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 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:25 pm
America
If you're fat, you're lazy.
If you correct people, you're picky.
If you practice an instrument, you're an obnoxious neighbor.
Other Areas
If you're fat, you're well-fed.
If you correct people, you're helpful.
If you practice an instrument, good for you.
Anyone else seeing a pattern here? Anything to add on? Any possible reason for all this? Disagree? Anything else involving this topic? I love a debate.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:37 am
if you like thor the god your an, intellectual. if you like thor the superhero your a nerd.
but obesity is an issue only in the ''1st world''
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:32 am
Well... yeah. If you're fat, chances are you're lazy. neutral
If you're correcting people, well that just depends on the way you go about it. Some people correct others because they're snooty bitches. Others correct people because they genuinely want to be helpful. And anyone can do it too much.
As for playing an instrument.... Not sure where you got the idea that Americans don't like people who play music, but it's not true, to my knowledge. ninja
In my experience, these are individual perspectives and have very little to do with nationality. I think you're drawing an illegitimate connection.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:37 pm
DysFUNKtional Duck Well... yeah. If you're fat, chances are you're lazy. neutral If you're correcting people, well that just depends on the way you go about it. Some people correct others because they're snooty bitches. Others correct people because they genuinely want to be helpful. And anyone can do it too much. As for playing an instrument.... Not sure where you got the idea that Americans don't like people who play music, but it's not true, to my knowledge. ninja In my experience, these are individual perspectives and have very little to do with nationality. I think you're drawing an illegitimate connection. I'm taking observations from what I've seen in contrast to what foreign people I know have seen. Obesity is absolutely viewed differently in other areas. In places where there's more poverty, obesity is a sign of wealth because there are people digging through the garbage for food. The correction part I've taken from my Spanish teacher--and by saying "anyone can do it too much" proves my point. In other areas of the world, especially when it comes to language, people will be grateful for any amount of correction because they don't want to make the mistake again. In America, people get absolutely pissed off at me for correcting the definition of one word. I know not everyone is like this, but a lot of people are. They would rather say something completely different than what they mean than let their pride suffer because someone corrected them. And the instruments, I know for a fact that there are many people in America who will call the police because their neighbors are making too much noise. And I've talked to someone from Mexico who says that nobody ever got mad at him for playing the guitar until he came to America; then everyone told him to quiet down. Besides, have you been to other countries long enough to make observations like this?
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:09 pm
I don't care if it's a musical instrument or the TV, if you're being too loud then you're being too loud. I'm not going to let loud noise slide just because it's a musical instrument. It's bad enough that I have a neighbor that every morning and night it sounds like he throws s**t down his stairs when I'm pretty sure he's just running up and down them.
Noise is noise and if it's a disturbance then it's a disturbance.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:52 pm
I think the instrument /disturbance problem has to do with the structure of the building. Many buildings here in America are paper thin, peices of crap. In Mexico, they're made solid, with cement and clay.
NOW, having a musician fiance, I must say that here in America, if you aren't making millions and aren't famous, no matter how well you play anything or how well you can sing, EVERYONE considers you a dead-beat and looks down on you. While in other countries, struggling artists and musicians are greatly coveted. People are astounded by talent.
