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Hamas' genocidal war on Israel.


You're disgusting. The genocide is entirely in the hands of Israel, in their constant attempts to subjugate and slaughter the people of Palestine.

Like.

How the hell do you think that a few shitty little bottle rockets is a genocide attempt? (It's not. It's an act of self-determination; a statement of "We aren't going to go down quietly".)

It's Israel, with the billions of dollars worth of experimental American weapons and thousands of wealthy backers, which is performing a genocide here. Same deal as how Canada and the US were established, really; settler-colonialists starving and murdering the area's indigenous people to gain control of more land and resources. Stealing their water, bombing their cities, arresting their fishers, sabotaging their infrastructure, and playing the victim in front of the rest of the world.

A few Qassam rockets will never compare to what Israel has done to Palestine.


And how much exactly has Israel done to Palestine?

I mean they've only killed a few thousand Palestinians maximum, and most of those are not innocent people. Hamas deliberately targets civilians and uses human shields, while Israel focus on military targets.


Well, let's start with the colonisation of Palestine in the first place. They had a pretty decent thing going on there until Zionism became a thing, and millions of settlers — backed by extremely racist rich Westerners — invaded the area, displacing its indigenous people. So, this is before the establishment of the state of Israel. Upon Israel being established, they essentially immediately went ahead and set up a regime which is considered by many to be comparable to Apartheid in South Africa; with separate legal rights for Jewish people, non-Jewish Israelis, and Palestinians, and vastly worse infrastructure being provided to Palestinians. It's only gotten worse since then, really; Israel has been cultivating a climate of absolutely ridiculous racism over the past sixty-five years, allowing many Israelis, and their (almost always first-world) international supporters to effectively regard Palestinians as subhuman (just take a look at the kind of rhetoric you see from people who are discussing the issue in general; especially "liberals" and right-wingers).
As far as specifically recent stuff goes — and the reason that Hamas is firing rockets into Israel — it's quite simple, really. For the past decade or so, the Israel "Defense" Force (colonialism and genocide is never defensive) has put Gaza, an urban area with roughly two million people, under a brutal siege; destroying its airports, bombing its power plants, gunning down or air-striking its citizens whenever given an "excuse", and trying to absolutely strangle its local economy. Oh, and also arresting anyone who tries to provide aid to Gaza, because apparently letting innocent civilians die just because they're inconvenient is acceptable?
Also — apartheid and genocide isn't "focussing on military targets". If they only cared about military targets, there'd be no concrete walls and no IDF terrorist campaigns like the one that happened this summer.

So yeah. Israel hasn't merely killed a few thousand civilians. They're brutalising, dehumanising, and oppressing millions. :v


That was the UK, and when has Israel done any of that, or on what scale? There may be people in Israel who are bad, but that doesn't condemn all of Israel.

How many civilians have they actually killed? How many Palestinians total? I suppose sources are important to consider.


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when has Israel done any of that


Well, uh, that's awkward. Apparently you're defending Israel while having close to zero knowledge of how they treat their indigenous people. Let's see here.

They have roads exclusive to Israeli citizens, residents, and tourists, specifically excluding Palestinians (a lot of other Israeli infrastructure and services is the same); they've surrounded many Palestinian towns in the West Bank with massive concrete walls, forcing them to go through ~security checkpoints~ to get to their jobs or any kind of adequate hospitals; their national water utility drains aquifers under Palestinian territory to, in part, supply Israeli swimming pools and lawn sprinklers while allowing Palestinian farms to go dry; on top of this, there's the whole thing about Gaza. You know, making it almost impossible for any supplies to get in, and making it just as hard for any people to get out.

As for sources on strictly deaths, here's a handy one (albeit with commentary that'd definitely qualify as "biased" wink : http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html . So yes, there definitely were a fair number of Israeli civilians killed during the al-Aqsa Intifada, but it's important to remember:
1. The far larger number of Palestinian civilian deaths (out of a smaller population), and
2. The fact that this damage isn't exclusively in the form of deaths induced by military action.
It's kinda extremely reductionistic to be saying that it's literally as simple as "x people died on this side, y people died on that side". You need to consider the fact that Israel's policies have pushed the vast majority of Palestinians into a situation where their human rights get trampled on routinely, and they are forced into an economic situation so dire that, even if the Israeli government wasn't going out of its way to screw them over on the human and legal rights angle, they'd still probably not be able to get out of it.