Apollon and Artemis - Sun and Moon?

[Akherontis]

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Heh, I am enlightened.

That's what the guild is here for. It saddens me sometimes when Apollon and Artemis get all the credit, while Helios and Selene are marginalized. The Archaic Greeks were entirely consistent in their belief that Helios drew the sun through the sky and Selene the moon. Even the later Hellenistic Greeks still attributed those functions to Helios and Selene, although by then Apollon and Artemis had acquired certain minor solar/lunar associations. The Romans still considered Sol and Luna to the the primary gods of the celestial lights, although some of Selene's myth was transferred to Diana rather than Luna.

Jupiter, Juno and Minerva? Now they are just a fusion of the old Tinia, Uni and Merva of the Etruscan mythology from Italy, and the Greek Mythology stories during Roman Empire times, I presume.

Stories and names get mixed up so easily when there is similarities in the characters of those stories...

In a sense, you are correct. But Jupiter ultimately derives from the proto-Indo-European Dyeus Pater. The same can be said for Zeus (whose genitive is Dios), and the Vedic deity Dyaus Pitar, and the Etruscan Tinia. You are definitely accurate in stating that the Romans did not just adopt and mutate the Greek Gods. The Etruscans were also great influences, as were Persian deities like Mithras. One must also account for the Di Indigetes of the Italians themselves. Janus is a very interesting case. He may be a szygy of Apollo and Diana (via the spelling Iana).

The world is made from Chinese whispers...

Actually, the world is composed mostly of iron (32.1%), oxygen (30.1%), silicon (15.1%), magnesium (13.9%), sulfur (2.9%), nickel (1.8%), calcium (1.5%), and aluminium (1.4%); with the remaining 1.2% consisting of trace amounts of other elements.  

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Heh, I am enlightened.

That's what the guild is here for. It saddens me sometimes when Apollon and Artemis get all the credit, while Helios and Selene are marginalized. The Archaic Greeks were entirely consistent in their belief that Helios drew the sun through the sky and Selene the moon. Even the later Hellenistic Greeks still attributed those functions to Helios and Selene, although by then Apollon and Artemis had acquired certain minor solar/lunar associations. The Romans still considered Sol and Luna to the the primary gods of the celestial lights, although some of Selene's myth was transferred to Diana rather than Luna.

Jupiter, Juno and Minerva? Now they are just a fusion of the old Tinia, Uni and Merva of the Etruscan mythology from Italy, and the Greek Mythology stories during Roman Empire times, I presume.

Stories and names get mixed up so easily when there is similarities in the characters of those stories...

In a sense, you are correct. But Jupiter ultimately derives from the proto-Indo-European Dyeus Pater. The same can be said for Zeus (whose genitive is Dios), and the Vedic deity Dyaus Pitar, and the Etruscan Tinia. You are definitely accurate in stating that the Romans did not just adopt and mutate the Greek Gods. The Etruscans were also great influences, as were Persian deities like Mithras. One must also account for the Di Indigetes of the Italians themselves. Janus is a very interesting case. He may be a szygy of Apollo and Diana (via the spelling Iana).

The world is made from Chinese whispers...

Actually, the world is composed mostly of iron (32.1%), oxygen (30.1%), silicon (15.1%), magnesium (13.9%), sulfur (2.9%), nickel (1.8%), calcium (1.5%), and aluminium (1.4%); with the remaining 1.2% consisting of trace amounts of other elements.

Okay, I have been obliterated.  

[Akherontis]

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Okay, I have been obliterated.

 

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Okay, I have been obliterated.

Being a zombie, I recognize your brain to be a delicacy.  

[Akherontis]

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Okay, I have been obliterated.

Being a zombie, I recognize your brain to be a delicacy.

I shall deflect your ravenous appetite with logic. Zombies come from Vodun folklore and are entirely harmless, in earlier folktales they were not even reanimated corpses, but simply people under the mental control of a Bokur (Sorcerer). The proper appellation for an undead creature who dines on human flesh is 'Ghoul'. And even then, the Arabic Ghul were not revenants, but ogre-like demons who dwelled in the desert. George Romero himself, who created the modern Zombie apocalypse genre, hated the term Zombie as he knew of its inappropriateness.  

