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Who do you support for the 2008 election?
Barack Obama (D)
73%
 73%  [ 42 ]
Mitt Romney (R)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Hillary Clinton (D)
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Rudy Guiliani (R)
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
Bill Richardson (D)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
John McCain (R)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
John Edwards (D)
5%
 5%  [ 3 ]
Fred Thompson (R)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Other (Post?)
5%
 5%  [ 3 ]
No Interest/Not American
12%
 12%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 57


CloZack PASSION

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:06 pm


I apologize if this is a repeat or misplaced thread, but I didn't see anything specific to this effect, and felt it important so I decided to throw it on up. Delete/move as you see fit, admin-types.


Below, you will find the leading 2008 US presidential candidates and their stances on abortion, with quotes and links to information on other important issues.
At this time, most of the information provided comes from On The Issues. More sites and sources will be added as necessary.

Republican candidates are listed in this nifty red font.

Democrats are identified by this stunning blue, a must-have for any fall wardrobe.



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Barack Obama
On Abortion:
* Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
* Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
* Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
* Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
* Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
* Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 199 cool
* Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
* Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
* Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Barack Obama on so-called Partial Birth Abortions

I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families who make these decisions. They don't make them casually. And I trust women to make these decisions in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy. And I think that's where most Americans are. Now, when you describe a specific procedure that accounts for less than 1% of the abortions that take place, then naturally, people get concerned, and I think legitimately so.
But the broader issue here is: Do women have the right to make these profoundly difficult decisions? And I trust them to do it. There is a broader issue: Can we move past some of the debates around which we disagree and can we start talking about the things we do agree on? Reducing teen pregnancy; making it less likely for women to find themselves in these circumstances.


Learn More about Obama
Obama's Official Website




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Mitt Romney

On Abortion:


* Absolute good day for America when Roe v. Wade is repealed. (May 2007)
* Personally pro-life, but government should not intrude. (May 2007)
* Was effectively pro-choice until cloning changed his opinion. (May 2007)
* Altered nuclear transfer instead of embryonic stem cells. (May 2007)
* Would welcome overturning Roe v. Wade. (Mar 2007)
* Breach of Constitution for justices to adjust Constitution. (Mar 2007)
* Committed to not change law on abortion as Gov., and did not. (Mar 2007)
* Stem cell research lofty goals don't justify destroying life. (Mar 2007)
* Now firmly pro-life, despite 2002 tolerance for abortion. (Dec 2006)
* Opposes Roe v Wade, but won't tamper with abortion laws. (Dec 2006)
* Anti-abortion views have "evolved & deepened" while governor. (Jul 2005)
* Vetoed emergency contraception for rape victims. (Jul 2005)
* Vetoed stem cell research bill. (May 2005)
* Endorsed legalization of RU-486. (Mar 2002)
* Personally against abortion, but pro-choice as governor. (Mar 2002)
* For safe, legal abortion since relative's death from illegal. (Oct 1994)

Mitt Romney on his switch to pro-life

"Q: You were effectively pro-choice as governor?

A: About two years ago, when we were studying cloning in our state, I said, look, we have gone too far. It's a "brave new world" mentality that Roe v. Wade has given us, and I changed my mind. I took the same course that Ronald Reagan took, and I said I was wrong and changed my mind and said I'm pro-life. And I'm proud of that, and I won't apologize to anybody for becoming pro-life.

Q: Some people are going to see those changes of mind as awfully politically convenient.

A: When I ran for the first time, I said I was personally pro-life but that I would protect a woman's right to choose as the law existed. Two years ago, as a result of the debate we had, the conclusion I reached was that cloning and creating new embryos was wrong, and that we should, therefore, allow our state to become a pro-life state. I believe states should have the right to make this decision, and that's a position I indicated in an op-ed in the Boston Globe 2 years ago.



