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How important is symbolism to Gundam Wing's MS?
Extremely important; symbolism reflects in every facet of every MS.
30%
 30%  [ 6 ]
Very important; it's a major factor in the design.
40%
 40%  [ 8 ]
Somewhat important; they played at least some role.
30%
 30%  [ 6 ]
Not very important; maybe minor elements, but nothing really big.
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Not important at all; it's just a coincidence.
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Total Votes : 20


Preventer Void
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:12 pm


Here's a discussion idea I got while lying in bed last night, trying to get to sleep (that's often where my best ideas come from...). Anyway, I love mecha, but I'm well aware that not everyone enjoys deep technical discussions, so that sort of thing is out. Well, here's how we can talk about them without getting into lots of confusing specifics.

Gundam Wing is often derided by "more serious" fans who accuse the MS designs of being unrealistic and fanciful. Such accusations include the idea that the Leo is the weakest mobile suit ever made (even when compared to designs like the Zaku I and the GINN), and that the Wing Gundams are essentially Super Robots, wreaking havoc the like of which has never been seen since Getter Robo Armageddon (if you've seen it, you know what I mean).

But there is something that is often ignored by these detractors: many of the people involved in Gundam Wing's production, most notably director Ikeda and character designer Murase, had previously worked on shounen anime, in particular Yoroiden Samurai Troopers (known in the USA as Ronin Warriors). Fans of this series will note the symbolism derived from the main cast and their mystical armors: the hot-blooded, passionate Ryo uses the Rekka (Wildfire) armor, the cool-headed Shin/Cye uses the Suiko (Torrent) armor, and the strong, reliable Xu Ren Fuan (Kento) uses the Kingou (Hardrock) armor.

Therefore, it seems highly likely that Gundam Wing, which had many staff members in common with Samurai Troopers, would include elements of this symbolism, but with the mobile suits that helped put the Gundam franchise on the map. This topic is dedicated to the analysis and discussion of such symbolism, perhaps in a weekly format in which a different MS or set of MS is examined each week.

CASE 1 - WING GUNDAM/WING GUNDAM ZERO

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Wing as a hero - First and foremost, Wing Gundam shows obvious design elements of its predecessors, marking it as the star of the series. Obvious influences include the famous tri-color scheme (white with blue, red and yellow details), the standard Gundam setup (rifle, saber, shield), while retaining the same basic style that most hero Gundams have exhibited since 1979.

Wing as a symbol of freedom - Despite his portrayal as an emotionless soldier among some parts of the fandom, Heero is constantly shown as having complete control over his life. Nobody forced him to become a Gundam pilot; he chose the job himself. He chose not to follow Dekim's Operation Meteor. He chose to put his life in the hands of his victims following Noventa's murder. A constant refrain of his, learned from Odin Lowe, is that the best way to live is by one's emotions. Perhaps Wing is intended to symbolize this, since many cultures consider flight to be the ultimate freedom, and wings are an integral element of flight.

Wing as a guardian angel - Though it's more obvious in Endless Waltz, it could be argued that all along, Wing was meant to be a guardian angel. Zero was originally devised as the colonists' ultimate weapon - and their first defense against Romafeller's potential advances in the future. An important symbolic gesture towards this comes in episode 6, when Heero literally shields Relena from falling debris. Also noteworthy is the fact that all three versions - Wing, Zero, and Zero Custom - are often depicted with wings spread, as in the traditional pose of a guardian angel sweeping down from Heaven.

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts? Comments? Observations? Cookies?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:13 pm


The symbolism with Wing is definitely more noticeable when you see Zero Custom, because the wings look almost feathery. I really do agree, and I think that each MS reflects a different aspect of Wing, aside from the pilot, but we can get into that later.

I like the thought of Wing as a symbol of freedom. Heero has never really had restrictions put on him except for the ones he puts on himself. However, I think that the symbol of protection is much more evident. Heero likes to protect others in a sense, and even at the end of EW he watches over Relena. I think the important thing is that he's never really there - he watches over others, but tries not to interfere with them.

Or something along those lines. ^^;;

Kalaeris


Unmei_no_LaLuna
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:58 am


wow those are really in depth looks at the overall design of the many incarnations of Wing. and I can pretty much agree with you all the way around. I'll have to look more in detail to at the Wing series to see what observations I can pull up for myself.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:07 am


Just a note, I made my own thread for Mobile Suit and Gundam discussion just in case anyone is interested in talking there.

Robin the Aussie


Oreasa
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:58 pm


Well here's my go at this. Forgive me if its not as in depth or as good as the others mentioned.

I believe that Deathscythe is the symbolism of, well, Death. It's demonic and dark appearence shows just how cruel war can be. How demonic humans can be. It is the embodiement of all the sorrow and pain that wars cause. Hense why its pilot is a war-orphan.
People fear it because of its dark appearance and hopefully that causes them to fear war. I believe that Deathscythe's appearance was done to make people see all the bad parts of war and why they should not be taken lightly.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:35 pm


CASE 2 - GUNDAM DEATHSCYTHE

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The symbolism of Deathscythe is obvious to anyone who's seen the series, but there's more to it than meets the eye. Consider this...