I can tell you now, people consider me lazy and expect me to eat greasy foods because I have a few extra poundage. But in fact, I stay away from greasy food, and I'm quite active. I just enjoy eating my ice cream. wink But I'm no where near obese, so it might not be as relevant as I thought... stare
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:36 am
Amras Tasatir DysFUNKtional Duck Well... yeah. If you're fat, chances are you're lazy. neutral If you're correcting people, well that just depends on the way you go about it. Some people correct others because they're snooty bitches. Others correct people because they genuinely want to be helpful. And anyone can do it too much. As for playing an instrument.... Not sure where you got the idea that Americans don't like people who play music, but it's not true, to my knowledge. ninja In my experience, these are individual perspectives and have very little to do with nationality. I think you're drawing an illegitimate connection. I'm taking observations from what I've seen in contrast to what foreign people I know have seen. Obesity is absolutely viewed differently in other areas. In places where there's more poverty, obesity is a sign of wealth because there are people digging through the garbage for food. The correction part I've taken from my Spanish teacher--and by saying "anyone can do it too much" proves my point. In other areas of the world, especially when it comes to language, people will be grateful for any amount of correction because they don't want to make the mistake again. In America, people get absolutely pissed off at me for correcting the definition of one word. I know not everyone is like this, but a lot of people are. They would rather say something completely different than what they mean than let their pride suffer because someone corrected them. And the instruments, I know for a fact that there are many people in America who will call the police because their neighbors are making too much noise. And I've talked to someone from Mexico who says that nobody ever got mad at him for playing the guitar until he came to America; then everyone told him to quiet down. Besides, have you been to other countries long enough to make observations like this? Well, of course that's different. That's not an American attitude problem, it's a matter of access. In wealthier countries (not just this one), we all have the ability to get fat, but we don't all do it. That's why it's seen in a negative light here. And in poorer countries it's seen in a more positive light, only because of what it implies. Money. I really don't see this perspective any more or less outside of America. Except possibly in Asia, because of the vast differences in culture. Other than that, it's individual. Everyone in my family plays an instrument. The only time anyone was ever bothered by it, was in Spain. Half my life in Ireland and about a year total, traveling Europe, Africa, and Asia. You?
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:46 am
eramthgin a ni remaerd NOW, having a musician fiance, I must say that here in America, if you aren't making millions and aren't famous, no matter how well you play anything or how well you can sing, EVERYONE considers you a dead-beat and looks down on you. While in other countries, struggling artists and musicians are greatly coveted. People are astounded by talent. That tends to vary from place to place and age group to age group, but on the whole I'd say it's more often true than not, unfortunately. *shrugs* It's just part of our culture. We've always been a country of entrepreneurs, more than artists. Not my cup of tea, but you know what they say "it takes all types". ^_^ eramthgin a ni remaerd I can tell you now, people consider me lazy and expect me to eat greasy foods because I have a few extra poundage. But in fact, I stay away from greasy food, and I'm quite active. I just enjoy eating my ice cream. wink But I'm no where near obese, so it might not be as relevant as I thought... stare Yeah, people with a few extra pounds can definitely be active. I have friends who are overweight that do martial arts, ride their bikes everywhere, work on farms, etc... It's just when you go up a notch, to obese. I'm sure there are active obese people to be found somewhere, but the odds are not in favor of the random obese person I see on the street or in the movie theater. : P
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:30 pm
Obscurus I don't care if it's a musical instrument or the TV, if you're being too loud then you're being too loud. I'm not going to let loud noise slide just because it's a musical instrument. It's bad enough that I have a neighbor that every morning and night it sounds like he throws s**t down his stairs when I'm pretty sure he's just running up and down them. Noise is noise and if it's a disturbance then it's a disturbance. You're proving my point. Thank you.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:32 pm
eramthgin a ni remaerd I think the instrument /disturbance problem has to do with the structure of the building. Many buildings here in America are paper thin, peices of crap. In Mexico, they're made solid, with cement and clay. NOW, having a musician fiance, I must say that here in America, if you aren't making millions and aren't famous, no matter how well you play anything or how well you can sing, EVERYONE considers you a dead-beat and looks down on you. While in other countries, struggling artists and musicians are greatly coveted. People are astounded by talent. I can tell you now, people consider me lazy and expect me to eat greasy foods because I have a few extra poundage. But in fact, I stay away from greasy food, and I'm quite active. I just enjoy eating my ice cream. wink But I'm no where near obese, so it might not be as relevant as I thought... stare Ok, what you have to say about the music part makes sense. I may have been under a misconception there. And what you say about your activeness is another of my points. Some people are just genetically heavier to no fault of their own, and they actually are active. Sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to be. Just trying to put words to my thoughts.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:34 pm
