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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:38 pm

Usually when I bring this up, most Christians in the room want to slap me. I've gotten marked down for saying it in an essay. Th point is, it's a touchy subject, but I want to hear peoples opinions on it.
In every religion there are extremist groups. Christianity is no exception. They have the KKK. The KKK has it's base in Christianity. Usually at this point I would hear a chorus of, "They aren't a Christian group, they don't follow the bible." That is not entirely true. They justify their actions by manipulating the bible, they believe they are following it. Go to the second post for a list of biblical reasons why they think what they do is justified., which I found on their website.
If people still dought that it is a christin organization, consider some of the requirements for joining.

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2. You must be able to profess faith in Jesus Christ as personal Savior

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6. Under NO circumstances will we accept for associateship: homosexuals, atheists,

pay attention to the "atheists" part. Why would that matter unless we were talking about a christian organization.
Here is another outake from that same page, and this should be all it takes to prove that the kkk is in fact a christian organization.

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Here too much dis-information has been propagated. YES, The Ku Klux Klan IS a Christian organization. NO, you do not have to belong a certain sect or denomination to be a Klansman/Klanswomen. Our organization includes nearly all Protestant denominations that accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. You do NOT have to be a Klansman to be a Christian, but you MUST be a Christian to be a Klansman.

Please understand that I believe the KKK is a terrible organization. What they have done is wrong, and I am fully against what they stand for.

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:40 pm

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30 Biblical Reasons for Seperatism

1. God wills all races to be as He made them. Any violation of God's original purpose manifests insubordination to Him. (Acts 17:26, Rom. 9:19-24)
2. God made everything to reproduce "after his own kind" (Gen 1:11-12, 6:20, 7:14). Kind means type and color. He would have kept them all alike to begin with had he intended equality.
3. God originally determined the bounds of the habitations of nations, so they would be saved. (17:26, Gen.10:5,32, 11:8, Dt. 32: cool
4. Miscongenation means the mixture of the races, especially the black and white races, or those of outstanding type, or color. The Bible even goes farther than this. It is against different branches of the same stock intermarrying such as Jews marrying other descendants of Abraham ( Ezra 9-10, Neh. 9-13, Jer 50:37, Ezek 30:5)
5. Abraham forbade Eliezer to take a wife for Isaac of canaanites ( Gen. 24:1-4). God was so pleased with this that He directed whom to get ( Gen. 24:7, 12-67)
6. Isaac forbade Jacob to take a wife of the canaanites ( Gen. 27:46-28:7)
7. Abraham sent all his sons of the concubines, and even of his second wife, far away from Isaac so their descendants would not mix (Gen. 25:1-6)
8. Esau disobeying this law brought the final break between him and his father after lifelong companionship with him ( Gen 25:28, 26:34-35, 27:46, 28:8-9)
9. The two branches of Isaac remained segregated forever ( Gen 36, 46:8-26)
10. Ishmael and Isaac's descendants remained seperated forever ( Gen 25:12-23, 1 Chr 1:29)
11. Jacobs sons destroyed a whole city to maintain seperated (Gen 34)
12. God forbad intermarraige between Israel and all other nations ( Ex 34:12-16, Dt 7:3-6)
13. Joshua forbad the same thing on sentance of death ( Josh 23:12-13)
14. God cursed angels for leaving their own "first estate" and "their own habitation" to marry the daughters of men (Gen 6:1-4, 2 Pet 2:4, Jude 6,7)
15. Miscogenation caused Israel to be cursed ( Judges 3:6-7, Num 25:1- cool . Note that Phinehas' act was righteous ( Ps 106:30)
16. This was Solomon's sin ( 1 King 11)
17. This was the sin of Judahites returning from Babylon ( Ezra 9:1-10:2, 10-18, 44, Neh. 13:1-30)
18. God commanded Israel to be seperated ( Lev 20:24, Num 23:9, 1 King 8:53)
19. Israelites recognized as a seperate people in all ages because of God's choice and command ( Matt 10:6, John 1:11). Equal rights in the gospel gives no right to break this eternal law
20. Seperation between Israelites and all other nations to remain in all eternity ( Is 2:2-4,Ezek 37, 47:13-48, Zech 14:16-21, Matt 19:28, Lk 1:32-33, Rev 7:1-8, 14:1-5)
21. All nations will remain seperated from one another in their own parts of the earth forever ( Acts 17:26, Gen 10:5, 32, 11:8-9, Dt 32:8, Dan 7:13-14, Rev 11:15, 21:24)
22. Certain people in Israel were not even to worship with others ( Dt 23:1-3, Ezra 10:8, Neh 9:2, 10:28, 13:3)
23. Even in heaven certain groups will not be allowed to worship together ( Rev 7:7-17, 14:1-5, 15:2-5)
24. Seperation in the O.T. was so strong that an ox and an a** could not be worked together ( Dt 22:10)
25. Miscogenation caused disunity among God's people ( Num 12)
26. Stock was forbidden to be bred with other kinds ( Lev 19:19)
27. Sowing mixed seed in the same field was unlawful ( Lev 19:19)
28. Different seeds were forbidden to be planted in the same vineyards ( Dt 22:9)
29. Wearing garments of mixed fabrics forbidden ( Dt 22:11, Lev 19:19)
30. Christians and certain other people of a like race are to be seperated based upon behavior ( Mt 18:15-17, 1 Cor 5:9-13, 6:15, 2 Cor 6:14-18, Eph 5:11, 2 Thess 3:6-16, 1 Tim 6:5, 2 Tim 3:5

