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Akshamala

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:35 pm


I saw this in one of the teen pregnancy guilds in the topic of abortion. Very sad but worth mentioning.

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This is quite likely to be one of the most upsetting things I will ever have to write to myself, or to anyone. I reret to say that tomorrow, my only child will face an unwelcome end before it ever had a chance to have a beginning. If I could say that this were unavoidable, I might not be feeling so down. But, unfortunately, this was a completely avoidable unpleasentness.

I am so sorry that your mother and I couldn't let you into our world. If it were up to me, there would have been no consideration and you would still be a fresh possibility in my mind. I never even got to know who you would be, sso I can't offer you the courtesy of a name, but.. Regardless, I love you more than you will ever know. You have had a profound influence in both my life and your mother's, though in the end I suppose it will be better to let you go. I know it wont matter anymore after tomorrow morning, there will be no life left to hold a grudge, but I still don't know how I am going to let myself sleep at night knowing I did absolutely nothing to even try to stop this. In my defense, there was nothing I could do..

I'm sorry I wont ever be able to hold you in my arms and call you my own. I have no intentions of staining your mother's image to myself or to anyone else, because regardless I still love her just as strongly as I would you. But, I can't help but feel a little resentful. I wish she could have been a little different, I wish she could have given you another chance. You had never let her down.. You never had the f**king chance to. Even after hearing your heartbeat, she couldn't keep it going.

Please, please forgive me. I never wanted this, and I still don't. I'm so sorry I couldn't do anything about it, i'm so sorry I couldn't save you. I have little say in this matter, you are growing inside your mother's body and if she wants to end it, I have no room to protest.

And if I have any others in the future, please understand. You came at a bad time, and as much as i'd like to keep you It is out of my hands. You will always be my first child, even if you never had a chance.

I love you.. Enjoy the next 20 hours. They are all you have left..


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:00 pm


i can't understand how this is still legal... it's simply so horrible, so tragic, hurts more than it saves, both physically and emotionally.

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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:03 pm


I'm both saddned, and insulted...

He says there will be nothign left after tomarrow...he knows just how wrong he is. He knows he will hurt over this for the rest of his life...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:08 pm


Repost.

I thought about psotign the article in quote form, but I figured it better to post the link too so oyu could browse the site afterward (its a christian site)

http://www.lifeissues.org/men/index.html

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January 22, 2003 marked the 30th anniversary of the US Supreme Court's decision to legalize abortion for any reason throughout the nine months of pregnancy. According to the abortion industry's own statistics, since that time, over 42 million babies have been sacrificed on the altar of "choice". Nearly half (48%) of all the women who abort, are having more than one. It is not that unusual to talk to young women who have had four or more abortions. This means that a significant percentage of the childbearing population in America is using abortion as a means of birth control.

With each passing year, the abortion industry adds to the growing mountain of tiny corpses, leaving in its wake, physical and emotional devastation. Stop for a moment to consider an often-surprising segment of society that has been victimized by abortion.

Kansas City Star Obituaries
June 5, 2002

Zachary Duncan Draper
December 2001 - May 17, 2002
Memorial services were held June 1, 2002, at D.W. Newcomer's Oaklawn Memorial Gardens, Olathe, KS. Zachary Duncan Draper was beautiful as his mother, loved by God and others. My little baby boy didn't make it to his Daddy's arms. I never got to hold and kiss him, tell him stories or read him rhymes. I love you Zachary and look forward to seeing you in heaven. Survivors include his father, Brad Draper of Kansas City, MO and his mother, of Overland Park, KS. (Arrangements: D.W. Newcomer's Sons Johnson County Funeral Chapel.)


Brad Draper was very excited about his girlfriend's pregnancy. He had seen ultra sound images of his son and was looking forward to fatherhood, until the mother aborted the baby without telling him.

Devastated, Brad honored Zachary by placing the above obituary in the paper and holding a memorial service. September 10, 2002, Zachary's due date, was more than he could endure. Brad went to the parking lot of the Planned Parenthood abortion clinic and shot himself in the head. He died later that night at a hospital.

There has been precious little research done to document post-abortion stress in the fathers of aborted babies. The most comprehensive study to date involved 1,000 men who completed questionnaires in 30 different abortion clinics as they waited for their partner's abortion, after which, follow up occurred. The result showed that eight percent or more have been deeply traumatized by the abortion.

