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The part of the military that's held in the most esteem because of the "KILL ALL THE BADGUYS" social programming. War isn't about esteem. War is ugly. If you want to enter the Infantry for the honor of it all, Wilfred Owen has some words for you.
I'm willing to listen, but don't expect it to negate the massive a** kissing I'll get from the many other sources.
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Of the people my buddy has spoken to me about from his recent tour, he himself will never walk right again (after taking shrapnel to his leg), several of his friends have irreparable spinal/disk damage for life, some have to attend muscle therapy for years because their muscles have literally ripped apart under the strain of the job.
So you get a sympathy card to play in addition to the "I defended my country, soft-a**!" card. The deal just get's better and better.
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Society's hero worship romanticized Infantry for the wrong reason -- it's not about heroism, it's deeper than that. It's the embodiment of the darkest, grittiest part of American ideology, the strength of mind that it takes to live in the shittiest conditions, surrounded by enemies, far from home, unsure of what you're fighting for to the point that the only thing you're fighting for is to keep your teammates alive. It's not called The Suck for nothing.
You realize you kinda reinforced my point even more than I intended to plead for it, right? Only the strong of mind can do this necessary s**t.
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If you want to argue equality ethics and say "anyone willing to put themselves through that deserves the right to," I would halfway agree (I realize you did not make this argument; this is anticipating future arguments) in saying that someone who: A) is willing and B) is capable, deserves the right. Unfortunately, while I know plenty of women who can carry heavy things, and move quickly, and fire accurately, none of these are the most important aspect to the job. Stamina first, pain threshold second, and it's very difficult to argue that a physically-peaked male isn't going to vastly outgun a physically-peaked female in both of these departments. Most men can't do it (I can't), and even those who can tend to come out with lifelong handicaps.
So doing it proves you are strong of mind, and strong of body as well. I knew this, but again, you're only reinforcing that the infantry is held in the highest esteem for a damn good reason.
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Oh come on, don't compare me to Savage. Just because a perspective has some morons on board doesn't make it false. That's guilt by association and it's a rather nasty logical fallacy. Studies have been going for ages to try to counter the age-old perspective -- not long ago, the Marine Corp retired such a program because, of all their potential candidates, only one woman met the physical standards through PT, and she had to be retired around a year because of sustained personal injury. It has nothing to do with "better or worse," it has to do with acknowledging that males and females are built and wired differently.
Uh, yes it did. If she was up to snuff, she wouldn't have been retired. Femininity, as proven with that case, sucks. It's why I fight every part of it in my being as best as I can and can afford to. They are right in saying we are too weak to defend our country.
Different means one is going to be better the other.
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While the vast majority of tasks to be completed in this world can be completed adequately by people of either gender, there will always be outlying jobs on the extremes that take very specialized skillsets or genetics.
But the most noble and testing ones go to the men, as you proved just a paragraph above. Women can't cut it when it really counts.
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I've been out of it for a few years and I'm still pretty white/male-guilted. As I said below, most people are good and decent, but the public opinion influenced by a select group doesn't target select groups. In fact, it likely doesn't even impact select groups. When some media outlet or female-empowerment movement lashes out against masculine privilege, it's not the popped-collar fratboys that feel the sting, it's the more reasonable males whose only sin was guilt by association. To make somebody feel bad for being part of a group that wasn't their choice to join is no different than the reason they're lashing out in the first place. A small group of assholes make a large amount of the other group feel attacked; a small group of the attacked attack back, so now all of those loosely similar to the assholes feel the brunt of the attack. It's tantamount to killing civilians over a dispute between two heads of state. "When elephants fight, it is the ground that suffers" and all that.
And you don't think the opposite applies against women when MGTOW or AFVM begins proclaiming how subhuman and parasitical women are?
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The Entitled Christian lobby is ******** evil, there's no arguing that. It promoted slavery, racism, and unsafe work conditions for centuries. It tried to deny suffrage and equal civil rights.
Apparently on the suffrage part,they were right. You did a good job making their case for them.
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See, that's the perspective I'm talking about. To you, I must seem like "them," and maybe I am. But to me, I see the majority of people on the sides that oppose me, invariably. We all imagine the apathetic to be supporting the "bad guys" by not speaking up to help the "good guys." And you know, there ARE plenty of groups that are fine to interpret as "them," but the definition of "them" needs to be visited and discussed very, very specifically, because while the LGBT interest groups do a good job of embracing allies, most gender-related focus groups do a great job of alienating them.
I don't know what you are, honestly. ALl you gotta do, at least in my perspective, is answer one question; what role and function should I be made to do within society?
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