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 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:43 pm
.....that disproving one extreme idea of one extremist group of Christians is disproving the existence of God Himself.
For example: "These Christians think the Earth is flat!!!!1!!one~!! That's so stupid!! I can't believe Christians think the Earth is flat, they're crazy!"
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:14 pm
Well...not all atheists are like that. Your question works in reverse. Why do non-extremist Christians just whine about how all atheists think they're superior and whatnot? Example: "Oh great, look at Atheist Alan, getting all smart in Sunday School. Atheists are just jerks." There are always people in certain "groups" that make the rest look bad. I'm atheist myself but I like to learn about religions; they interest me. It isn't that I hate Christianity or Christians, I just have my own opinions. And it isn't just one idea, (I can't speak for every atheist, of course), but the inconsistencies of several that generally create atheists.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:16 pm
I can't speak for the masses, but some people love to think that they are right. and because fo that everything else is wrong.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:28 pm
Mr Never Smiles Well...not all atheists are like that. Your question works in reverse. Why do non-extremist Christians just whine about how all atheists think they're superior and whatnot? Example: "Oh great, look at Atheist Alan, getting all smart in Sunday School. Atheists are just jerks." There are always people in certain "groups" that make the rest look bad. I'm atheist myself but I like to learn about religions; they interest me. It isn't that I hate Christianity or Christians, I just have my own opinions. And it isn't just one idea, (I can't speak for every atheist, of course), but the inconsistencies of several that generally create atheists. Well that's why I put the word "some" in the thread title. wink
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:22 pm
Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:24 pm
Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hay!!!
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:27 pm
Southern_cross_nemesis Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hay!!! Well, it's true. You might have claimed you would never... do something, and then do it. Might not have been a big thing, but you were proud of saying you would never do it, and then you did.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:38 pm
Qyp Southern_cross_nemesis Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hay!!! Well, it's true. You might have claimed you would never... do something, and then do it. Might not have been a big thing, but you were proud of saying you would never do it, and then you did. I was just saying Hay biggrin Don't worry, I partially agree with you...
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:55 pm
Southern_cross_nemesis Qyp Southern_cross_nemesis Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hay!!! Well, it's true. You might have claimed you would never... do something, and then do it. Might not have been a big thing, but you were proud of saying you would never do it, and then you did. I was just saying Hay biggrin Don't worry, I partially agree with you... Hay is for horses.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:19 pm
Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hypocrisy as defined by Webster's Online Dictionary: 1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion 2: an act or instance of hypocrisy Considering this I think I disagree with your statement, Qyp. Though hypocrites can be found in many religious groups as well as some anti-religious groups, by these definitions your example given to Southern_Cross_Nemesis isn't quite right. Claiming you'll never do something then doing it proves a lie, but if it doesn't involve feigning to be something or believe something it isn't really hypocrisy. For example when I was younger I swore I would never smoke. Smoking is bad for people's health, it damages the lungs and stenches up a room. However I did some research on smoking pipes as opposed to cigarettes, compared the two methods, found that smoking a pipe is much healthier (still not a good habit) and took to smoking a pipe. Now I smoke a pipe whereas when I was young I said I would never smoke. My beliefs and opinions remain the same: It is unhealthy, it is a bad habit, and I try not to encourage others to smoke. By definition this isn't hypocrisy because my beliefs and opinions remain the same. A better example of hypocrisy might be to describe the people who threaten anyone they deem a non-Christian with hellfire while committing acts that prove or at least suggest they aren't really Christian. Another, the people who lecture others about not reading the bible when you can ask them a few simple questions to prove they haven't read it themselves. These reflect beliefs that are being expressed in the form of judgement on others while not showing any sign, or perhaps providing evidence against, the reality of the accuser's own supposed faith. With those examples of hypocrisy and going by the definition provided by Webster, I would say not everyone is a hypocrite. Stretching the definition of hypocrisy to the socially accepted one, simply saying one thing and doing another, I do agree. Parents especially tend to be hypocrites and our government is led entirely by them.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:24 pm
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hypocrisy as defined by Webster's Online Dictionary: 1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion 2: an act or instance of hypocrisy Considering this I think I disagree with your statement, Qyp. Though hypocrites can be found in many religious groups as well as some anti-religious groups, by these definitions your example given to Southern_Cross_Nemesis isn't quite right. Claiming you'll never do something then doing it proves a lie, but if it doesn't involve feigning to be something or believe something it isn't really hypocrisy. For example when I was younger I swore I would never smoke. Smoking is bad for people's health, it damages the lungs and stenches up a room. However I did some research on smoking pipes as opposed to cigarettes, compared the two methods, found that smoking a pipe is much healthier (still not a good habit) and took to smoking a pipe. Now I smoke a pipe whereas when I was young I said I would never smoke. My beliefs and opinions remain the same: It is unhealthy, it is a bad habit, and I try not to encourage others to smoke. By definition this isn't hypocrisy because my beliefs and opinions remain the same. A better example of hypocrisy might be to describe the people who threaten anyone they deem a non-Christian with hellfire while committing acts that prove or at least suggest they aren't really Christian. Another, the people who lecture others about not reading the bible when you can ask them a few simple questions to prove they haven't read it themselves. These reflect beliefs that are being expressed in the form of judgement on others while not showing any sign, or perhaps providing evidence against, the reality of the accuser's own supposed faith. With those examples of hypocrisy and going by the definition provided by Webster, I would say not everyone is a hypocrite. Stretching the definition of hypocrisy to the socially accepted one, simply saying one thing and doing another, I do agree. Parents especially tend to be hypocrites and our government is led entirely by them. So the founder of that Kony thing being all christian until he runs around the streets naked and drunk would be hypocrisy?