That means we may have more than 3.2 million walking wounded, men who are struggling with very serious emotional baggage. Further, this may only be the tip of the iceberg because there are an untold number who are suffering significantly, but to a lesser extent.

God has blessed man with a desire to provide for and protect his family. A crucial part of providing for his family is success in the job environment. Today's society largely judges a man's success or failure based upon his career achievements. A man's self-esteem will often rise or fall on his success in this area. Providing for his family is central to a man's psyche. An equally powerful instinct is a man's desire to protect his family, which should not be underestimated.

When an abortion takes place, these crucial, God-given instincts are often damaged or totally obliterated. This is typically the reason that we see the onset of symptoms of post-abortion stress. They say that the conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good. The conscience, in a significant number of fathers who lose a child to abortion, kicks into overtime and wreaks emotional havoc.

In May 1996, a young man from Minneapolis was dating a woman with an 18-month-old daughter from a previous relationship. She became pregnant and he was elated. Tragically, without his knowledge or consent, she aborted their baby. Furious, he went to her house where an argument ensued and escalated. He pulled out a gun and said that because she killed his baby, he was going to kill hers. He then shot and killed the woman's daughter in front of the mother. Then, in another act of cruelty, he took his own life. He allowed the mother to live to grieve the loss of her two children - one born and one unborn.

Anger is one symptom that I believe is present in every father who experiences abortion. Further, this anger will cause a man to act negatively toward himself or someone around him, possibly an innocent bystander.

Early pioneers of counseling fathers with post-abortion stress have coined the term "hooking". A man may see, hear, smell or otherwise experiences something that triggers a memory of the abortion. This memory is then often translated into anger, which is usually directed at the nearest person, place or thing. This can be experienced subconsciously, leaving both the perpetrator and victim in the dark as to why this negative reaction has occurred.

In addition to anger, a man might experience grief, shame, guilt and remorse. Insomnia may be a constant companion, as well as an overwhelming feeling of helplessness and hopelessness. He may exhibit poor coping skills or an inability to make decisions. His very core, the ability to provide and protect, has been seriously shaken. As a result, he may have little trust or faith in his other abilities.

Most relationships fail after an abortion, and future relationships are often difficult or impossible. Trust dies - soon after the unborn baby - causing many men to be apprehensive about making themselves vulnerable to another pregnancy with no control of the outcome. Some men develop sexual dysfunctions. He may turn to pornography and sexual self-gratification, which provide physical satisfaction, free of the risk of commitment and pregnancy.

Alcohol and drug abuse are common tools to dull the pain. His low self-esteem may result in promiscuity or being a risk-taker - setting himself up for defeat and getting what he feels he deserves when he fails. He may become a workaholic to either avoid people and protect his closely held secret, or to desperately succeed in an important area of his life, countering his failure of protecting his offspring. Other symptoms may include flashbacks, nightmares or self-imposed isolation. Thoughts of suicide are not uncommon.

Generally, it is more difficult for a man than a woman to express his emotional feelings. If a man does not talk or grieve after the abortion, it will be more difficult for him to express his feelings later on. Once he builds a thick wall of secrecy and denial around him, it is harder to reach him emotionally.

Society provides little incentive for a man to grieve the loss of a child to abortion. First, mothers of aborted babies are afforded little sympathy from the professional psychological community. How much more will they refuse to acknowledge post-abortion stress in men? Secondly, society often implies that it is less than manly to cry or show emotions. Therefore, it is very difficult for a hurting man to grieve when there is a built-in bias against doing so.

Most often it is best to have a man counsel a post-abortive father. He needs a safe and minimally gender-neutral environment in which to become vulnerable. He needs to know that he will not be judged or condemned and that everything he shares will be held in the strictest of confidence. Allow him to grieve his loss and shame. Let him cry as much as he needs to. The grief is as real as that caused by the death of a two-year-old toddler. This was his child and, in his heart, he instinctively knows it.

Mark Twain said, "Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." This is truly poignant for post-abortive parents. A crucial aspect of post-abortion counseling is the realization of divine forgiveness. This paves the way for forgiving others and - sometimes the hardest step of all - himself. Several good Bible-based counseling guides are available and should be used.

Not long ago, a man in Southern California seemed to have intentionally barreled his car through the fence surrounding the playground of a daycare center. Among the chaos, he calmly sat behind the wheel of his Buick while children lay trapped underneath, bleeding and dying. Has a past abortion tormented him to the extent of irrationally acting out his anguish? Sadly, abortion most likely will not be considered as a possible mitigating factor. How many acts of violence, great and small, are in reality connected to a past abortion decision?

