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Frizzzz

PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:01 pm


I met this guy at a club in March, was just chatting to him for a bit and ended up spending a bit of time scoring (making out with) him, he wanted my number and he text me later that morning when we got in, texted a bit, went on date, went on another date, realised we were friends, and now we've been friends for quite some time.

Here are the important bits to this:
1. He's now one of my really good friends
2. I recently decided I like him as more than a friend, quite a bit, but I know for my health and self esteem it would not be a good idea to date him, I just want him to want me and not other girls, and benefits, and date him.
3. He's in love with his ex girlfriend still, who he dumped and also did a range of really, really mean things to although he never cheated, he did send her in the direction of anorexia with his obsession with image perfection, commenting on her weight and perfecting her. He often comments on girls' appearances when we are out and highlights what he considers as flaws in their appearance.
4. He's shallow and deep, as in he's shallow in that I get texts about what I think of his eyebrows or what shape do I consider his face on random occasions, he gets with a lot of girls for "practice" and really, really is disgusted by fat girls, and his definition of fat begins at just over a UK size 10. He's deep in that he's emotional although he tries to hide it from people that aren't his close friends, he's very intellegent, I can have really interesting conversations with him and it's a very... intimate friendship, we share a lot.
5. After about a month of being his friend I became very conscious of my body, I've started eating a lot less and cutting sugary foods out of my diet. I've gone to the gym and ran two hours on a treadmill the day after going out on a binge eat. But then I've also started to put a lot more effort into clearing up my skin, improving my image and having a very healthy and nutritious diet. When he comments on my legs being skinny I feel very flattered and I like to think I reach his high standards, yet sometimes he makes comments about how this or that has improved a lot, but in a way that implies he considered it a noticable flaw before, such as things like "your foundation matches your neck now!" or " you're dressed a lot better".
6. As a result of my change in diet I think of food a lot, I calorie count almost everything I eat, I feel very guilty about eating sugary food, I don't have the happy energy I used to and it's affecting my friendships, recently when I've been with my friends around sugary foods I want to take my sister's advice (which in the past has majority of the time proved to be what's best) and just cut him out of my life, yet when I get a text from him I'm elated and I really enjoy his company.
7. I have zilch all else going on with other guys that aren't definitely just friends.
8. I tell him a lot more than anyone else about my diet, he also makes comments to me about making sure I drink lots of water, get enough protein and stuff like that, if I mention something like "I'm eating roughly 1200 calories a day" he won't tell me to let loose or relax, he'll encourage me to eat 1500 calories a day.

So from this, cut him out of my life (might seem like the obvious option) or keep him in my life (considering he's a really good friend of mine, I really enjoy his company, he's pretty much the only drama going on in my male social life at all and I also have started to think of him as more than a friend, also I can hardly say "You've made me really image obsessed and weight conscious and changed me" when he has never called me fat and has discouraged very unhealthy dieting)?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:55 pm


dude is gay and a complete dickwad.

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Vitamin Crack

PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:42 pm


Has he changed you into someone you like, or someone you don't?

To be honest, parts of your post really worry me. It sounds almost co-dependent. Things like "I just want him to want me and not other girls" and "when I get a text from him I'm elated and I really enjoy his company." just worry me because it doesn't sound healthy to be so reliant on this one relationship.

The two options you presented don't really cover the whole spectrum. Yes, you could cut him out of your life if you want, but somehow I don't think that'll solve all the body image problems. It sounds like those stem from low self-esteem. If your opinion of yourself was higher in the first place, then you probably wouldn't be so affected by his comments. Still, cutting out bad influences is probably a good way to start resolving those deeper issues.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:28 pm


Dude, you either need to have a very frank, firm talk with him, or you just need to kick him to the curb. The way you explain it, he sounds like he has no redeeming qualities except maybe that he might be good-looking and is intelligent enough to understand if you lay down what you're feeling. Honestly though, people like that rarely change. Also you totally can say "You've made me really image obsessed and weight conscious and changed me" because it's very clear that his comments and attitudes have rubbed off on you, and maybe they're not the sole reason (I don't know your life), but this guy isn't helping you. There are plenty of people you can have intelligent, fun conversations with that won't negatively impact your life.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:27 pm


Yeah, he sounds kind of like a terrible person. It's nice that he's gotten you to improve some of your habits and hygiene, but he sounds like he's incredibly controlling and unpleasant. It seems to me that maybe if you start doing something that doesn't meet his "high standards", he would be a complete d**k to you until you changed yourself to exactly what he wants. That s**t just isn't healthy.