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:33 pm
Qyp Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hypocrisy as defined by Webster's Online Dictionary: 1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion 2: an act or instance of hypocrisy Considering this I think I disagree with your statement, Qyp. Though hypocrites can be found in many religious groups as well as some anti-religious groups, by these definitions your example given to Southern_Cross_Nemesis isn't quite right. Claiming you'll never do something then doing it proves a lie, but if it doesn't involve feigning to be something or believe something it isn't really hypocrisy. For example when I was younger I swore I would never smoke. Smoking is bad for people's health, it damages the lungs and stenches up a room. However I did some research on smoking pipes as opposed to cigarettes, compared the two methods, found that smoking a pipe is much healthier (still not a good habit) and took to smoking a pipe. Now I smoke a pipe whereas when I was young I said I would never smoke. My beliefs and opinions remain the same: It is unhealthy, it is a bad habit, and I try not to encourage others to smoke. By definition this isn't hypocrisy because my beliefs and opinions remain the same. A better example of hypocrisy might be to describe the people who threaten anyone they deem a non-Christian with hellfire while committing acts that prove or at least suggest they aren't really Christian. Another, the people who lecture others about not reading the bible when you can ask them a few simple questions to prove they haven't read it themselves. These reflect beliefs that are being expressed in the form of judgement on others while not showing any sign, or perhaps providing evidence against, the reality of the accuser's own supposed faith. With those examples of hypocrisy and going by the definition provided by Webster, I would say not everyone is a hypocrite. Stretching the definition of hypocrisy to the socially accepted one, simply saying one thing and doing another, I do agree. Parents especially tend to be hypocrites and our government is led entirely by them. So the founder of that Kony thing being all christian until he runs around the streets naked and drunk would be hypocrisy? That or insanity. I looked him up since I hadn't heard of him before and he looks like a cult leader type. From what I've seen and heard cult leaders are almost always hypocrites. They preach one thing and do another, usually claiming to believe everything they preach and encouraging others to do the same. The part that is hypocrisy is the fact that they don't believe it themselves. Based on what little I read I would say he is either a hypocrite or at least a little insane. Edit: Should be clear, do you mean Joseph Kony? Double Edit: I would like to modify what I said before about agreeing... The socially accepted definition of hypocrisy is telling someone else not to do something, or that they should do something, then not doing it or doing it yourself (depending on what you said, but it's the opposite of what you told the other person). So, being a smoker, if I tell other people they shouldn't smoke because it isn't healthy then smoke my pipe, I am being a hypocrite. However I don't tell people what they should or shouldn't do specifically for that reason, instead I just let people know the risks if they ask. I don't consider simply saying "I won't [something]" then doing it to be an act of hypocrisy if it doesn't express what other people should/shouldn't do or involves the morals/beliefs of whoever says it. And one more thing, there are still tribal societies existing in which the people would not have a reason to fake any religious or moral beliefs, wouldn't have a reason to say one thing then do another, and wouldn't have a reason to tell others to do something then not do it themselves. Considering that fact it is illogical to assume everyone is a hypocrite by any possible definition.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:57 pm
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hypocrisy as defined by Webster's Online Dictionary: 1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion 2: an act or instance of hypocrisy Considering this I think I disagree with your statement, Qyp. Though hypocrites can be found in many religious groups as well as some anti-religious groups, by these definitions your example given to Southern_Cross_Nemesis isn't quite right. Claiming you'll never do something then doing it proves a lie, but if it doesn't involve feigning to be something or believe something it isn't really hypocrisy. For example when I was younger I swore I would never smoke. Smoking is bad for people's health, it damages the lungs and stenches up a room. However I did some research on smoking pipes as opposed to cigarettes, compared the two methods, found that smoking a pipe is much healthier (still not a good habit) and took to smoking a pipe. Now I smoke a pipe whereas when I was young I said I would never smoke. My beliefs and opinions remain the same: It is unhealthy, it is a bad habit, and I try not to encourage others to smoke. By definition this isn't hypocrisy because my beliefs and opinions remain the same. A better example of hypocrisy might be to describe the people who threaten anyone they deem a non-Christian with hellfire while committing acts that prove or at least suggest they aren't really Christian. Another, the people who lecture others about not reading the bible when you can ask them a few simple questions to