Mitt Romney on Other Issues
Mitt Romney's Official Website





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Hillary Clinton

On Abortion:
* Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too. (Nov 2006)
* Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania. (Nov 2003)
* Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice. (Oct 2000)
* Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
* Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose. (Jan 2000)
* Keep abortion safe, legal and rare. (Jan 1999)
* Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
* Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)
* Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
* Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
* Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
* Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
* Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)

Hillary Clinton on 'Partial Birth' Abortion

Q: Are there circumstances when the government should limit choice?

LAZIO: I had a pro-choice record in the House, and I believe in a woman’s right to choose. I support a ban on partial-birth abortions. Senator Moynihan called it “infanticide.” Even former mayor Ed Koch agreed that this was too extreme a procedure. This is an area where I disagree with my opponent. My opponent opposes a ban on partial-birth abortions.

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.



More information on Clinton's other issues
Hillary Clinton's offical website.




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Rudy Giuliani

* Allowing choice keeps government out of people's lives. (May 2007)
* Seek bipartisan ways to reduce abortion & increase adoption. (May 2007)
* Giuliani donated to Planned Parenthood throughout 1990s. (May 2007)
* Ok to repeal Roe v. Wade, but ok to view it as precedent too. (May 2007)
* Allow states to fund or not fund abortion. (May 2007)
* Encourage adoptions; ban partial-birth abortion. (May 2007)
* Embryonic stem cell research ok if limited properly. (May 2007)
* FactCheck: Encouraged adoptions; but over-stated results. (May 2007)
* Pro-choice; no ban on partial-birth abortions. (Dec 1999)


Rudy Guiliani on Abortion (1999)

“I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded.


Rudy Guiliani on abortion (2007)

Abortion is a very, very difficult issue of conscience for many, many people. In my case, I hate abortion. I would encourage someone to not take that option. When I was mayor of New York City, I encouraged adoptions. Adoptions went up 65%. Abortions went down 16%. I support the ban on partial-birth abortion. I support the Hyde amendment. But ultimately, I think when you come down to that choice, you have to respect a woman's right to make that choice differently than my conscience.



More on Giulani's other issues
Giuliani's Official Website




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Bill Richardson
On Abortion:

* Supreme Court model cannot be justice who dissented on Roe. (May 2007)
* Resist any effort to weaken a woman's right to choose. (Oct 2002)

Bill Richardson on female rights

I've been at the forefront with issues that affect women. I fought discriminatory wage policies in the federal government, supported legislation to help women-owned businesses, and voted to fund breast and cervical cancer screening. I have also resisted any effort to weaken a woman's right-to-choose.



Richardson's other issues
Richardson's official website




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John McCain

On Abortion:
* Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them. (Jan 2000)
* “Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion. (Jan 2000)
* Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape. (Jan 2000)
* Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity. (Jan 2000)
* Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions. (Jan 2000)
* Support adoption & foster care; work together on abortion. (Oct 1999)
* Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it. (Aug 1999)
* Opposes partial-birth abortions & public financing. (Aug 1999)
* Nominate justices based on experience, and values. (Jun 1999)
* Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding. (Jul 199 cool
* Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
* Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
* Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
* Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 199 cool
* Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)

John McCain on Abortion

On “Meet the Press,” McCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions” to an outright ban on abortions. “I don’t claim to be a theologian, but I have my moral beliefs.” If Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion outlawed, McCain said he believes doctors who performed abortions would be prosecuted. “But I would not prosecute a woman” who obtained an abortion.


John McCain's other issues
John McCain's official website




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John Edwards

On Abortion:
* Ad: compassion, truth, and hope over fear-mongering. (Jul 2004)
* Right to abortion is constitutionally protected. (Jan 2004)
* Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
* Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)

John Edwards on 'Partial Birth' abortion

Q: What is your view on the decision on partial-birth abortion and most of the public agreeing with the court's holding?

A: This decision by the Supreme Court is a perfect example of what's at stake in this election. The kind of people that will be appointed to the US Supreme Court by the next president will control whether a woman's freedom, freedom to choose, make her own health care decisions will be made by her or will be made by the government or by some men sitting on the US Supreme Court. Now, on the issue of abortion, I believe in a woman's right to choose, but I think this is an extraordinarily difficult issue for America. I think it is very important for the president of the United States to recognize--while I believe the government should not make these health-care decisions for women--I believe they should have the freedom to make them themselves--this is a very difficult issue for many people. And I think we have to show respect for people who have different views about this.