The grim fact is that fathers of aborted babies are all around us. Many suffer in silence as they struggle to get through each day. They sit uncomfortably in the pews of churches. They are in your church. You and I must reach out to these hurting fathers in love and let them know that, through Christ, there is hope and healing.

Bradley Mattes is a 27- year veteran of the pro-life movement. He is the Executive Director of Life Issues Institute, an international source of pro-life materials and information. Brad counsels and provides a referral system for post-abortive men, and has written and lectured internationally on this topic.





Recommended reading:
Fatherhood Aborted, by Guy Condon and David Hazard. Order Fatherhood Aborted

Men and Abortion, by C. T. Coyle, Ph.D. available through Life Cycle Books, www.lifecyclebooks.com

Men Hurt Too, brochure by Bradley Mattes, available through Hayes Publishing, http://hayespub.tripod.com


If any choicer thinks this isn't also a male issue, that men arnt affected, and shouldent be affected, then I will trully be convinced that those "choicers" live in a self made fantasy world.

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Lady_Amalthea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:34 am


You know, I've talked to a lot of pro-choicers about the issue of men who want the child and they always rebuttal with, "But he isn't the one who has to carry it", or "He shouldn't have had sex with a pro-choicer" etc.
This is part of the cold, heartless, mentality of the pro-choice crowd. I know this, as a fact, because I used to be vocally pro-choice so I know what kind of ideology they have and I'm so ashamed I used to think like that too cry
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:07 am


Lady_Amalthea
You know, I've talked to a lot of pro-choicers about the issue of men who want the child and they always rebuttal with, "But he isn't the one who has to carry it", or "He shouldn't have had sex with a pro-choicer" etc.
This is part of the cold, heartless, mentality of the pro-choice crowd. I know this, as a fact, because I used to be vocally pro-choice so I know what kind of ideology they have and I'm so ashamed I used to think like that too cry

I can't speak for anyone but myself, and I won't try to.

But it is sad that this man, who wanted this pregnancy to continue and wanted to raise and love the resulting child, did not get that chance.

But I would disagree that EITHER side of this issue is "cold" or "heartless". I would also say that we have no idea what the woman involved is/was feeling, or what situation led her to make the choice she did.

If you feel that when you were "vocally pro-choice" your mentality was "cold" and "heartless", I can't tell you that is or isn't true. If you would have told this grieving man that "he shouldn't have had sex with a pro-choicer" I would have probably called you a little cold, as I would to anyone who made such a mean and horrible remark to a grieving person.

But I can honestly say that I wouldn't tell him, or anyone else that. I have adviced men who are against abortion to make sure that they don't have sex with women who are Pro-Choice, so they won't be in this tearful, difficult situation. But it isn't as though this poor guy can do anything about his previous choice after the fact.

I think that situations like this are horrible. When one person involved wants to keep a pregnancy and the other doesn't, there is always going to be heartache. I hope for a fool-proof 100% effective form of contraceptive (as well as financial help for pregnant women and children living in poverty), that will (hopefully) keep this sort of mess from ever happening again.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:48 pm


WatersMoon110
I hope for a fool-proof 100% effective form of contraceptive (as well as financial help for pregnant women and children living in poverty), that will (hopefully) keep this sort of mess from ever happening again.


Or at least one that's 99% effective and free. Or 99% effective and doesn't triple your risk of heart disease? OH WAIT THOSE ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE TO MEN.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:48 pm


Those are heartbreaking stories. The problem is that pro-choicers who espouse the idea that men shouldn't and don't have the right to have a say in abortion also don't believe that that baby is a human being. They think that's the end of the argument and never mind that that person over there believes it is a person and feels as if they just lost a child. It's as much disrespect for men's rights as it is for the baby's.




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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:38 pm


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I hope for a fool-proof 100% effective form of contraceptive (as well as financial help for pregnant women and children living in poverty), that will (hopefully) keep this sort of mess from ever happening again.


Or at least one that's 99% effective and free. Or 99% effective and doesn't triple your risk of heart disease? OH WAIT THOSE ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE TO MEN.

I'll stop ranting while the snark's still at normal levels... stare

Are you talking about condoms or the male birth control pill? Because condoms are very effective, but not fool-proof, and I don't think the male birth control is out yet. And free condoms are much more likely to have defects than the ones you pay (a lot) for.

