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 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:32 pm
I used to tell myself - while I was taking French - that fluency meant being able to be dropped in the middle of Paris and get my way out. Definitely with my Italian now, I can get out of Rome with no problems, and have a meal along the way. But even after four years of studying it, I don't feel I have fluency. My speaking is halted, erratic, and my vocabulary is definitely not up to par.
What do you think? What's your definition of fluency?
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:43 pm
Fluency = automatic. Everything occurs automatically. You don't have to think much about grammatical topics; how to conjugate a verb, prepostitions, etc.
I think of it more as having the skills to get the news/info and being able to strike up a converstaion with a random person.
I consider myself fluent in written Spanish because my fingers type/write as fast as I think. When I try to speak however, it's more complex. I need to keep thinking. sweatdrop
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Spanish Nerd Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:31 pm
I see fluency as the ability to convert ideas directly out of queria and into a language without having to filter it through another language first. whee 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:48 am
You're fluent when you reach that point where you don't have to think too much to form a sentence; it just comes naturally to you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:55 am
You're fluent in a language when you don't think about grammar and all the stuff like that, for example I'd say I'm fluent in English because when I speak/write in english, I think in english, I don't translate and I don't think "a verb is -ing because it's an action I'm doing at the moment" or some like that.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:26 am
I usually just think of it as being able to hold a normal conversation without having to consult a dictionary every few seconds. I guess it really means that you can say what you want to say without having to consciously think about the grammar. I've got to the point where I sometimes have to make an effort to not automatically translate my thoughts into dutch, but I still wouldn't say I'm quite fluent. spanishnerd99 being able to strike up a converstaion with a random person. Then I guess I'm not fluent in anything. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:48 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:58 am
spanishnerd99 Fluency = automatic. Everything occurs automatically. You don't have to think much about grammatical topics; how to conjugate a verb, prepostitions, etc. I think of it more as having the skills to get the news/info and being able to strike up a converstaion with a random person. I consider myself fluent in written Spanish because my fingers type/write as fast as I think. When I try to speak however, it's more complex. I need to keep thinking. sweatdrop But doesn't fluency also mean a good vocabulary? *shrug* domokun <- random
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:36 pm
What everyone else has said, pretty much - being able to speak without thinking about grammar or constantly having to search for words.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:49 pm
Someone that can read write and speak the language and understand it and is able to communicate when some comes up and starts talking to them.
I can read basic Japanese like Hiragana, remember most of katakana and know some Kanji but since I don't fully understand it, can't really have a converstation yet or write sentences then I say i'm not fluent yet.
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:39 am
DavidGemmell spanishnerd99 being able to strike up a converstaion with a random person. Then I guess I'm not fluent in anything. sweatdrop Same here. gonk Mouth...glued...shut!
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:02 pm
Eccentric Iconoclast DavidGemmell spanishnerd99 being able to strike up a converstaion with a random person. Then I guess I'm not fluent in anything. sweatdrop Same here. gonk Mouth...glued...shut!
Same here. xp
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:48 am
I don't think fluency is a technical thing, a physical thing. Fluency for me is a confidence in the language, a mental click where your mind shifts from your mother tongue to another. You don't need to know grammar or letters to be fluent, I think.
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:36 am
War Noise I don't think fluency is a technical thing, a physical thing. Fluency for me is a confidence in the language, a mental click where your mind shifts from your mother tongue to another. You don't need to know grammar or letters to be fluent, I think.
In that case, I would be fluent. But no I am not because I hardly know any grammar for any language! (Besides English of course)
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:32 am
Hermonie Urameshi War Noise I don't think fluency is a technical thing, a physical thing. Fluency for me is a confidence in the language, a mental click where your mind shifts from your mother tongue to another. You don't need to know grammar or letters to be fluent, I think.
In that case, I would be fluent. But no I am not because I hardly know any grammar for any language! (Besides English of course)
I find that when I go to other places, grammar isn't essential, unless I plan to work there, in which case you learn it right away through conversation. Have you travelled before?
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