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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:34 pm

I completely agree. The KKK twist religion and make it their own. I also agree that if God really existed, he would have made all of us equal, why would he want such cruelness in his own creation?

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:13 pm

Exactly. That is the kind of logical thought process I wish more people had.
I do believe there is something, I can't know for sure what that is, although I think I have an idea. Whatever there is wouldn't want cruelty upon their creation. Especially not in their name.

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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:47 pm

Yeah they are a "Christian" organization. They aren't accepted as part of the Christian community by most Christians much like how the WBC isn't accepted. And they are rightfully not accepted as part of the Christian community despite classifying as Christians. Their organization takes scripture out of context to encourage others and themselves to be unsaintly people.

This just illustrates the problems with defining what Christianity is. If we go with the Catholic definition, we exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses from being classified as Christians. If we accept the "5 fundamentals" as the definition of Christianity any Christian who takes a liberal examination of Christianity is automatically not Christian. Also it was designed to exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as well.

To put it bluntly it's hard to define a group so it includes everyone you like but excludes those you don't like.

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:51 am

I wouldn't even say that they exploit or twist the Bible. It's their interpretation, just as Catholics and Evangelicals have different interpretations. They believe what they are doing is the right thing, I think most people forget that.

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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:16 am

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I wouldn't even say that they exploit or twist the Bible. It's their interpretation, just as Catholics and Evangelicals have different interpretations. They believe what they are doing is the right thing, I think most people forget that.

While they are free to believe what they are doing is right, I am free to despise what they believe.

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:31 am

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While they are free to believe what they are doing is right, I am free to despise what they believe.

I never said you weren't. My point is, they're not exploiting religion, that IS their religion.
Related - if an atheist finds some aspect of Christianity immoral and despises it, he's labelled as intolerant and close-minded.

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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:37 am

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Yeah they are a "Christian" organization. They aren't accepted as part of the Christian community by most Christians much like how the WBC isn't accepted. And they are rightfully not accepted as part of the Christian community despite classifying as Christians. Their organization takes scripture out of context to encourage others and themselves to be unsaintly people.

This just illustrates the problems with defining what Christianity is. If we go with the Catholic definition, we exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses from being classified as Christians. If we accept the "5 fundamentals" as the definition of Christianity any Christian who takes a liberal examination of Christianity is automatically not Christian. Also it was designed to exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as well.

To put it bluntly it's hard to define a group so it includes everyone you like but excludes those you don't like.

So if Westboro is not recognized as Christian then why can they go around "preaching" the bible?

But Skinheads are also Christian extremists. And possibly even Hells Angels. I'll have to look that one up though.

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:06 pm

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rmcdra

While they are free to believe what they are doing is right, I am free to despise what they believe.

I never said you weren't. My point is, they're not exploiting religion, that IS their religion.
Related - if an atheist finds some aspect of Christianity immoral and despises it, he's labelled as intolerant and close-minded.

Fair enough.

Edit: How does the KKK qualify as a religion? They require one to be a particular religion already before one can even join. The OP even states that.

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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:21 pm

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rmcdra

Yeah they are a "Christian" organization. They aren't accepted as part of the Christian community by most Christians much like how the WBC isn't accepted. And they are rightfully not accepted as part of the Christian community despite classifying as Christians. Their organization takes scripture out of context to encourage others and themselves to be unsaintly people.

This just illustrates the problems with defining what Christianity is. If we go with the Catholic definition, we exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses from being classified as Christians. If we accept the "5 fundamentals" as the definition of Christianity any Christian who takes a liberal examination of Christianity is automatically not Christian. Also it was designed to exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as well.

To put it bluntly it's hard to define a group so it includes everyone you like but excludes those you don't like.

So if Westboro is not recognized as Christian then why can they go around "preaching" the bible?

But Skinheads are also Christian extremists. And possibly even Hells Angels. I'll have to look that one up though.