Deathscythe as the Reaper tamed - Death is one of the greatest phobias in our time, and why not? We fear the unknown, and death is the greatest unknown of all: is there a Heaven, or will everything just end? Do I have a soul, or does it stop with just my rotting corpse? In one way, Deathscythe can be thought of as an attempt to control and tame Death. Instead of being a mysterious force, it appears as a super-powerful robot, and under the control of someone who has had a lot of experience with death in the past. In this way, perhaps Duo seeks to control and defeat the spectre that has tormented him his entire life and bring an end to the torment.

Deathscythe as the Reaper unleashed - This one sounds obvious, but it's not quite what it sounds. In opposition to the above idea, this philosophy represents Death as a wild, uncontrollable force that strikes when we least expect it and robs us of everything. Deathscythe certainly fits that description, as not only one of the feared Gundams, but as a high-level stealth machine. Instead of being controlled, this philosophy emphasizes the notion that Death is mysterious and could strike at any time; you never know when you'll hear the sound of that scythe blade powering up, and those pounding footsteps behind you...

Deathscythe as a guardian devil - We've looked at two more familiar aspects of Death, but this philosophy is a role which probably nobody thought about when considering the Reaper. Much like Wing Zero, Deathscythe could be looked at as a sort of guardian angel, but from the other end of the spectrum. While Zero guards by protecting the innocent, Deathscythe guards by destroying the guilty. This rather ironic philosophy makes Duo a bit of a hypocrate; he kills in order to live. However, given the madness of the war, it really is kill or be killed.

So, which of these sounds the most reasonable to you guys?

Preventer Void
Vice Captain


Kalaeris

PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:19 pm


I prefer to see Deathscythe as the Reaper unleashed, just because to the common folk, the Reaper unleashed is just so much more of an effective, realistic comparison to Deathscythe. It's almost like giving a taste of the chaotic reality to those shut up in their own little worlds.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:36 pm


Kalaeris
I prefer to see Deathscythe as the Reaper unleashed, just because to the common folk, the Reaper unleashed is just so much more of an effective, realistic comparison to Deathscythe. It's almost like giving a taste of the chaotic reality to those shut up in their own little worlds.
I see it that way too and also when Duo piloted the Zero in "The God of Death Meets Zero"
He freaked out when just seeing one Deathscythe Hell coming at him, then when he saw numerous ones of them, why would he be affraid of his own Gundam for?
Because it symbolizes death just like the Grim Reaper would do, so Duo's mind thought to him there was a chance he could die.
And in a sense that almost happened but not quite, still it says something.

Robin the Aussie


Oreasa
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:45 pm


I like the guardian devil idea. It puts Heero as the judge and Duo as the executioner. Although, it does put him as a hypocrite what human isn't a hypocrite. Duo, destroyer of the guilty. Almost makes it seem like Duo has a better sense of justice than Wufei. It makes me smile.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:23 am


Hm next one to move on to what would Heavyarms symbolize if anything?

Shenlong and Altron are obvious god dragons, something of immense power and myth.

Sandrock is just a representation of the desert of its harshness but at the same time the pilot respects and values life itself of people and living beings.

So what does Heavyarms symbolize is the question in my mind.

Robin the Aussie


Kalaeris

PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:47 pm


It's almost like Heavyarms shows the futility of 'all talk and no action'... when the enemy finally catches you in their trap and you can't fire at them insults from a distance, what do you have to rely on but one small blade? But that's not really in relation to Trowa and Wing...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:14 pm


Kalaeris
It's almost like Heavyarms shows the futility of 'all talk and no action'... when the enemy finally catches you in their trap and you can't fire at them insults from a distance, what do you have to rely on but one small blade? But that's not really in relation to Trowa and Wing...
True the better person to ask would be Doktor S.

It's obvious where the dragon themes came from with Wufei's Gundam.

Robin the Aussie


Kalaeris

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:21 am


Yeah. The real question is, what about Epyon? I think all the Gundams are pretty clear about what they resemble. Things like Epyon and Tallgeese, however, are another matter. Does the word 'Epyon' actually mean anything?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:01 am


Kalaeris
Yeah. The real question is, what about Epyon? I think all the Gundams are pretty clear about what they resemble. Things like Epyon and Tallgeese, however, are another matter. Does the word 'Epyon' actually mean anything?
If you read the profile on www.mahq.net it says that Epyon is Greek for Next.
So it's the next Gundam made a new generation one based off the data off the origional 5 and Tallgeese(before Zero came around)

Robin the Aussie


Kalaeris

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:13 pm


Thanks! I vaguely remembered reading something like that... that makes a lot of sense. So is Epyon supposed to represent the future, or the development?
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