Oh! And there are female condoms (which are increadably expensive) which are made of poly-eurothane (I spelled that wrong), so good for people with latex alergies. But these are less fool-proof, since people will likely be tempted to use them along with male condoms, and that makes them both much more likely to break.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:39 pm


Abortion is sexist. Incredibly sexist. It gives women the power to kill a man's child, and be legally protected.

It also gives women an "out" from pregnancy, giving men no such option.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:44 pm


Ava R.
Those are heartbreaking stories. The problem is that pro-choicers who espouse the idea that men shouldn't and don't have the right to have a say in abortion also don't believe that that baby is a human being. They think that's the end of the argument and never mind that that person over there believes it is a person and feels as if they just lost a child. It's as much disrespect for men's rights as it is for the baby's.

For most Pro-Choicers I know (though I do know some that would agree with you) men do have a right to influence women about an unwanted pregnancy. I, as well as others, believe that the woman should get the final say, but that the man should and does have the right to do everything thing in his power to convince her that one choice or another is better for both of them.

And the terms "human being" and "person" mean many things to many different people. Some go by the current legal definition of "person" while others follow a common or personal ethical definition.

I don't feel that allowing the woman a choice disrespects the man's rights, though I do agree that it can hurt a man's feelings and deeply effect him when the two disagree. Though I am sure that we disagree on this, since you just stated as much.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:48 pm


Mcphee
Abortion is sexist. Incredibly sexist. It gives women the power to kill a man's child, and be legally protected.

Yes. Unfortunately, Nature is also sexist.
Mcphee
It also gives women an "out" from pregnancy, giving men no such option.

I more than agree with you there. I think that both people involved should be allowed to give up parental rights during a pregnancy. The man with a legal contract that gives up all rights and responsibilities to the child (which must be signed by both during the first trimester and a half or so), with any contested cases being descided in court (which would have to be a very special court that moves insanely quickly, so that the pregnancy wouldn't be over before the case was heard).

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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:05 pm


Hmmm..I disagree. No agreement is sighned by both man and woman when a woman decides to abort. If that be the case then a man not opting to be a father should have every right to say "My DNA, sure. Not my kid though, not my problem."

Not moral, mabey. But fair. Woman can opt not to be mothers by having abortions. Men should be able to have a similer right. Sadly, they do not.

Of coarse there comes about the problem when the woman wants the child. She feels she can force her opinoins oin the man. Its his child too she will say. Its his flesh and blood as well. Well, he didn't have to carrey it for nine months, he didn't have to feed it for nine months. He didn't do any of the work other then puign it there. Why then when so many woman say he can't have a say during the nine motnhs of growth and development before birth should responcibility be suddenly forced on him when the child is born?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:22 pm


Tiger of the Fire
Hmmm..I disagree. No agreement is sighned by both man and woman when a woman decides to abort. If that be the case then a man not opting to be a father should have every right to say "My DNA, sure. Not my kid though, not my problem."

Not moral, mabey. But fair. Woman can opt not to be mothers by having abortions. Men should be able to have a similer right. Sadly, they do not.

Of coarse there comes about the problem when the woman wants the child. She feels she can force her opinoins oin the man. Its his child too she will say. Its his flesh and blood as well. Well, he didn't have to carrey it for nine months, he didn't have to feed it for nine months. He didn't do any of the work other then puign it there. Why then when so many woman say he can't have a say during the nine motnhs of growth and development before birth should responcibility be suddenly forced on him when the child is born?

Didn't I just say that?

Are you objecting to the "signed by both" part? I meant that the woman would have to sign that she saw it (like divorce papers). And that any case where she wouldn't, she would have to plead her case why the man shouldn't be allowed to give up legal rights (not the man pleading why he should be able to give up rights, the responsibility would be hers to prove that he either agreed to parent the future child or that she would be unable to raise it without his help - which hopefully by then the government would again give more help to pregnant women and children living in poverty).

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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:34 pm


Yes. I disagree to any papers what so ever. The mans word should be more then good enough to give up fathe rhood if a woman's word is the same for an abortion. If a woman agree to be a mother and then suddenly decides to abort she dosn't even have to tell her husband or boyfriend and no responcibilty or consoquence is placed on her. But when a man does the same he gets slapped with child support. No, not fair.

Would you agree that a woman seekign to abort the child he wishes to keep and raise should be held ot the same standards if such a system were implimented? It still would not create a fairness and equality standard if not. He would have to prove he never intended to be a father if she pleads to a court, where he would still have no say over whether or not she can abort.
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