prove they haven't read it themselves. These reflect beliefs that are being expressed in the form of judgement on others while not showing any sign, or perhaps providing evidence against, the reality of the accuser's own supposed faith. With those examples of hypocrisy and going by the definition provided by Webster, I would say not everyone is a hypocrite. Stretching the definition of hypocrisy to the socially accepted one, simply saying one thing and doing another, I do agree. Parents especially tend to be hypocrites and our government is led entirely by them. So the founder of that Kony thing being all christian until he runs around the streets naked and drunk would be hypocrisy? That or insanity. I looked him up since I hadn't heard of him before and he looks like a cult leader type. From what I've seen and heard cult leaders are almost always hypocrites. They preach one thing and do another, usually claiming to believe everything they preach and encouraging others to do the same. The part that is hypocrisy is the fact that they don't believe it themselves. Based on what little I read I would say he is either a hypocrite or at least a little insane. Edit: Should be clear, do you mean Joseph Kony? Double Edit: I would like to modify what I said before about agreeing... The socially accepted definition of hypocrisy is telling someone else not to do something, or that they should do something, then not doing it or doing it yourself (depending on what you said, but it's the opposite of what you told the other person). So, being a smoker, if I tell other people they shouldn't smoke because it isn't healthy then smoke my pipe, I am being a hypocrite. However I don't tell people what they should or shouldn't do specifically for that reason, instead I just let people know the risks if they ask. I don't consider simply saying "I won't [something]" then doing it to be an act of hypocrisy if it doesn't express what other people should/shouldn't do or involves the morals/beliefs of whoever says it. And one more thing, there are still tribal societies existing in which the people would not have a reason to fake any religious or moral beliefs, wouldn't have a reason to say one thing then do another, and wouldn't have a reason to tell others to do something then not do it themselves. Considering that fact it is illogical to assume everyone is a hypocrite by any possible definition. The founder of this "charity" is a scam artist... claims to be christian. Also, the name of the Charity has been renamed to "Kony 2012" when it's like 6-7 years old. Also, wouldn't a hypocrite be one of those people that are like "Do as I say, not as I do"?
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:25 am
Qyp Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Qyp Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite. Hypocrisy as defined by Webster's Online Dictionary: 1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion 2: an act or instance of hypocrisy Considering this I think I disagree with your statement, Qyp. Though hypocrites can be found in many religious groups as well as some anti-religious groups, by these definitions your example given to Southern_Cross_Nemesis isn't quite right. Claiming you'll never do something then doing it proves a lie, but if it doesn't involve feigning to be something or believe something it isn't really hypocrisy. For example when I was younger I swore I would never smoke. Smoking is bad for people's health, it damages the lungs and stenches up a room. However I did some research on smoking pipes as opposed to cigarettes, compared the two methods, found that smoking a pipe is much healthier (still not a good habit) and took to smoking a pipe. Now I smoke a pipe whereas when I was young I said I would never smoke. My beliefs and opinions remain the same: It is unhealthy, it is a bad habit, and I try not to encourage others to smoke. By definition this isn't hypocrisy because my beliefs and opinions remain the same. A better example of hypocrisy might be to describe the people who threaten anyone they deem a non-Christian with hellfire while committing acts that prove or at least suggest they aren't really Christian. Another, the people who lecture others about not reading the bible when you can ask them a few simple questions to prove they haven't read it themselves. These reflect beliefs that are being expressed in the form of judgement on others while not showing any sign, or perhaps providing evidence against, the reality of the accuser's own supposed faith. With those examples of hypocrisy and going by the definition provided by Webster, I would say not everyone is a hypocrite. Stretching the definition of hypocrisy to the socially accepted one, simply saying one thing and doing another, I do agree. Parents especially tend to be hypocrites and our government is led entirely by them. So the founder of that Kony thing being all christian until he runs around the streets naked and drunk would be hypocrisy? That or insanity. I looked him up since I hadn't heard of him before and he looks like a cult leader type. From what I've seen and heard cult leaders are almost always hypocrites. They preach one thing and do another, usually claiming to believe everything they preach and encouraging others to do the same. The part that is hypocrisy is the fact that they don't believe it themselves. Based on what little I read I would say he is either a hypocrite or at least a little insane. Edit: Should be clear, do you mean Joseph Kony? Double Edit: I would like to modify what I said before