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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:16 am
Read this ArticleWhat do you think? Does this guy have any valid points or make you look at climate change in a different way? Do you just think he is full of crap? Just wondering.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:35 am
Er, halfly, Refereing to a "little Ice age" Bugs me though. I'm sure the Sun does effect Temp.s obviously, but probably not on such a large level. Perhaps if they applied there theory to that of Milankovich's theory they may have some thing. But they seem to Forget that a large reason for 17th century cold temp.s was probably due to the Eruption of Krakatau. The Massive Volcanic Eruption spewed amazing amounts of Aerosols into the atmoshpere which succeesfully blocked out the sun pretty well, which was cause for cold temp.s for a long time, and was also responsible for the infamous, "year without summer". The sun alone isn't gonna be responsible for dramatic cooling in 2020. Now if the yellowstone National park Caldera Erupted, then I'd be Concerned about cooling of the Earth's temp.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:09 pm
It's hard to believe alot of things concerning global warming. I think that it's become a huge political agenda, but that doesn't mean that it's not real.
Extreme climate changes have been taken place, we have had extream weather which can and has been directly linked to global warming. Global Warming to me doesn't just mean that our Earth is heating up, it can very well include a time of cooling but that doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong with our weather climate. I don't think that our climate through out history has never been stable as this article claims. Stability in our climate for hundredes of millions of years if what alows species to adapt to certain enviroments, and the slow changing of climate alows them to evolve and adapt to it's changes. Global Warming has been affecting plants, and animals around the world, although I think unfortunatly, dramatic events won't be felt for decades.
I agree that the science we know is very new to being able to study climate and climate changes and I'm sure that the sun does have a driving effect on our climate, I don't agree that climate change research is a "dull field" with "little left to discover". I can credit this article less because of that statement. Climantology is a very complicated field which most people fail to comprehend. There is a very small percentage of climantologist in the sicence field and most people who are putting the time and effort to research climate are not even specialized in that field. Which makes this Global warming issue a very skeptical one.
I say it all the time, weather or not global warming is real...we still need to be as enviromental freindly as possible. Out of the 6.6 billion people on this planet, only about 1% care about their surrounding envorioment and other animal species. That means the rest of the world is out dumping oil in their back yard, dumping garbage in the ocean, litering in the natural parks, you name it. MOst people dont' care that they trow their trash out their window or dump it in a parking lot. Ever seen a Walmart parking lot? They are always disgusting! The other day I went to Sonic and there was this nasty a** lady emptying out her disgusting minivan trowing all her trash on the floor. Dirty diappers, tolit paper, just a bunch of trash...it was so disgusting. I yelled out, "Ever heard of a trash can!?"and she just looked at me while talking on her cellphone, said nothing to me and continued to dump out her trash on the floor. Then of course I yelled out some indecent words, and drove off (as I was not in a very safe side of town) Uneducated is my guess. scream
It just really bothers me. crying Most of us don't like to live in filth, why do we think we can just treat our planet like s**t? I do the best I can to be as efficient as possible. Car pool, take shortcuts, ride my bike, recycle. I mean if we all did just a little bit, it would help out alot.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:16 pm
Strange that resembles the movie, Day after Tomorrow. I wonder if those people who made that article were inspired by it.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:33 pm
@Emily: My God, that is amazingly Disgusting, argh, indeed, why can't people respect the Enviornment? Thankfully, living in Colorado I don't see anything like that very often...but alas I have noticed an increase of it since they built this Jackson creek home Development thing near where I live....I swear it's an Ocean of Homes, and it's disgusting...What happened to the Beautiful fields that Retreated into the surrounding Forest's go? It was wiped out by freaking land Developers, My Quote for the day: Shoot a land Developer, save an Elk. mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:46 pm
tiki_boyX2 @Emily: My God, that is amazingly Disgusting, argh, indeed, why can't people respect the Enviornment? Thankfully, living in Colorado I don't see anything like that very often...but alas I have noticed an increase of it since they built this Jackson creek home Development thing near where I live....I swear it's an Ocean of Homes, and it's disgusting...What happened to the Beautiful fields that Retreated into the surrounding Forest's go? It was wiped out by freaking land Developers, My Quote for the day: Shoot a land Developer, save an Elk. mrgreen I know you're joking around, but that's pretty sick. If it weren't for the spirit of entrepreneurship, as well as a blatant disregard for the consequences of belligerently adhering to that spirit, none of us would be speaking with each other on the internet today. Nor would we be living in America, for it turns out, land development is not solely a contemporary field.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:31 am
Entrepreneurship is fine, but I believe it can be taken to far. The Home Development of which I speak, only half the homes in it are being used, the other half are still for sale 3 years later and after they built them. Another thing that has been done to my town which I extremely dislike, is a wal-mart has been built, and I mean it's a huge freaking Wal-mart, the place is like a warehouse, they really didn't need a wal-mart there when there's one 10 minutes down the highway. rolleyes on the bright side for me though, I can still look out my window every morning and see the rocky mountains.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:36 pm
Yeah that kind of entrepreneurship is crazy. Do you really need a walmart every 10 min? Gah! gonk
Where I live right now about 15 years ago there was nothing but wildlife. Well of course the city expanded and what was known as the "bonnies" became like a new downtown.
