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I think I shall have to go there to find out.
Anyone got funding?

Couple of things.

1. Where did you get that picture, I know the video cameras used on Apollo 11 where black and white only, but I suppose that a standard camera could have been used as well.

2. "Some of the Apollo video shows the American flag fluttering. How can the flag flutter when there is no wind on the airless Moon?

This I find to be one of the more ridiculous observations. It is readily apparent that all the video showing a fluttering flag is one in which an astronaut is grasping the flagpole. He is obviously twisting or jostling the pole, which is making the flag move. In fact, in some video the motion of the flag is unlike anything we would see on Earth. In an atmosphere the motion of the flag would quickly dampen out due to air resistance. In some of the Apollo video we see the twisting motion of the pole resulting in a violent flapping motion in the flag with little dampening effect.

I've heard many hoax advocates claim that some of the Apollo photos show a fluttering flag. (How one can see a flag flutter in a still photograph is a mystery to me!) I can only guess that ripples and wrinkles in the flags are being perceived as wave motion. The flags were attached vertically at the pole and horizontally from a rod across the top. On some flights the astronauts did not fully extend the horizontal rod, so the flags had ripples in them. There is much video footage in which these rippled flags can be seen and, in all cases, they are motionless. " From http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

3. Moon rocks present hard physical evidence. They can be dated and tested providing hard physical evidence. (the moon has been volcanically inactive for a long time and doesn't have the same type of forces acting or its rocks as terrestial ones would influencing all sorts of stuff about them)

4. Mirrors were placed on the moon during one of the missions, they where used to reflect laser light back to earth as part of an experiment used to measure the distance from the earth to the moon very precisly (even though it does change somewhat since all orbits are ellipses as opposed to perfect circles). These experiments were carried out by a number of indepentent groups around the world, replecated, and to the best of my knowledge still possible to carry out today and would be impossible without man-mad mirrors being placed on the surface of the moon. Here is an article that references them although there is much more detailed information available if you care to look. http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9712/17/measuring.moon.ap/index.html

Any more points to bring up?

As to the problem with stars, in space you cannot see them nor can you see them if you're on a object (the moon in this case) with a low atmosphere.

To elaborate on the above.

But I am pretty sure one of the factors was the direct sunlight that was there during the footage in question. Its like trying to see into a dark alley when you are standing in a street lamp. The extra light overwhelms the fine details and you can't make out really small sources of light (light stars). The exact same thing happens on earth during the day (can't see stars then) but because we have an atmosphere the light is bent (kind of like a prism effect) and we get a blue sky for most of the day (note that when sunlight is traveling through a longer path i.e. dawn and dusk the sky looks a slightly different color).

for #2 I believe that there is a thing called Solar WInd created from explosions from the sun

Well I got it off of one of those links I posted on the first post. wink




I agree, and I belive that the ripples would of been because of them twisting it as well... and I also know they used Horizontal rods to keep the flag up.






Can prove hard physical evidence for...?
Obiously we have been to the moon by now, but moon rocks don't prove that we went to the moon in the 60s.
From what I've read moon rocks were broght back in the Apollo 15, 16, and 17 missions - which took place in the 70's. confused




Yes but once again that doesn't prove our first moon landing was real.



Even if the moon landing did happen, the images you saw were falsified - at least that's what this one documentarty claims called:
The Dark Side of the Moon

Ok just so I am clear here, the only Moon Landing you are contesting is the first one?

If so I will try to concentrate my reasearch on that (I am lot more used to people claiming we never went to the moon)

I know it is purely circumstantial and that there was a lot of political tension at the time. But it seems to me that once you accept that it was possible for us to make it to the moon with the technology of that time (as evidenced but subsequent moon landings). And that we actually did make it to the moon using the technique shown in the apollo 11 landing, it becomes very easy and very likely that we did in fact land on the moon in Apollo 11.