about agreeing... The socially accepted definition of hypocrisy is telling someone else not to do something, or that they should do something, then not doing it or doing it yourself (depending on what you said, but it's the opposite of what you told the other person). So, being a smoker, if I tell other people they shouldn't smoke because it isn't healthy then smoke my pipe, I am being a hypocrite. However I don't tell people what they should or shouldn't do specifically for that reason, instead I just let people know the risks if they ask. I don't consider simply saying "I won't [something]" then doing it to be an act of hypocrisy if it doesn't express what other people should/shouldn't do or involves the morals/beliefs of whoever says it. And one more thing, there are still tribal societies existing in which the people would not have a reason to fake any religious or moral beliefs, wouldn't have a reason to say one thing then do another, and wouldn't have a reason to tell others to do something then not do it themselves. Considering that fact it is illogical to assume everyone is a hypocrite by any possible definition. The founder of this "charity" is a scam artist... claims to be christian. Also, the name of the Charity has been renamed to "Kony 2012" when it's like 6-7 years old. Also, wouldn't a hypocrite be one of those people that are like "Do as I say, not as I do"? Yes, that's the Joseph Kony I looked up. Based on his actions and how they contradict his words I would say he is a hypocrite. A person who has the "do as I say, not as I do" type attitude CAN be a hypocrite. That isn't definite though. For example a general who tells his soldiers to follow his orders and not his actions then does something he knows how to do even though it may be dangerous, he takes that risk himself so his troops don't have to. Stupid, maybe, as a general he could order someone else to take that risk in this vague and non-specific example, but the point is I wouldn't call that hypocrisy. That is a matter of one man willing to take a risk so others don't have to while also ensuring the job is done right. The military is a whole different world though. "Do as I say, not as I do" fits the socially accepted definition of hypocrisy, but not necessarily the official definition.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:35 am
Juillet Clair .....that disproving one extreme idea of one extremist group of Christians is disproving the existence of God Himself. For example: "These Christians think the Earth is flat!!!!1!!one~!! That's so stupid!! I can't believe Christians think the Earth is flat, they're crazy!" Pretty much what Mr. Never Smiles said. Most atheists don't think like that. The most common reason for not believing in Christianity, is not enough evidence and the claims are rather hard to swallow. God taking the form of a man, a man who died for three days and rose from the dead, the lack of Roman records of his existence, etc... Then of course you also have extremists that have basically hijacked Christianity for the last 30 to 40 years who have been acting like asshats and making it a group one doesn't want to associate themselves with. One of my reasons for becoming a pagan in my youth was because of these asshats. I didn't want to be associated with people who thought that evolution was a lie, that gays were an abomination, that all cases of abortion were wrong, the list goes on. Before I made my leap of faith back into Christianity, I was a deist on my way to becoming an atheist due to the lack of evidence. Anyway the point is that a lot of Christianity gets misunderstood by EVERYONE. It took many years of self-examination before I realized that I didn't want to actually leave Christianity, I just didn't agree with the bigots. And I found eventually found the evidence I needed to believe in the religion again, in the form of a personal experience that helped put the religion into perspective and helped make many of the descriptions make sense. Some things that caused misconception for me: Faith does not mean blind belief. This is a modern definition of faith. It never is used to mean that in the Bible and one can look at the lexicon to see that. In context faith means trust. There was never one church. After Jesus died, there were about 12 or more different churches. It wasn't until 150 years later when the churches tried to start uniting and it wasn't until all the bishops were gathered together locked up for 2 weeks in 325 CE and forced to come up with something they could all agree on, (while weeding out groups they didn't like some more rightfully than others). The bible is not one continuous book. It is an anthology of Christian and Hebrew scriptures written did different audiences each representing different theological views. Some scripture, in particular Christian scripture, was written AGAINST other sects of Christianity. For example the author of Matthew did not like Paul's take on Christianity. ------------------------------------------------ Anyway, I think I know what you are referring to, in particular what thread you are talking about. That guy is a bigot, troll, and has a thing against Christianity. I would honestly just ignore him and leave him to his rantings. He's not there to argue, he's there to pretty much "preach" and troll. Edit: You stepped into his trap. The ancient people who wrote the texts in the Bible did actually believe the world was flat, actually a majority of the ancient world believed the earth was flat.
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