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Is Zexion really dead?
Yes
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Uh, no way
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I dunno...could be possible
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Maybe, but I doubt it
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Poll whore <3
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BlackFalcon002

PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:39 am


I was playing CoM for what seemed like the billionth time, and I noticed something. Zexion never really dies. You think he's dead, because the Riku Replica starts advancing on him, and you hear him scream, but the screen is black. You never see him die.
That, and you don't know anything about him. You don't know his element or even his weapon. The most we know is that he can change his appearance (like when he changes into Sora).
And then, in KH2, in the Proof of Existence, all of the tombstones are cracked, sure, but Zexion's was completely shattered, and there's a huge gap where his weapon would have gone. It's completely plausible that he destroyed it himself to avoid detection....but maybe it's just wishful thinking. I love Zexion.
What do you think?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:12 pm


Hum. Very nice point.


Though, I must admit, that was a pretty lame way to die, if he did. Especially since I believe him to be the reason the Original Six became Nobodies.



Spoiler for KH II:

Did you notice in the secret Ansem Reports, it mentioned how Ienzo had convinced Ansem the Wise to build the lab in the first place? And he is called the 'Cloaked Schemer.' There must be something behind that title.

Xehnort/Xemnas is too far gone in his metaphysical lala land to really be the mastermind.

[Lovely]


RosesShadow

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:01 pm


Ah, Tetsuya. When I found out he had intentionally destroyed Zexion's tombstone so no one would ever figure out his weapon I laughed.

True, he did urge Ansem to continue his research on the hearts until Xehanort took things off from there and led them all into the magical reality of being Nobodies. So, no, Ienzo couldn't have been the reason why the six became Nobodies while they were still under Ansem's watch. Only after Ansem denied Xehanort further research did the future boss of both games take things into his own hands and imbalance the stablility of the worlds via the heartless.

As for the title "Cloaked Schemer", it's self-explanatory: He cloaks himself in the illusion of others to reach his own means, aka, scheming behind the sucker's back without them knowing. Haha...

Yeah...Gamewise there probably isn't much of a plausible reason on why his tombstone is completely destroyed. Well....in a way to attract Sora to only Saix's and Luxord's rooms they may have destroyed all of the others to prevent confusion and taking forever to find the Org members. Saix may have just...hit his more to make his stand out....... sweatdrop I have no clue. Just...ask Tetsuya the next time you see him. xd
PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:00 pm


But did he try to, if he didn't really die, make people think that he did? It might have been a waste of time, because no one ever really knew that he died--I don't think Riku was watching through the door as his replica 'killed' an Organization member....so they don't know that he's dead, really, except for the tombstone.

BlackFalcon002


RosesShadow

Shy Phantom

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:42 pm


Except that DiZ was keeping a close eye on each of them, as noted in the Secret Ansem Reports. Besides him, Axel was present at the scene. And he plays a major part in this scenario -he would have known about his death right off the bat.

Saying if Zexion managed to escape somehow. First of all, wouldn't the player find it odd that the Riku Replica gained a massive amount of power from his previous battles with both Riku and Sora? The player already knows what had happened on Sora's side and with barely no one left on Riku's side...there would lack an explanation. Unless he somehow got into Vexen's lab and played 'chemist'. Or, even, buffed up in Lexaeus's gym in that short amount of time. rofl Other possible darkness sources aside. (Eh, heartless, surrendering his non-heart to ...more darkness?)

Another point concerning Axel would be that upon his death wouldn't you think he'd tell Sora of a certain Org member that: "went missing awhile ago and that you might want to keep a look out just in case he decides to stab you in the back one day." Other than that, he was playing double agent and would have told Xemnas right away to do something about Zexion.

I see the point you're trying to make here and I'm trying to counteract it as best I can. sweatdrop Though, again, if Zexion had escaped where would he have gone? Some distant world unexplored by Sora that he stumbed upon during a mission? Or even back to Ienzo's home of Radiant Garden to look for some long lost friend of his former self and blah blah blah?

Last point on Riku. True, he wouldn't have known right away. But, then, he could sniff him out on his own just as he did with Xehanort who technically had a stronger smell of darkness on him than regular Nobodies.

Eh, awaiting your comments.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:14 am


BlackFalcon002
I was playing CoM for what seemed like the billionth time, and I noticed something. Zexion never really dies. You think he's dead, because the Riku Replica starts advancing on him, and you hear him scream, but the screen is black. You never see him die.
That, and you don't know anything about him. You don't know his element or even his weapon. The most we know is that he can change his appearance (like when he changes into Sora).
And then, in KH2, in the Proof of Existence, all of the tombstones are cracked, sure, but Zexion's was completely shattered, and there's a huge gap where his weapon would have gone. It's completely plausible that he destroyed it himself to avoid detection....but maybe it's just wishful thinking. I love Zexion.
What do you think?

I think it is highly possible that he is still alive. And besides, Shiro Amano said that he had an idea of a weapon for Zexion, and since he didn't have one in CoM, he may be in KH3...