John Edwards' other issues
John Edwards' official website




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Fred Thompson

On Abortion:
* Roe v. Wade was bad law and bad science. (Jun 2007)
* Appoint strict constructionist judges. (Jun 2007)
* Has never been pro-choice despite 1994 news reports. (Jun 2007)
* Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
* Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 199 cool

Fred Thompson on Roe v. Wade

On the issue of abortion Thompson was unequivocal: "Prolife." Asked if he supported overturning Roe v. Wade, Thompson was equally unequivocal: "I think Roe v. Wade was bad law and bad medical science And the way to address that is through good judges. I don't think the court ought to wake up one day and make new social policy for the country. It's contrary to what it's been the past 200 years... That's what happened in this case [Roe v. Wade]. I think it was wrong."


Fred Thompson's other Issues
Fred Robertson Campaign Website

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:15 pm


I'm not American so my vote wouldn't count but looking at the candidates there are three I would consider voting for.
Barack Obama, Rudy Guillini and John Edwards. Not enough presented info for me to consider Bill Richardson. Not sure about Hilary Clinton, don't particulary like her. As for the rest, NEVER!
If I had to pick one though I would lean toward Barack.

Lapinporokoira


Dissnitive Blade

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:23 pm


I'd lean towards Barack Obama, not sure about Hillary Clinton seeing as how she supports censorship. On a side note, don't the ones that don't supports choice look like sick evil bastards?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:44 pm


murasame blade
I'd lean towards Barack Obama, not sure about Hillary Clinton seeing as how she supports censorship. On a side note, don't the ones that don't supports choice look like suck evil bastards?


surprised I think Fred Thompson looks absolutely terrifying. And none of the pictures I saw made him look any less scary. o-o;;


I'm pretty sure that I'll be supporting Obama.

Hillary seems to enjoy blaming the media wayyy too much for my taste, especially when it's convenient to her in that it will drum up support for her. :/

CloZack PASSION


Dissnitive Blade

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:49 pm


CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
I'd lean towards Barack Obama, not sure about Hillary Clinton seeing as how she supports censorship. On a side note, don't the ones that don't supports choice look like suck evil bastards?


surprised I think Fred Thompson looks absolutely terrifying. And none of the pictures I saw made him look any less scary. o-o;;


I'm pretty sure that I'll be supporting Obama.

Hillary seems to enjoy blaming
the media wayyy too much for my taste, especially when it's convenient to her in that it will drum up support for her. :/

In this picture he looks about ready to have a heart attack.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:55 pm


murasame blade
CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
I'd lean towards Barack Obama, not sure about Hillary Clinton seeing as how she supports censorship. On a side note, don't the ones that don't supports choice look like suck evil bastards?


surprised I think Fred Thompson looks absolutely terrifying. And none of the pictures I saw made him look any less scary. o-o;;


I'm pretty sure that I'll be supporting Obama.

Hillary seems to enjoy blaming
the media wayyy too much for my taste, especially when it's convenient to her in that it will drum up support for her. :/

In this picture he looks about ready to have a heart attack.


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He looks like he might hurt me if I don't vote for him. o-o

CloZack PASSION


Dissnitive Blade

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:59 pm


CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
I'd lean towards Barack Obama, not sure about Hillary Clinton seeing as how she supports censorship. On a side note, don't the ones that don't supports choice look like suck evil bastards?


surprised I think Fred Thompson looks absolutely terrifying. And none of the pictures I saw made him look any less scary. o-o;;


I'm pretty sure that I'll be supporting Obama.

Hillary seems to enjoy blaming
the media wayyy too much for my taste, especially when it's convenient to her in that it will drum up support for her. :/

In this picture he looks about ready to have a heart attack.


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He looks like he might hurt me if I don't vote for him. o-o

Smiling must be an unknown subject to him.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:03 pm


murasame blade

Smiling must be an unknown subject to him.


