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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:22 pm
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Trite's mad. mad
Usually she doesn't get very made at one page document, but this THIS, hypocracy and irony just crosses all barriers.
Quote: Yet Lynn Ogren, who helps her husband run a sheep and cattle ranch, choked up with emotion as she explained her support for the ban. "I value every child's life, whether it's from a rape or not," she told her friends. "Who's fighting for these kids?"
Whose fighting for the already living breathing women, citizens of the united states who don't want to have your idelogy stuck up their a**?!
Quote: "We're David, they're Goliath," contended Leslee Unruh, head of the campaign group supporting the ban. Parked outside her VoteYesForLife.com office in Sioux Falls were cars with a blunt bumper sticker: "The Killing Stops Here." ~~~ Unruh, who had an abortion years ago that she now regrets, says momentum is turning as more voters hear her side's core message: Abortion hurts women. In the event of defeat, she vows to keep fighting. "Sometimes it's not about votes — it's about the truth," she said.
mad Don't pull the "my abortion is the only morral one and now I've regreted it" to save yourself.
What truth? excuse me, but your oppinion isn't TRUTH.Quote: Each side has recruited South Dakota rape victims to aid their campaigns. Connie Pich, impregnated by a rapist as a teenager in 1973, said victims must be able to choose freely whether to bear the child. On the pro-ban side, Megan Barnett has spoken at the Legislature and in campaign videos about how glad she is to have borne a daughter resulting from a rape. NOT EVREYONG LIKE KIDS LADY. Hell, If I was raped and forced to bare the kid, I might end up beating and killing the kid, because in my sub counscious, that is the face of my rapist. (not intended, but do to physcological damage)Quote: Barnett, in a telephone interview, expressed empathy with women in comparable plights, but said abortion shouldn't be an option. "Two wrongs don't make a right," she said. "It's a baby, whether you're raped or not. You need a choice both you and your baby can live with." So sex is a wrong? there is NO choice for you if you are forced to pop the kid out.Quote: "It's a sham," Nicolay said of the contraception provision. She noted that anti-abortion lawmakers quashed a measure this year that would have required hospitals to inform raped women that emergency contraception is available. Oh but it is, pretty soon they'll start something to ban EC.
.....argh! scream *EXPLODES*
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:39 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:45 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:47 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:09 pm
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Ah. So they are setting up an illegal law to create a test case for the Supreme Court to overthrow Roe vs Wade. They've attempted to do this before, it never works.
Every time something challenged Roe vs Wade, it has already prevailed. It is a very, very strong precedent, and many other cases cited it. I don't think it will ever be overturned. I have absolute faith in the Supreme Court, and I know that they will not overturn something that is very, very solid in the books.
Its solid law, they just can't overturn it on a whim. Plus, the Supreme Court does not vote some way because of their moral beliefs.
It won't happen. ------------------ My second problem is this:
"Oh! Something isn't going my way, so I'm going to leave the country."
Congratulations, you have forsaken all the women who you've been so adamantly defending this entire time. You should be proud...
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:19 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:22 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:47 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:59 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:07 pm
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nobhdy Trite~Elegy I don't know if it's that 'set in rock'. Nobhdy. quite a few people, including organizations like NARAL, (another ancronymn I''m forgetting) and planned parent hood, fear that if the conservatives republicans can appoint one more anti choicer justice to the supreme court - that Roe V wade could be over turned gonk I strongly feel that that fear is unfounded. Being well-versed in constitutional law, I really don't think that it can be, regardless of people's personal beliefs. That is not grounds for overturning a supreme court precedent. Come on, can you imagine the majority opinion that they would write? Chief Justice Roberts: "I am overturning Roe v Wade not on account of legal standards or even stare decisis, but rather strictly on the grounds that I believe it is wrong" Goddamn. I wish people would stop saying that. They decide cases based on law, not on belief. Its the supreme court, for God's sake.
True, but is it not an opinnion that murder is wrong?
It had to be otherwise it would not be illegal. plus most laws were made on oppinions and beliefs. so what's stopping the justices from saying "We believe the fetus to have personhood and therefore abortion is murder"
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:14 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:20 pm
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PhaedraMcSpiffy They probably can't overturn Roe v. Wade. What they can do, and what they are doing is eroding the right to abortion in each state. Sometimes it's a state ban, like in South Dakota, or sometimes it's something subtle and seemingly reasonable. Like parental notification or other specific restrictions. Sometimes it's not an attack on the legality of abortion, it's an attack on the availability of abortion. Roe v. Wade was a huge triumph. But one side effect of Roe v. Wade is that it's pissed off and mobilized the anti-choice side. Only this time they're smarter, sneakier and more powerful.
I disagree. They display a fundamental lack of understanding of the federal appeals system. Ergo, they are not smarter.
And...
Parental notification isn't an attempt to block abortion. It is simply an extension of the already existing law that states minors must have parental consent to have any sort of medical procedure.
I'll admit some lawmakers are using it as a tool to block abortion, but most are just pointing out the obvious extension of an already existing law. If you have a problem with it, you must change the parental consent law.
Why don't we change that law?
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:29 pm
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nobhdy PhaedraMcSpiffy They probably can't overturn Roe v. Wade. What they can do, and what they are doing is eroding the right to abortion in each state. Sometimes it's a state ban, like in South Dakota, or sometimes it's something subtle and seemingly reasonable. Like parental notification or other specific restrictions. Sometimes it's not an attack on the legality of abortion, it's an attack on the availability of abortion. Roe v. Wade was a huge triumph. But one side effect of Roe v. Wade is that it's pissed off and mobilized the anti-choice side. Only this time they're smarter, sneakier and more powerful. I disagree. They display a fundamental lack of understanding of the federal appeals system. Ergo, they are not smarter. And... Parental notification isn't an attempt to block abortion. It is simply an extension of the already existing law that states minors must have parental consent to have any sort of medical procedure. I'll admit some lawmakers are using it as a tool to block abortion, but most are just pointing out the obvious extension of an already existing law. If you have a problem with it, you must change the parental consent law. Why don't we change that law?
Smarter than they were before, not smarter than us.
And a teen can get medical attention without telling their parents. Why suddenly enforce laws on this specific area of healthcare?
They say that notification isn't an attempt to block abortion, or even the same thing as parental consent. I call bullshit on that! Don't you think that if this girl could trust her parents enough to tell them, she would? All it's going to do is help parents lock up their pregnant daughters and force them to give birth.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:33 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:28 pm
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