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What is the square root of pie?
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Big Dumb Moose

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:26 pm


Closed for a bit, I'll re-open when I have some new topics...
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:29 pm


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Rules



There are only a few don't worry.
[♥] No Flaming
[♥] Keep the page a virgin, no stretching her.
[♥] I change the topics frequently, but you CAN discuss past topics
[♥] Have fun and remember, after it all, no hard feelings.






Past Arguments
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June 2
Today's topic acredited to fujinakaheero.


fujinakaheero

Something like.. can gay people have children who are not gay? (this is a huge issue when dealing with adoption and children, as a lot of people say gay people will have gay children... though i find it funny when a straight couple has a gay child @__@)

or..
this a major one i discuss with people all the time;

> Getting pregnant without actually having sex with a male, is it right or wrong? (this goes with the fact that my girlfriend and I plan on having kids in the future and of course i want to be the carrier, though we plan on getting our friend to donate to us in order to have a child... I've talked to some people who think it's just plain wrong because it goes again nature and blah, blah, blah >.< It gets repetitive sometimes)

I will go brainstorm some more ideas too if you are looking for something else.



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May 25

Today's topic.
Pre-marital sex. Especially amung teenagers. Do they need
that kind of pleasure that early in life? I only being 15 don't feel
the need to have any kind of "sexual" contact. From fingering to
the real deal. I also believe that any other freshman-junior in high-
school needs it either. What is your view?


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May 20

Todays topic can be religion.
Why is it okay to publicly mention Allah, Muhommad, Buddha, etc and its
incorect to put Jesus in a film. Why do people hate the idea of the Christian
religion? I personally look at it two ways If there is a God:
a.)You believe and you're in.
b.)You don't believe and you get ******** over.

If there isn't a God:
a.)And you believe you don't lose much.
b.)You don't believe and you have gloating rights.

What are your thoughts?


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May 19th

Today I won't be on to debate, but the topic is...
Emo. What's your view on it? I personally believe most
emo is a false subculture that promotes depression and
self-mutilation. All around I think its a bad thing.
Its a cry for attention. There is no true emo anymore. Think about it,
Even people that are depressed for real, don't necessarily
dress emo and listen to the music that goes along with it.
True emo was a short lived fad in the 90's when a certin
"punk" died. After that pop rock bands used it as their new
genre name. Because they thought it sounded cool.
After that corruption of the meaning, kids who thought
it was "cool" to be depressed adopted the term for the same reason.



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May 17th


I'm in the mood to debate.
The topic is suicide. Is it selfish or not?
Personally I believe in a way suicide, while it may be wrong,
is NOT a selfish act. It may seem selfish to everybody else but to that
poor person comiting the act, they feel like its the most generous thing
to releave the world of themselves.
What do you think?

Big Dumb Moose


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:30 pm


It's a topic I'm a bit tied on. It's something I'd never do because I would consider it selfish myself; I don't have it that bad and I'd hurt the people around me. But still I can see instances when it's a relief, an escape that some people cannot reach any other way. It's still a waste of life, but I don't think it's wrong. People can only be pushed so far before they fall or push back. If things have got so bad for a person that there's no other way they can go on, then it's ultimately their choice if they want to end it.
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:33 pm


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I understand what you're saying.
The only thing is you don't have clinical depresion, or you might not
feel alone. It may seem selfish to you and I, but to the poor kid who
commits the act, it seems like the right thing to do.

Big Dumb Moose


pxxn

Original Fairy

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:35 pm


I believe it is totally selfish. If you value your life as worthless you shouldn't kill yourself, you should go help out other people, commit your life to helping others. Killing yourself isn't a solution to problems, it's just a selfish easy way out. Killing yourself affects everyone who loved and cared about you. You left them feeling guilty because they couldn't help you.
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:36 pm


Spiess Skits
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I understand what you're saying.
The only thing is you don't have clinical depresion, or you might not
feel alone. It may seem selfish to you and I, but to the poor kid who
commits the act, it seems like the right thing to do.

Yeah, I can see what you mean. A friend of mine has suffered with depression since we were in year 9/10, and though I have not experienced it myself I can see that to some people there is no light at the end of the tunnel, and nobody to turn to. Even if there is someone supporting you, it's still possible to feel alone and isolated. That's why, in reflection, I don't see it so much as selfish and can understand why people would commit suicide. sad

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Big Dumb Moose

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:37 pm


pxxn
I believe it is totally selfish. If you value your life as worthless you shouldn't kill yourself, you should go help out other people, commit your life to helping others. Killing yourself isn't a solution to problems, it's just a selfish easy way out. Killing yourself affects everyone who loved and cared about you. You left them feeling guilty because they couldn't help you.
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The one thing you're missing is that the people
who do this sort of thing feel like there isn't anyone in the world
they can turn to. You have to understand, clinically depressed people don't
see things like we do. They feel like there isn't any reason to go on.
And that they'd be doing a world a favor by riding it of one more person
that brings the people they seem to care about down.
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:39 pm


GuruLazer
Spiess Skits
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I understand what you're saying.
The only thing is you don't have clinical depresion, or you might not
feel alone. It may seem selfish to you and I, but to the poor kid who
commits the act, it seems like the right thing to do.

Yeah, I can see what you mean. A friend of mine has suffered with depression since we were in year 9/10, and though I have not experienced it myself I can see that to some people there is no light at the end of the tunnel, and nobody to turn to. Even if there is someone supporting you, it's still possible to feel alone and isolated. That's why, in reflection, I don't see it so much as selfish and can understand why people would commit suicide. sad
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Exactly. I had a really good friend, his mom commited suicide. She had a
mental problem and used that to kill herself. Thinking that it would
help her kids. Now he's a messed up kid, who feels like he can't feel
love for anybody. I have a feeling that's they way he's going to get
out of life, the same way his mother did.