DysFUNKtional Duck Amras Tasatir DysFUNKtional Duck Well... yeah. If you're fat, chances are you're lazy. neutral If you're correcting people, well that just depends on the way you go about it. Some people correct others because they're snooty bitches. Others correct people because they genuinely want to be helpful. And anyone can do it too much. As for playing an instrument.... Not sure where you got the idea that Americans don't like people who play music, but it's not true, to my knowledge. ninja In my experience, these are individual perspectives and have very little to do with nationality. I think you're drawing an illegitimate connection. I'm taking observations from what I've seen in contrast to what foreign people I know have seen. Obesity is absolutely viewed differently in other areas. In places where there's more poverty, obesity is a sign of wealth because there are people digging through the garbage for food. The correction part I've taken from my Spanish teacher--and by saying "anyone can do it too much" proves my point. In other areas of the world, especially when it comes to language, people will be grateful for any amount of correction because they don't want to make the mistake again. In America, people get absolutely pissed off at me for correcting the definition of one word. I know not everyone is like this, but a lot of people are. They would rather say something completely different than what they mean than let their pride suffer because someone corrected them. And the instruments, I know for a fact that there are many people in America who will call the police because their neighbors are making too much noise. And I've talked to someone from Mexico who says that nobody ever got mad at him for playing the guitar until he came to America; then everyone told him to quiet down. Besides, have you been to other countries long enough to make observations like this? Well, of course that's different. That's not an American attitude problem, it's a matter of access. In wealthier countries (not just this one), we all have the ability to get fat, but we don't all do it. That's why it's seen in a negative light here. And in poorer countries it's seen in a more positive light, only because of what it implies. Money. I really don't see this perspective any more or less outside of America. Except possibly in Asia, because of the vast differences in culture. Other than that, it's individual. Everyone in my family plays an instrument. The only time anyone was ever bothered by it, was in Spain. Half my life in Ireland and about a year total, traveling Europe, Africa, and Asia. You? That may be the difference here. The people I've talked to are from Mexico and Columbia--completely different areas. That's one of the reasons I posted this--to get different perspectives.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:21 pm
Amras Tasatir DysFUNKtional Duck Amras Tasatir DysFUNKtional Duck Well... yeah. If you're fat, chances are you're lazy. neutral If you're correcting people, well that just depends on the way you go about it. Some people correct others because they're snooty bitches. Others correct people because they genuinely want to be helpful. And anyone can do it too much. As for playing an instrument.... Not sure where you got the idea that Americans don't like people who play music, but it's not true, to my knowledge. ninja In my experience, these are individual perspectives and have very little to do with nationality. I think you're drawing an illegitimate connection. I'm taking observations from what I've seen in contrast to what foreign people I know have seen. Obesity is absolutely viewed differently in other areas. In places where there's more poverty, obesity is a sign of wealth because there are people digging through the garbage for food. The correction part I've taken from my Spanish teacher--and by saying "anyone can do it too much" proves my point. In other areas of the world, especially when it comes to language, people will be grateful for any amount of correction because they don't want to make the mistake again. In America, people get absolutely pissed off at me for correcting the definition of one word. I know not everyone is like this, but a lot of people are. They would rather say something completely different than what they mean than let their pride suffer because someone corrected them. And the instruments, I know for a fact that there are many people in America who will call the police because their neighbors are making too much noise. And I've talked to someone from Mexico who says that nobody ever got mad at him for playing the guitar until he came to America; then everyone told him to quiet down. Besides, have you been to other countries long enough to make observations like this? Well, of course that's different. That's not an American attitude problem, it's a matter of access. In wealthier countries (not just this one), we all have the ability to get fat, but we don't all do it. That's why it's seen in a negative light here. And in poorer countries it's seen in a more positive light, only because of what it implies. Money. I really don't see this perspective any more or less outside of America. Except possibly in Asia, because of the vast differences in culture. Other than that, it's individual. Everyone in my family plays an instrument. The only time anyone was ever bothered by it, was in Spain. Half my life in Ireland and about a year total, traveling Europe, Africa, and Asia. You? That may be the difference here. The people I've talked to are from Mexico and Columbia--completely different areas. That's one of the reasons I posted this--to get different perspectives. Yeah, I think this is more a matter of the stage of development of a country. That's culture shock for you. It's not strictly an American thing.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:00 pm