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BlackFalcon002

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:36 pm


Actually, his weapon is a book, I just found out....ergh....nothing like making a total kickass character a lot less meaningful than making him fight with a book....
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:51 am


BlackFalcon002
Actually, his weapon is a book, I just found out....ergh....nothing like making a total kickass character a lot less meaningful than making him fight with a book....


It reflects on his intellect. I rather adore the book. 3nodding

I'll finally find out what he sounds like! WOOT!! blaugh

RosesShadow

Shy Phantom


xX_Elysium_Xx

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:19 pm


his weapon is a book?
cool... xP
and his other power is to imitate others weapons
and to make clones of himself
you get to see his weapon in Re: Chain of Memories
BUT him being alive will be unknown for awhile...
maybe they'll show it in Re: Chain of Memories or
maybe we'll have to wait for KH3
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:37 pm


KH3 isn't on Sora's focus and those related to him. It's more on the Keyblade. The actual 'when' seems to be the past due to Xemnas' knight form and the armored figures shown in the secret movie.

If they're going to reveal anything about Zexion's disappearance, they better do it in FM:CoM.

RosesShadow

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:58 am


*nodds* agreed. it's better to do it now then later until it comes out in KH3
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:34 am


BlackFalcon002
Actually, his weapon is a book, I just found out....ergh....nothing like making a total kickass character a lot less meaningful than making him fight with a book....


Hey, books RAWK. mad
...And it's a lexicon, book-hater. xp

(jk on the meanieness wink )

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:33 pm


I know he had the book but as to weather it was his weapon or not I'm not sure...I read somewhere the (and it is true) you dont see his weapon at all throught the game...And that Tetsuya smashed his tombstone becasue he didn't want anyone knowing the weapon...its a possibility he's still alive and I wouldn't doubt it...but don't you think if he was...he'd be in KH2?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:56 pm


It could be just that tetsuya, at that point, didn't know what his weapon was, so just smashed the tombstone to hurry up the game.


Still...

Spoiler: But the whole thing with Axel was to convince the Replica that he could get stronger by finishing off other people. It could be that Axel and Zexion were working together, and they both wanted the Replica to try and finish off everyone in the castle.
And Zexion is perfectly capable of faking his death, with or without any help from the pyro.


Oh, and only totally kickass guys know how to kill someone with a book.

BlackFalcon002


RosesShadow

Shy Phantom

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:38 pm


Finally an update. xd

I wouldn't think Zex's Lexicon would be that much of a damper on the game's production. If he thought out weapons for the rest of the Org. then why not have Zex's out on stand by in KHII? Heck, Xemnas (though no one knew who he was at the time) was there with his...'lightsabers' in FM:KH. xd And that had quite a few years difference -enough for Tetsuya to plan out an outline for just one weapon with its respective owner. If anything, it was just a ploy to get us prepared for FM:KHII & CoM. 'Cause now we can stare at him as he floats around laughing in an actual battle.

~Now, the thing with Axel you mentioned. It's true that he manipulated the scenario in Castle Oblivion but seeking out aid would kind of mess things up. He was thinking on the spot for all I can tell -as when Larxene revealed that she was a part of the 'Org. revolution', for example. I have to wonder why he'd pick Zexion -who clearly refuses to do anything unless it's absolutely necessary.

Getting the Replica to 'finish off everyone in the castle' (save Sora) would really make things harder for him. As in the CoM manga (which I finally bought, thank goodness) they had chores to do. If you take living maintenance into consideration (wherever the two would run off to if they were working together) he'd go into 'glaring-death' mode if he was left with a majority of responsibilities. xd Then, also, the fact that he'd probably want to continue finding a way to get his heart back like the Org. originally wanted. So...

Axel was there to rid the Org of traitors and to go about his own needs. The Replica was created to fulfill Vexen's purpose of obtaining Sora until the Replica was taken away from him by Marluxia -thus, worry in the lower Castle of Mar's capabilities and the need of the real Riku to cancel out Sora (especially when the Replica went rouge). When Marluxia was defeated they didn't need Riku anymore and wanted to get rid of him in case he stirred up trouble.
Zexion can be seen as a traitor for going against the ways of the Org. without proper direction. (As in KHII they go for certain beings with strong hearts to use as weapons. Zexion just wanted him gone. I'm a little iffy on the Nobody-'birth' concept.) And with the Replica still around it would save Axel the time to get rid of him personally, instead goading him on until he brought about his own end.

Though, manga-wise, Riku brought him down...in one hit. Joy. xp They may not have hearts but they do have other vital organs....who somehow survive with a lack of the blood pumping organ. confused

Still can't get my head around Zexion faking his death...er, fading from his non-existance. He'd still need to worry about his lack of heart problems. The only place he had was the Org. -and Xemnas would be sure to know if he was still around and hunt him down. He worked with him at Radiant Garden so there'd be some sort of indication of his methods.
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