also love animals, children, and caring people. I seek to be as peaceful as I can and respect all life. If you eat meat, why do you do it? I'm not here to have an argument, I'm here to have an intelligent discussion about food.

Because it tastes good. Humans are willing to give up anything, including the life of an innocent, sentient being, just so that they can have a good taste in their mouths. rolleyes

AsuraSyn

But seriously, I eat meat because homo sapiens are supposed to eat meat. It's why it's tasty.

Oh really now? Tell me the last time you ventured out into the wild, tackled and pounced a live animal, and used your razor sharp teeth and claws to kill it and eat its' raw flesh? I'll bet never. Why? Because you don't have those features. Those are the features of a carnivore or an omnivore. Not a human. Just because something is "tasty" doesn't mean you should be eating it. Would you be saying the same thing if somebody found a way to put artificial flavoring of your favorite food in a vile of poison?

Faulty logic, love.
Humans don't have protective fur coats, which is why we developed clothing.
Humans are omnivores, that doesn't mean we have to hunt down and claw out food to death. We survived by using tools and evolved accordingly.

Umm, yes it does. Considering somebody hadn't figured out how to make a weapon, we would all be dead right now. We are useless with bare hands and blunt molars. Just because somebody happened to be smart enough to make a weapon doesn't necessarily mean we were mean to be on carnivorous diets in the first place. True carnivorous animals have very different ways of hunting and surviving, as well as different physical anatomies from us. If we were truly meant to be eating meat, don't you think we would be almost nearly the same as them?

To be fair, the oldest documented human corpse also had an arrow head embedded in it. So we've been using weapons for a very, very long time.

[AsuraSyn]

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AsuraSyn

Faulty logic, love.
Humans don't have protective fur coats, which is why we developed clothing.
Humans are omnivores, that doesn't mean we have to hunt down and claw out food to death. We survived by using tools and evolved accordingly.

Umm, yes it does. Considering somebody hadn't figured out how to make a weapon, we would all be dead right now. We are useless with bare hands and blunt molars. Just because somebody happened to be smart enough to make a weapon doesn't necessarily mean we were mean to be on carnivorous diets in the first place. True carnivorous animals have very different ways of hunting and surviving, as well as different physical anatomies from us. If we were truly meant to be eating meat, don't you think we would be almost nearly the same as them?

Um, no.
Snakes are nothing like wolves, yet they eat similar diets.
Mammals tend to work in packs due largely to the complex mammalian brain. Since we don't have sharp teeth, claws or poison, we found a way to function in a group and kill our prey. If we were truly intended to live on plants, the hunter/gather dynamic would never have formed. An early man would never have looked at an animal and thought about eating it.

[Deice]

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I once read something or other about how we're determined to be omnivores due to our jaw/teeth structure and the types of bacteria in our stomachs, or some such.

I think there is some truth to that. Ruminant animals have four stomachs because digesting the cellulose and fiber from the plants is actually difficult to digest so it have to go through the various compartments in order to be broken down sufficiently.

And even then it can't be broken down all the way, hence the green color of the feces and horses and cattle.

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Deice

mellifluous glass optics

I once read something or other about how we're determined to be omnivores due to our jaw/teeth structure and the types of bacteria in our stomachs, or some such.

I think there is some truth to that. Ruminant animals have four stomachs because digesting the cellulose and fiber from the plants is actually difficult to digest so it have to go through the various compartments in order to be broken down sufficiently.

And even then it can't be broken down all the way, hence the green color of the feces and horses and cattle.

I know my body isn't too happy when I've had too much fiber.

[dolly milk]

Heimdalr

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Umm, yes it does. Considering somebody hadn't figured out how to make a weapon, we would all be dead right now. We are useless with bare hands and blunt molars. Just because somebody happened to be smart enough to make a weapon doesn't necessarily mean we were mean to be on carnivorous diets in the first place. True carnivorous animals have very different ways of hunting and surviving, as well as different physical anatomies from us. If we were truly meant to be eating meat, don't you think we would be almost nearly the same as them?

The blue whale is a carnivore yet it looks nothing like the lynx. I say, one of them has to give up meat because it doesn't look the part.

That's not necessarily what I meant, so I believe you are interpreting things the wrong way. What I mean is that they are capable of consuming other lives creatures naturally, without the use of artificial weapons. And considering whales are probably much larger than most of the other animals in the sea, it takes no effort for them to just swallow all the other fish up whole.

[AliKat1988]

Suicidesoldier#1

dolly milk

Suicidesoldier#1

Sounds great, but how do you get enough protein and stuff : P

Fruits, vegetables and nuts provide plenty of protein to sustain a healthy diet. If it didn't, all vegans and vegetarians would be very ill or borderline dead. Meat only gives excess protein that we don't necessarily need.

Or just not as healthy; there are living but malnourished people everywhere.

I mean ideal isn't the same as living.


I suppose there's nuts and stuff that provide protein, but what of Vitamin B12, Vitamin D etc.

Those are still pretty hard to get. xp


Are nuts technically fruits?

I guess they're seeds so they could be. xp

Soy, nuts and beans are still eaten by vegetarians and they have enough iron and sufficient B12-by the way your body recycles b12 and b6 so you do not have to eat it as regularly as you think and as for vitamin D there is this thing called the sun that sends rays out which cause the body to make most of the vitamin D you need.