I kinda feel bad for him. He appears to be a very unhappy man. =(

CloZack PASSION


Lapinporokoira

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:29 pm


murasame blade
CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
I'd lean towards Barack Obama, not sure about Hillary Clinton seeing as how she supports censorship. On a side note, don't the ones that don't supports choice look like suck evil bastards?


surprised I think Fred Thompson looks absolutely terrifying. And none of the pictures I saw made him look any less scary. o-o;;


I'm pretty sure that I'll be supporting Obama.

Hillary seems to enjoy blaming
the media wayyy too much for my taste, especially when it's convenient to her in that it will drum up support for her. :/

In this picture he looks about ready to have a heart attack.


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He looks like he might hurt me if I don't vote for him. o-o

Smiling must be an unknown subject to him.


That picture is just so easy to imagine horns and demonic facial hair on.

On a side note: I'm a little confused on Barack's stance on homosexuality.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:31 pm


I'm probably gonna be an Edwards-voter in the primaries. I will consider voting for Obama, Edwards, Guiliani, and a minor candidate on the Republican side (Ron Paul, he ran on the Libertarian ticket once. He won't win, but he's the only Republican other than Guiliani that's standable, and he seems moderately intelligent).

I can't stand Clinton's opinion on other issues than abortion, enough that I can't morally vote for her.

As for Fred Thompson, he's not a bad actor. He should go back to acting and get out of politics.

RoseRose


Dissnitive Blade

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:26 pm


Lapinporokoira
murasame blade
CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
CloZack PASSION
murasame blade
I'd lean towards Barack Obama, not sure about Hillary Clinton seeing as how she supports censorship. On a side note, don't the ones that don't supports choice look like suck evil bastards?


surprised I think Fred Thompson looks absolutely terrifying. And none of the pictures I saw made him look any less scary. o-o;;


I'm pretty sure that I'll be supporting Obama.

Hillary seems to enjoy blaming
the media wayyy too much for my taste, especially when it's convenient to her in that it will drum up support for her. :/

In this picture he looks about ready to have a heart attack.


User Image

He looks like he might hurt me if I don't vote for him. o-o

Smiling must be an unknown subject to him.


That picture is just so easy to imagine horns and demonic facial hair on.

On a side note: I'm a little confused on Barack's stance on homosexuality.

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It sorta is isn't it?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:46 pm


I'm for Obama, with Edwards and possibly Guiliani as back-ups. I can't vote for Hillary, seeing as I am against censorship and she just makes me think of Tipper Gore in that respect.

Katsuya Ishtar


EmoKittie999

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:50 pm


I like Obama and Edwards. I'd totally vote for one of them if I was older. And to anyone who votes to ban cloning... Shame! I mean, come on! I can't hog the spotlight busting sweet moves all on my own! I need another fine sista to do it with me!

...Sorry, that was my ego talking for a minute there. It likes to talk a lot.

P.S. Thompson kinda looks like he'd eat me if I voted against him. O_o
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:21 am


Obama, Edwards and Guiliani all look like winners to me.

I should note, I like the way Guiliani actually mentioned adoption - most people don't even bother. sweatdrop Abortion is for someone who doesn't want to HAVE baby. Someone like....myself. XD Adoption is an alternative when the birth itself isn't a problem, the raising of the little parasite is.

Obama is just full of awesome, and Edwards seems like a good solid thinker.

Clinton makes me barf. End of story.

But hey.
I'm not even American...

love in a teacup


CloZack PASSION

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:59 am


Katsuya Ishtar
I'm for Obama, with Edwards and possibly Guiliani as back-ups. I can't vote for Hillary, seeing as I am against censorship and she just makes me think of Tipper Gore in that respect.


I agree 100% on Hillary's whole censorship shtick. Until I read about that, I really thought she could have been a potentially decent candidate, but now... ugh.

Obama is my top pick still at this point, with Edwards a close second. While I won't vote for him, I could absolutely live with Guiliani being president.
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