IT's sad though, because they wiped out all the top predators in the area like the bobcat and the coyotee's...and now there is a bunch of deer. I hate it when people go into my work complaning about how the deer ate their grass or plants. Pfft. I always tell them, "well maybe you should feed them." I mean the deer were there first, and now they are overpopulated because we took out all the top predators.
It's really sad, and I want to cry, everything I see a dead deer on the side of the road cuz it's been run over, by someone who was probably speeding...I've had plenty of deer cross my path everyday to work and I've never hit one. Almost everyday I see a dead dear on my way to work...and that's not even highway...I take the small neighborhood streets to get to work, since I don't live to far.
How sad.... crying
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:45 am
I live in the middle of nowhere and I see dead deer on the side of the road all the time. I seriously think that they have some kind of homing devices that make them jump in front of a car going more than 50 MPH. People around here actually get little things to stick on the front of their cars that are like whistles to warn the deer to get out of the way. I have never hit a deer yet *knocks on wood* but I did almost hit the a** end of a cow on a foggy night....yeah.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:04 am
Regarding the notion that global temperatures are tied to the output of the sun: The fact that there is some connection is a major DUH factor. But the question is how much does the sun influence us?
To answer this question, recall that Earth isn't the only planet that recieves the output of the sun. We have 7 other planets (excluding Pluto here for those that are wondering about my math) that should also be affected as well as several moons. If the output of the sun affects one, it should affect them all.
Many claims have been made that solar output is increasing just as global warming is, and that Mars has also warmed a little, and a few other planets, but to note this and ignore all the others is to selectively pick your data to confirm the hypothesis. In otherwords, it's BAD science.
When we take into account the full data set of all the planets, there is no overall correlation. Thus, the sun cannot be more than a marginal influence.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:34 pm
Well that about ends this discussion. xp
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:17 pm
Emily, I'm amazed by that lady, that is absolutly disgusting. I get what you are talking about with the whole global warming is very skeptical. There are soo many different opinions about global warming from all sorts of people scientist, and people who research about what scientist have to say, and make their own opinion from what they read. I respect our planet, and i am ashamed to say that i dont do all that i can to help out, i dont recycle as much as i should, i dont walk or ride my bike as much as i should. and so on and so forth. I would love to be able to do more. but seeing is how i'm like 13 and i live with my parents and dont make my own money, i'm not able to do as much as i would like. including buying recycling bins and such. i know you said that that about ends this discussion but reading this discussion, i wanted to say what i thought, so thats what i did.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:52 pm
Oh I didn't Literally mean it ended the discussion, simply Vioja made an excellent point.
And Don't ya worry, the little bit that you can do is more than what most people do for our planet. Of course we can't always walk, and it's not always convinient to take the bus, but the little effort that we make when we can, can make a big difference. In all honestly, no one is doing everything they can to be enviromental freindly. We would be living like Indians if we were...which I hear there are places where you can live like that.
So don't feel too bad, the fact that you have a concious about it, makes a difference...at least your not dumping trash out your window.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:53 pm
Thanks, I feel alot better about not doing so much now. And you have an excellent point about the whole, "nobody is doing as much as they can. And about the whole not throwing garbage out the window, nice point.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:29 pm
Sun Charm Strange that resembles the movie, Day after Tomorrow. I wonder if those people who made that article were inspired by it. I have always wondered about the points made in that movie. It seemed so far fetched because of the magnitude of those storms.. but when I read articles about underwater ocean currents and their effect on climate... something like that could be possible. I mean if you ever watched the weather channel the vast majority of hurricanes and typhoons are formed on the currents. Its VERY rare for a hurricane to just develop out in the middle of the atlantic ocean where there isn't an ocean current... The current that runs down the pacific coast towards the south makes it extremely rare for such a storm to make landfall there. Solar output does impact the weather... but I believe the currents have the greatest impact. Watch the radar and see how storm systems move across the United States... Most systems Dip down from the Washington State Area (thats right where one of the currents pushes towards before running down the coast) [I am trying to describe this as best as I can but its hard] the storm system moves across the land gradually weakening. Typically once a system reaches Central United States.. around the Texas Oklahoma Area those storms recieve a boost of warm moist air. from the Gulf Stream currents.. (why else would that area be called tornado alley if it wasn't the area where the storms recieve their greatest boost in power) that current also aids in propelling the storm the rest of the way off the United States in a North Eastish pattern where it is then Caught by North Atlantic Current and taken out to sea... I don't know if I am stating common knowledge here or not... I just waited to point out the impact of ocean currents.. Since a lot of ocean currents are dependent on salinity, if that balance was disrupted ocean currents would distort change and what not causing a change in climate. I am not so sure on the whole global warming thing, and the relation of the Ozone layer... I havn't really read anything on it. But if trashing the planet causes temps to rise it would cause the ice caps to melt and it would ******** up the North Atlantic Current for sure... Reguardless if Global Warming is a scam.. it pisses me off when people throw washers and driers off in the woods somewhere on a backroad, or throws their nasty diapers out on the highway. That kind of behavior is ******** ridiculous.
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