Amras Tasatir Obscurus I don't care if it's a musical instrument or the TV, if you're being too loud then you're being too loud. I'm not going to let loud noise slide just because it's a musical instrument. It's bad enough that I have a neighbor that every morning and night it sounds like he throws s**t down his stairs when I'm pretty sure he's just running up and down them. Noise is noise and if it's a disturbance then it's a disturbance. You're proving my point. Thank you. And my point is that one should be considerate of their neighbors. I have no problem with people playing instruments but when something is too loud it is just too loud, instrument or not. There is a difference between playing an instrument or running up the stairs at 2pm and doing it at 11pm or 7am. It's the same principle behind city noise ordinances or quiet hour policies. I like to think that Americans aren't the only people that find excessive noise disturbing but I don't really know. I'm certainly not willing to put up with excessive noise just because "Oh, you're practicing a musical instrument; good for you!" Sorry.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:17 pm
Obscurus Amras Tasatir Obscurus I don't care if it's a musical instrument or the TV, if you're being too loud then you're being too loud. I'm not going to let loud noise slide just because it's a musical instrument. It's bad enough that I have a neighbor that every morning and night it sounds like he throws s**t down his stairs when I'm pretty sure he's just running up and down them. Noise is noise and if it's a disturbance then it's a disturbance. You're proving my point. Thank you. And my point is that one should be considerate of their neighbors. I have no problem with people playing instruments but when something is too loud it is just too loud, instrument or not. There is a difference between playing an instrument or running up the stairs at 2pm and doing it at 11pm or 7am. It's the same principle behind city noise ordinances or quiet hour policies. I like to think that Americans aren't the only people that find excessive noise disturbing but I don't really know. I'm certainly not willing to put up with excessive noise just because "Oh, you're practicing a musical instrument; good for you!" Sorry. I hope you realize that you're just repeating yourself... Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I'm not talking about ridiculous hours of the day. I'm talking about people who just can't stand the noise. So if that's the case... why don't you live somewhere more peaceful? And yes, I know, be considerate of your neighbors. That goes for both sides, you know. Another thing many Americans tend to do (I'm not talking about all Americans, just some) is they get really really mad about something and scream their heart out, when it's easier to solve something by talking peacefully. Or maybe that's humanity in general...?
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:25 pm
Amras Tasatir Obscurus Amras Tasatir Obscurus I don't care if it's a musical instrument or the TV, if you're being too loud then you're being too loud. I'm not going to let loud noise slide just because it's a musical instrument. It's bad enough that I have a neighbor that every morning and night it sounds like he throws s**t down his stairs when I'm pretty sure he's just running up and down them. Noise is noise and if it's a disturbance then it's a disturbance. You're proving my point. Thank you. And my point is that one should be considerate of their neighbors. I have no problem with people playing instruments but when something is too loud it is just too loud, instrument or not. There is a difference between playing an instrument or running up the stairs at 2pm and doing it at 11pm or 7am. It's the same principle behind city noise ordinances or quiet hour policies. I like to think that Americans aren't the only people that find excessive noise disturbing but I don't really know. I'm certainly not willing to put up with excessive noise just because "Oh, you're practicing a musical instrument; good for you!" Sorry. I hope you realize that you're just repeating yourself... Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I'm not talking about ridiculous hours of the day. I'm talking about people who just can't stand the noise. So if that's the case... why don't you live somewhere more peaceful? And yes, I know, be considerate of your neighbors. That goes for both sides, you know. Another thing many Americans tend to do (I'm not talking about all Americans, just some) is they get really really mad about something and scream their heart out, when it's easier to solve something by talking peacefully. Or maybe that's humanity in general...? I'm repeating myself and trying to explain my position for clarity. I can tolerate noise, but there is a (subjective) point where it becomes excessive. If I can't sleep because of it or something like that then I'd consider it excessive. I just used my neighbor as an example. He's never done anything I'd consider "excessive" but there are odd noises at odd hours that I think are unnecessary is all. Even so, it's not possible for me to move at this time even if I wanted to. Being respectful goes both ways and that's why I make an effort to be quiet in everything I do, but I've always been like that. I think that all people get really mad about things that could be resolved simply by communicating. That's not just an American thing. I think you're stereotyping and stereotypes are generalizations. It's like if I were to say that black people steal or Mexicans are lazy. It's obviously not true even if there are a few examples of those behaviors. By stereotyping Americans you've essentially done the same thing you're complaining about.
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