Because they still classify as Christians since they adhere to what is referred to as the five fundamentals.

* The inerrancy of the Bible
* The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ's miracles.
* The Virgin Birth of Christ
* The bodily resurrection of Christ
* The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross

Since they adhere to this they still classify as Christian, at least according to most Protestants, which just goes to show when saying anything about Christianity you have to talk about specific denominations if you want to convey anything meaningful. It's a big ******** when you start digging because each group holds to different doctrines. It also sometimes makes me wonder if they aren't all worshiping different gods with how widely they differ.

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:15 am

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rmcdra

Yeah they are a "Christian" organization. They aren't accepted as part of the Christian community by most Christians much like how the WBC isn't accepted. And they are rightfully not accepted as part of the Christian community despite classifying as Christians. Their organization takes scripture out of context to encourage others and themselves to be unsaintly people.

This just illustrates the problems with defining what Christianity is. If we go with the Catholic definition, we exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses from being classified as Christians. If we accept the "5 fundamentals" as the definition of Christianity any Christian who takes a liberal examination of Christianity is automatically not Christian. Also it was designed to exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as well.

To put it bluntly it's hard to define a group so it includes everyone you like but excludes those you don't like.

So if Westboro is not recognized as Christian then why can they go around "preaching" the bible?

But Skinheads are also Christian extremists. And possibly even Hells Angels. I'll have to look that one up though.

Because they still classify as Christians since they adhere to what is referred to as the five fundamentals.

* The inerrancy of the Bible
* The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ's miracles.
* The Virgin Birth of Christ
* The bodily resurrection of Christ
* The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross

Since they adhere to this they still classify as Christian, at least according to most Protestants, which just goes to show when saying anything about Christianity you have to talk about specific denominations if you want to convey anything meaningful. It's a big ******** when you start digging because each group holds to different doctrines. It also sometimes makes me wonder if they aren't all worshiping different gods with how widely they differ.

Ditto.

Hm... So you can follow there "rules" and preach of hate and death to gays and be considered Christian because you believe in the same basic principles... Sounds like some low standards if you ask me.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:17 am

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rmcdra

While they are free to believe what they are doing is right, I am free to despise what they believe.

I never said you weren't. My point is, they're not exploiting religion, that IS their religion.
Related - if an atheist finds some aspect of Christianity immoral and despises it, he's labelled as intolerant and close-minded.

I thought Christians were the intolerant, close-minded ones. Funny. Double standards.

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:22 am

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rmcdra

While they are free to believe what they are doing is right, I am free to despise what they believe.

I never said you weren't. My point is, they're not exploiting religion, that IS their religion.
Related - if an atheist finds some aspect of Christianity immoral and despises it, he's labelled as intolerant and close-minded.

I thought Christians were the intolerant, close-minded ones. Funny. Double standards.

razz Of course we are. We "blindly" follow an old book and never ever question it's meaning nor interpretations of those meanings. Nope not at all. rolleyes All us Christians want to burn you filthy pagans while singing praise to our might god the Bible..., Jesus, yes Jesus. ninja

We're just a bunch of unthinking sheep xp

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:23 am

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Yeah they are a "Christian" organization. They aren't accepted as part of the Christian community by most Christians much like how the WBC isn't accepted. And they are rightfully not accepted as part of the Christian community despite classifying as Christians. Their organization takes scripture out of context to encourage others and themselves to be unsaintly people.

This just illustrates the problems with defining what Christianity is. If we go with the Catholic definition, we exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses from being classified as Christians. If we accept the "5 fundamentals" as the definition of Christianity any Christian who takes a liberal examination of Christianity is automatically not Christian. Also it was designed to exclude Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as well.

To put it bluntly it's hard to define a group so it includes everyone you like but excludes those you don't like.

So if Westboro is not recognized as Christian then why can they go around "preaching" the bible?

But Skinheads are also Christian extremists. And possibly even Hells Angels. I'll have to look that one up though.

Because they still classify as Christians since they adhere to what is referred to as the five fundamentals.

* The inerrancy of the Bible
* The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ's miracles.
* The Virgin Birth of Christ
* The bodily resurrection of Christ
* The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross

Since they adhere to this they still classify as Christian, at least according to most Protestants, which just goes to show when saying anything about Christianity you have to talk about specific denominations if you want to convey anything meaningful. It's a big ******** when you start digging because each group holds to different doctrines. It also sometimes makes me wonder if they aren't all worshiping different gods with how widely they differ.

Ditto.

Hm... So you can follow there "rules" and preach of hate and death to gays and be considered Christian because you believe in the same basic principles... Sounds like some low standards if you ask me.

The more inclusive you are, the lower the standards are going to be. Especially if all Christians are supposed to be somehow instant priests just because they believe in Jesus.

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