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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:40 pm


Here we shall discuss the Raptures/Blessings!

Scythe de Zaran
Is there something that is opposite of a Sorrow?

Because Armand is so... Armand, I was just wondering.


SilentShadowDreamer


You mean like a Joy? razz

I don't think so, at least not right now. Joyous things don't tend to be very chaotic...Christmas shopping aside. [/obligatory cheap joke] But we'll be developing the world as we go. If a deity comes up who might reasonably be expected to have 'Joys' to counteract Chaos's Sorrows, we could work it in, I'm sure.
~SSD


Scythe de Zaran
Haha. I guess it would be Joy, although Joy doesn't sound as catchy as Sorrow. Hah. Christmas shopping... xd


SilentShadowDreamer


Kind of a depressing thought, isn't it?

Well, keep that idea in mind. If you can think of a deity who might reasonably have Joys (or whatever other name we can think of) and disciples who could summon them, we can go for it. smile
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Scythe de Zaran
Maybe there's another word...

*shrugs* Who knows? Maybe one of the Chaos children end up being able to summon Joys? Haha. Oh, the irony.

Chaos Child: What the... I summoned a Sorrow, but this isn't a- can't be a Sorrow.


SilentShadowDreamer


Away to the thesaurus!

...Oh, that would be brilliant. Abso-- absolutely brilliant. Just the idea of that makes me so happy. I picture this following that statement:

Not!Sorrow: *nuzzles* Squee! *goes bouncing around throwing flowers at the warriors*
Chaos Child: ...FML.
~SSD


Scythe de Zaran
Haha. *nominates Talon's character just because Armand is all happy go lucky and with her* ninja


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Well, that you'd have to run by Talon, I think. And there's still the little matter of what deity those Joys actually belong to. Chaos most likely wouldn't want them around. razz

Hmm. I guess they could belong to the Lady, since she is of Light and she is the one and only stabilizing influence that keeps Chaos from imploding like it almost did the first time. *fiddles with this idea*
~SSD


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eek Talking about me behind my back...! Jk, that actually is pretty interesting. ninja


Scythe de Zaran
Maybe Armand is a Joy! Hahaha. Totally random. I know. You can discuss with SSD. I have to go.



Talon StarDrifter
Hey, this is my PM, helping you come up with names for the for now dubbed "Joys."

Instead of "Joys," if you're not happy with that name, here are a few suggestions:
Wonders
Humors
Raptures
Rhapsodies
Holies
Virtues
...Amens

...Seems they took a slightly religious note, though I certainly didn't mean that. sweatdrop

Anyway, I'm guessing there would be four "Joys" as there are four Sorrows. Suggestions:

Life/Existence/Animation/Spark/Breath
Purity/Vigor/Strength/Zest/Vitality
Serenity/Peace/Tranquility/Comfort/Harmony/Amity
Prosperity/Abundance/Fortune/Opulence/Wealth

I totally understand if you don't want to use any of these. :]


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I like Virtues. I wish I could use Virtues, but that would imply that to be blessed by these four creatures is to be virtuous and to be the victim of the Sorrows is to be sinful, and that's not true. Humors kind of remind me of the four humors in the blood and whatnot - maybe that's just my Bio side talking - and Joys itself sounds a little silly.

I may go with Raptures, even though that is kind of like the End of Days, just because I like the idea of Raptures. Or they might just not have names that anyone in the world knows - I mean, if no one knows they exist in this world, who would have given them names? :3 [/cop-out] But I suppose the Lady still has to call them something, so we need to know what they are in case the Creator and the Lady come up. Raptures works the best for me of the options. Thoughts?

Waitwaitwait. What about Blessings? What about that? That might work. Yeah.

So if we have Slaughter, Disaster, Malady and Famine...

For the four Raptures/Blessings, the old one is Tess, the baby's Joe and they call the wind Mariah hmm. I like Peace as Slaughter's opposite and Prosperity as the opposite of Famine. I don't really know what would be the opposite of Disaster - Luck, perhaps? And Malady...maybe Health or Vitality.

I have to admit I really want Beauty in there somewhere too, but that could be one of the sub-creatures. (Because dammit, if the Sorrows can have sub-creatures than so can the 'Joys'. >.<)

So we'd have Peace, Prosperity, Health/Vitality and Luck.

...I kind of enjoy how I started out with the four Sorrows and now there's suddenly like a million of these things running around.
~SSD
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:45 pm


This is my post to acknowledge that I have seen the thread, though I am technically still waiting on your thoughts about the Raptures vs. Blessings as well as the names of each individual one.

Then we get to figure out subgroups, and after that I have to decide for sure if they belong to the Lady or not, and oh this will be entertaining. :3

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:54 pm


SilentShadowDreamer

Whoops, sorry, you're right. sweatdrop

Well, considering you want "Beauty" in there somewhere, they could be called the Beauties. Or we could go with your original plan and make Beauty a Lesser. sweatdrop

I like Blessings. It sounds better than Raptures, I think. And it has a more clear cut definition.

I had meant Peace to be more of an opposite for Disaster, but I can see how it would work for Slaughter.