Big Dumb Moose


Big Dumb Moose

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:41 pm


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Its dinner time, so I'll be
back in a few.
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:42 pm


Spiess Skits
GuruLazer
Spiess Skits
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I understand what you're saying.
The only thing is you don't have clinical depresion, or you might not
feel alone. It may seem selfish to you and I, but to the poor kid who
commits the act, it seems like the right thing to do.

Yeah, I can see what you mean. A friend of mine has suffered with depression since we were in year 9/10, and though I have not experienced it myself I can see that to some people there is no light at the end of the tunnel, and nobody to turn to. Even if there is someone supporting you, it's still possible to feel alone and isolated. That's why, in reflection, I don't see it so much as selfish and can understand why people would commit suicide. sad
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Exactly. I had a really good friend, his mom commited suicide. She had a
mental problem and used that to kill herself. Thinking that it would
help her kids. Now he's a messed up kid, who feels like he can't feel
love for anybody. I have a feeling that's they way he's going to get
out of life, the same way his mother did.

That's such a shame, it's so hard on the families as well as the victims. Trauma, especially in earlier life, can have a devastating impact on a person's perception of the world and people around them.

Hurry back! 3nodding

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pxxn

Original Fairy

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:42 pm


Spiess Skits
pxxn
I believe it is totally selfish. If you value your life as worthless you shouldn't kill yourself, you should go help out other people, commit your life to helping others. Killing yourself isn't a solution to problems, it's just a selfish easy way out. Killing yourself affects everyone who loved and cared about you. You left them feeling guilty because they couldn't help you.
[...♥]
The one thing you're missing is that the people
who do this sort of thing feel like there isn't anyone in the world
they can turn to. You have to understand, clinically depressed people don't
see things like we do. They feel like there isn't any reason to go on.
And that they'd be doing a world a favor by riding it of one more person
that brings the people they seem to care about down.

If you're depressed and not mentally stable that person should be recieveing help from a professional to get them through it. If i've ever knowingly have a depressed friend who thinks about killing themselves often I would find help for him/her. They are being selfish when they know they could get help.
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:48 pm


pxxn
Spiess Skits
pxxn
I believe it is totally selfish. If you value your life as worthless you shouldn't kill yourself, you should go help out other people, commit your life to helping others. Killing yourself isn't a solution to problems, it's just a selfish easy way out. Killing yourself affects everyone who loved and cared about you. You left them feeling guilty because they couldn't help you.
[...♥]
The one thing you're missing is that the people
who do this sort of thing feel like there isn't anyone in the world
they can turn to. You have to understand, clinically depressed people don't
see things like we do. They feel like there isn't any reason to go on.
And that they'd be doing a world a favor by riding it of one more person
that brings the people they seem to care about down.

If you're depressed and not mentally stable that person should be recieveing help from a professional to get them through it. If i've ever knowingly have a depressed friend who thinks about killing themselves often I would find help for him/her. They are being selfish when they know they could get help.


It's a good point and definitely a sound idea to try and help friends through it; I had to help out with my friend when she was at her worst. Families and friends all try their best, but if someone is in so torn a state of mind that they don't think they can be helped back to full health again then it can cloud their judgement and lead to such extremes.

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pxxn

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:56 pm


GuruLazer
pxxn
Spiess Skits
pxxn
I believe it is totally selfish. If you value your life as worthless you shouldn't kill yourself, you should go help out other people, commit your life to helping others. Killing yourself isn't a solution to problems, it's just a selfish easy way out. Killing yourself affects everyone who loved and cared about you. You left them feeling guilty because they couldn't help you.
[...♥]
The one thing you're missing is that the people
who do this sort of thing feel like there isn't anyone in the world
they can turn to. You have to understand, clinically depressed people don't
see things like we do. They feel like there isn't any reason to go on.
And that they'd be doing a world a favor by riding it of one more person
that brings the people they seem to care about down.

If you're depressed and not mentally stable that person should be recieveing help from a professional to get them through it. If i've ever knowingly have a depressed friend who thinks about killing themselves often I would find help for him/her. They are being selfish when they know they could get help.


It's a good point and definitely a sound idea to try and help friends through it; I had to help out with my friend when she was at her worst. Families and friends all try their best, but if someone is in so torn a state of mind that they don't think they can be helped back to full health again then it can cloud their judgement and lead to such extremes.

I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents.
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:05 pm


pxxn
I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents.


That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way.

(I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop )

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Big Dumb Moose

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:12 pm


pxxn
Spiess Skits
pxxn
I believe it is totally selfish. If you value your life as worthless you shouldn't kill yourself, you should go help out other people, commit your life to helping others. Killing yourself isn't a solution to problems, it's just a selfish easy way out. Killing yourself affects everyone who loved and cared about you. You left them feeling guilty because they couldn't help you.
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The one thing you're missing is that the people
who do this sort of thing feel like there isn't anyone in the world
they can turn to. You have to understand, clinically depressed people don't
see things like we do. They feel like there isn't any reason to go on.
And that they'd be doing a world a favor by riding it of one more person
that brings the people they seem to care about down.

If you're depressed and not mentally stable that person should be recieveing help from a professional to get them through it. If i've ever knowingly have a depressed friend who thinks about killing themselves often I would find help for him/her. They are being selfish when they know they could get help.
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The things is they DON'T know that.
They feel that it isn't working, and that it is a waste of time.
Try to look through their eyes. Really think in a non baised way.
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