I seriously don't think he's good for you. All girls deserve to have someone who loves them for who they are, not what they think a woman should be. Right now, he's changing you in ways that seem positive (though with dark undertones), but if he gets away with that, who knows where he'll stop? People like that are terrible for a person's self-esteem, which imo it sounds like you don't have much of to begin with.

I'm going to say that this doesn't sound like a healthy relationship. And honestly, even though this is all completely up to you, it sounds like you know that he's a bad influence but you're afraid to make that call by yourself.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:18 am


Vitamin Crack
Has he changed you into someone you like, or someone you don't?

The two options you presented don't really cover the whole spectrum. Yes, you could cut him out of your life if you want, but somehow I don't think that'll solve all the body image problems. It sounds like those stem from low self-esteem. If your opinion of yourself was higher in the first place, then you probably wouldn't be so affected by his comments. Still, cutting out bad influences is probably a good way to start resolving those deeper issues.


I think two ways about the way he has changed me, I feel a lot less energetic with my friends which isn't really a change in my personality it's the lack of sugary snacks, but I've also just started on the pill so I don't want to be pigging out to the max at the moment. Anyway it annoys me that I'm not as free and fun loving with them sometimes. In the other way I like that I've some sort of social excitement outside my best friends, and tbh he's starting to be one of them. I also like what I've become image wise, and I notice a lot of my thoughts are sort of... anorexicy about cutting him out, he's like my willpower in a lot of ways and I just don't really want to waste the work I did to get my body very healthy and more in shape, but then I wonder if I'd stop caring much when I cut him out.

I don't know if I have terribly low self esteem, but I very easily pick up mental things like self harming, severe obsessive compulsive disorder and now a lot of my thoughts are the symtoms of an anorexic, although I still eat quite a full diet. But I really don't want to cut him out of my life and if it were someone else I'm sure he wouldn't have had such an effect on them, so it's more my problems than his.

Yoko Salad
It seems to me that maybe if you start doing something that doesn't meet his "high standards", he would be a complete d**k to you until you changed yourself to exactly what he wants. That s**t just isn't healthy.

I'm going to say that this doesn't sound like a healthy relationship. And honestly, even though this is all completely up to you, it sounds like you know that he's a bad influence but you're afraid to make that call by yourself.


I don't think that would happen as we're just friends but yes that is pretty much exactly what happened with his ex girlfriend, and I think because we're such close friends and I've heard a lot of his thoughts and opinions about the girls he's met and how he goes about treating them and feels about it I'm very on my guard and I can recognize a lot of the things he does from when we were more than friends at the start, but it feels very like... because we're such good friends, seeing as he does know I am very perceptible to what he says and to these things and I always give out to him about the extremes of what he does that he wouldn't go extreme with me like that anyway, any guy that treated me badly he'd be pissed with. He does do things like buy me chocolate every time he sees me because he feels bad that he has effected me like this, but also I don't think he'd ever consider me as more than a friend, he's too open and natural with me, he doesn't hold the macho bravado with me that he does with girls he's trying it with, which I think is why I can see him in a different light to most people.

And yeah I think I know if it was someone else I'd be definitely advising them to cut him out of their lives and that he's a dickwad, but it's something that can't easily be undone when it's done and I keep putting off doing it, well more like whenever I feel slightly like doing it I sleep for the night, wake up and am so relieved I didn't do it, and when I was sure I was going to do it the last time I went to see him, had an amazing time and that was when I decided I liked him as more than a friend.

Frizzzz


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:42 pm


dude, boy or girl, if someone made me feel self conscious and bad about myself and body i would not want to be their friend.

but he is a guy and he sounds like too much of a douche that I don't care much for his good qualities.
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