And just to be clear:

Slaughter & Peace
Famine & Prosperity
Disaster & Luck
Maladay & Health/Vitality

If you don't care for Luck, we can go with Fortune or Karma, if you'd like.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:03 pm


Beauties makes them sound like a group of performing strippers. rofl

Blessings works for me. biggrin

I think Fortune sounds better than Luck, especially because, well, luck can be bad. So can fortune, of course, but usually when you hear 'fortune', it seems like it should be good. Or is that just me?

Yes, that looks like about how they would pair up to me. Now, that's not to say they would be actively against each other or fighting all the time or whatever - just that for every sad thing, there's a happy thing, too.

As far as subgroups go, they should probably each get three as well. I guess we should also discuss how they look and how they're summoned, so that when I put up stuff about them (after we've surprised everyone in the RP by throwing them in there) their post looks something like the one for the Sorrows.

Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:24 pm


...Not that I would know. ninja

Okay, Blessings they are!

I like Fortune too. So the official list would be:

Slaughter & Peace
Famine & Prosperity
Disaster & Fortune
Malady & Health/Vitality

For Health/Vitality, I like Vitality. Or Vigor. Vitality > Vigor > Health.

I wouldn't expect them to be at each others' throats all the time. That would probably not sit too well with Chaos, whose opinion of them I've yet to find out.

Hm... Looks and summons... We could go with the musical tones for summoning with them too, though I'm a bit lost when it comes to music. /shot
Or, maybe they need a specific dance? That might go well opposite of the Sorrows' musical notes.

For their looks... Did you want them animalistic in appearance as well?

Possible subgroups:

Peace: Harmony, Balance, Pardon, Love, Placidity
Prosperity: Strength, Satiation, Growth, Hope
Fortune: Pleasantry, Shelter, Miracle, Wonder
Health/Vitality: Beauty, Ardor, Spirit

...The lines between the lessers are blurring. Ack.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 pm


...Of course not. >.>

Yes, Vitality sounds good.

Oh, Chaos's thoughts on them? It's...well, I mean, It's cool with them. It doesn't like them all that much and isn't too pleased that they're around - It much prefers the Sorrows - but the Lady says they need to have the Blessings in order to balance out the Sorrows, and since she is the rock that keeps all the rest of them grounded, they tend to listen to what she says - since without her, we have situations like what happened in the Creation myth before she was a goddess. You remember, with the world being desert and Chaos enjoying it all far too much and the man It chose to try and straighten things out going crazy? Yeah. That.

And oh dear God please no. Please don't make the poor unsuspecting Chaos children have to do interpretive dance to get the Blessings to come out - it's probably embarrassing enough for them that they have to sing in the middle of battle to get the Sorrows. XD

I'm probably going to make them animalistic as well, yes - although all the Sorrows can change their appearance at will, so the Blessings probably can too. I'm forced to assume that the Blessings would not be much good in battle, so they don't get battle forms unless you think otherwise. wink

As far as subunits go, they only really need three each.

Peace:

I like Harmony. I think Balance and Love go nicely here as well. So we'll go with those three.

Peace would probably be a deer or something. Something that's a symbol of pretty and shy and sweet.

Prosperity:

Hope, I like. I like Growth, too. Maybe we can also put Abundance in here, or Bounty - one of those two.

Hmm. What's an animal that would be good for prosperity? Any thoughts on that?

Fortune:

Miracle sounds nice. Also Chance, I think, and maybe...um...yeah. Hmm. This one's a tough one. Kindness, maybe. Something like that.

Also, I don't care what anyone says, Fortune is a damn cat. That is all. Like a house cat. There will be no discussion. XP

Vitality:
I think Beauty goes well here. Strength might go well here also, and maybe Spirit.

Then I need an animal that embodies all that. I mean, it may be a symbol of my obsession that the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a horse. XD But Famine likes that shape. But...hell, it wouldn't hurt anything if they were both horses. Vitality would be a much prettier horse. Ooh, maybe it could be a pegasus or something!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:43 pm


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Ahahahahaha, but that would be so FUNNY! xD

Not much good in battle? I can see how that would work...
"Prosperity! Take them down!"
*enemies are suddenly rich and fat*
"...Not what I had in mind."

Oh, I know they need only three, I was just coming up with more names in case you didn't like the others. xD Oh, Abundance/Bounty are good. I hadn't thought of those. Hm... How about Bounty?

Peace (deer [doe?] swan? dove?) - Harmony, Balance, Love
Prosperity (...rabbit?) - Hope, Growth, Abundance/Bounty
Fortune (kitty) - Miracle, Chance, Kindness(?)
Vitality (horse/ bull? large cat?) - Beauty, Strength, Spirit

I think Vitality would do well as a horse. It could be a great and powerful stallion, as opposed to Famine. A. Pegasus. Would. Be. AWESOME!
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:55 pm


I dunno if you saw what I noted in about Chaos's feelings towards them above. Just in case, I'll renote it here: Oh, Chaos's thoughts on them? It's...well, I mean, It's cool with them. It doesn't like them all that much and isn't too pleased that they're around - It much prefers the Sorrows - but the Lady says they need to have the Blessings in order to balance out the Sorrows, and since she is the rock that keeps all the rest of them grounded, they tend to listen to what she says - since without her, we have situations like what happened in the Creation myth before she was a goddess. You remember, with the world being desert and Chaos enjoying it all far too much and the man It chose to try and straighten things out going crazy? Yeah. That.

Yes. Yes, it would. But it would be so cruel. >.> Huh. It would be like a lifelong musical - I mean, we already have songs that they all basically know, and then they have to learn these choreographed dance steps...

But still, no. XD

They would be TERRIBLE in battle. They're much better at dancing around throwing flowers or...whatever it is that peaceful immortal creatures do all day, I dunno. Singing Kumbaya?

But theoretically if you were twisted enough, you COULD make them good for battle. I mean, Peace would make them lose their will to fight. Prosperity could theoretically make them so fat that they couldn't fight at all and would have to have their corpses rolled off the field. Like that. >.> Vitality might be a bad choice, though. Maybe use Vitality on your own soldiers. XD

I like Bounty, too. Even though it kinda reminds me of the paper towels.

For Peace (Harmony, Balance, Love): NOT a swan. Swans are vicious bastards and no one should ever like them. I should have made Slaughter a swan. THAT is how scary swans are. O.o I like the idea of a doe, personally, but I think that a dove would actually probably be best.

For Prosperity (Hope, Growth, Bounty): Maybe we could stick the doe in here? Or a stag - some big hunting animal that would guarantee meat for a long time. Something like that.

Fortune (Miracle, Chance and...I dunno, whatever): DEFINITELY a kitty. Oh, come on, it basically has to be. Oh hey, what about Trust? Could Trust be the third one? Because you always hear people say how you have to do everything you can do and then just trust to luck. >.>

Vitality (Beauty, Strength, Spirit): I want a damn pegasus. Vitality is going to be a freakin' pegasus.

So I figure Peace and Fortune are the ladies of this crew, and Vitality and Prosperity are the males. Yes, it is shameless gender-stereotyping. I dun care. It fits. And I made Slaughter a girl, so it's all good. XD

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:06 am


I vaguely recalled that Chaos wasn't too pleased with them, but I wanted to be sure. And... I do recall the rest, promise. xD

Okay, no to the dancing. Perhaps they have to draw some sort of sigil/rune/symbol in the air? Or... or... perhaps singing actual words? /shot

I totally love the thought of them throwing flowers around. While singing Kumbaya. And dancing.

Paper towels. Huh. Hadn't thought of that. And now, thanks to that, I will think of paper towels every time Bounty is mentioned.

O_O I had no idea swans were so awful. I'm so sorry to have suggested that. OTL
Mmkay then, a dove for Peace. :3
Apparently, bees and cows symbolize prosperity. >>;; I think I like a giant stag better. Maybe a buffalo?
Trust works. Trust definitely works. Fortune would be fantastic as a kitty. And it makes sense, really. xD It just can't be black.
If you want a pegasus, you can have a pegasus. :3

Haha. They do fit like that. Slaughter must be a girl with a perpetual "that time of the month." xD
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:52 am


Yeah, that's basically as far as I've gotten with how Chaos feels about them - though I have no doubt the Lady likes them very much. :3 I like to imagine that way back when, when the Daughter went down to the human plane, the Blessings were sometimes like "We wanna go too!" and she was like, "No. You guys are USELESS." And then they went sulking to the Lady and she was like "Honey, just take them with you. It'll make them happy. Take Famine too so that you have an actual guard, but take them with you. They'll come home when they get bored." And the human plane had an unexpected leap of good things happening that year. >.>

XD "Kumbayaaaa..." *shot* I like the idea of sigils and runes in the air, though - that would probably also help explain how Raederle first figures out that she can summon them, as I imagine her being the kind of person who waves her hands around in random patterns when she's talking.

I do too. Absolutely love that mental picture. Can you tell? XD

Haha, I think I win.

Yeah, no, they regularly cancel rowing practice in some universities because there's a swan in the river. Rowing teams tend to be made up of men (or women) built like large trees. O.o So yes, a dove it is.

I think I like stags better, too. They just look so graceful. I don't like buffalo so much, mostly because I've seen them when driving down to university and they PISS ME OFF. Such a pain when one of them wanders into the highway. >.< Have to wait until the damn thing moves its a** off the road.

It can appear any way it wants to, but it would probably be a white/brown/light grey kitty. :3 And okay then, Trust it is!

YUS! Vitality will be an awesome shiny cream-coloured pegasus!

Well, actually, when I decided that Slaughter would be female, I was thinking of the "Hell hath no fury, etc. etc." quote. XD

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:09 am


I promise to read through this stuff this week. Got hit hard with IRL.
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Wow, you guys have this all covered. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:12 am


Scythe de Zaran

This is the part where you add your input.
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Totally open to other thoughts/opinions/add-ons. :3

Also, we still have yet to decide what the runes and sigils that you draw for the various Blessings and Lessers look like. >.> So there's that.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:28 pm


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Hey, you. Runes and sigils, thoughts please?
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