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Okay, I have been obliterated.

Being a zombie, I recognize your brain to be a delicacy.

I shall deflect your ravenous appetite with logic. Zombies come from Vodun folklore and are entirely harmless, in earlier folktales they were not even reanimated corpses, but simply people under the mental control of a Bokur (Sorcerer). The proper appellation for an undead creature who dines on human flesh is 'Ghoul'. And even then, the Arabic Ghul were not revenants, but ogre-like demons who dwelled in the desert. George Romero himself, who created the modern Zombie apocalypse genre, hated the term Zombie as he knew of its inappropriateness.

Yeah, as I said before, folklore, mythology, etc... it's all Chinese whispers...  

[Akherontis]

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Yeah, as I said before, folklore, mythology, etc... it's all Chinese whispers...

That's a very glib interpretation. Religion and superstition mean a little more than that. They are man's first, flawed attempt at science. They are an attempt to understand the world around us, by ascribing supernatural explanations for natural phenomena.

Folklore, by contrast, is a little more like Chinese whispers than mythology. There is a difference, although the two branches of superstition do overlap.  

[Elteach]

I seem to recall, that whilst reading a copy of E M Berens' 'Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece and Rome' that it was theorised that of the five different forms of Artemis (Arcadian, Ephesian, Brauronian (Taurikan) and also as Selene-Artemis), it was postulated by Berens that the Ephesian Artemis probably inspired the lunar image,

"The Ephesian Artemis, known to us as "Diana of the Ephesians," was a very ancient Asiatic divinity of Persian origin called Metra, whose worship the Greek colonists found already established, when they first settled in Asia Minor, and whom they identified with their own Greek Artemis, though she really possessed but one single attribute in common with their home deity.

Metra was a twofold divinity, and represented, in one phase of her character, all-pervading love; in the other she was the light of heaven; and as Artemis, in her character as Selene, was the only Greek female divinity who represented celestial light, the Greek settlers, according to their custom of fusing foreign deities into their own, seized at once upon this point of resemblance, and decided that Metra should henceforth be regarded as identical with Artemis."

 

[Javier Cross]

I wonder if there are any gods of Irony, if i may ask, professor Death-and-Sleep?(that's technically what the name means in ancient greek!) sweatdrop  

[Akherontis]

Javier Cross

I wonder if there are any gods of Irony, if i may ask, professor Death-and-Sleep?(that's technically what the name means in ancient greek!) sweatdrop

No, there aren't any gods specifically of Irony. Irony is an element of dramatic theatre.

My user name in Ancient Greek is the genitive form of Akheron, meaning 'Woeful'.  

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Javier Cross

I wonder if there are any gods of Irony, if i may ask, professor Death-and-Sleep?(that's technically what the name means in ancient greek!) sweatdrop

No, there aren't any gods specifically of Irony. Irony is an element of dramatic theatre.

My user name in Ancient Greek is the genitive form of Akheron, meaning 'Woeful'.

I guess the closest god would be... Dionysus?  

[Akherontis]

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Javier Cross

I wonder if there are any gods of Irony, if i may ask, professor Death-and-Sleep?(that's technically what the name means in ancient greek!) sweatdrop

No, there aren't any gods specifically of Irony. Irony is an element of dramatic theatre.

My user name in Ancient Greek is the genitive form of Akheron, meaning 'Woeful'.

I guess the closest god would be... Dionysus?

Possibly. Or, if irony is used in a Socratic sense to position a debating opponent into the trap of making a logical paradox, thus debunking his point - then the god in question would be Momos.  

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Javier Cross

I wonder if there are any gods of Irony, if i may ask, professor Death-and-Sleep?(that's technically what the name means in ancient greek!) sweatdrop

No, there aren't any gods specifically of Irony. Irony is an element of dramatic theatre.

My user name in Ancient Greek is the genitive form of Akheron, meaning 'Woeful'.

I guess the closest god would be... Dionysus?

Possibly. Or, if irony is used in a Socratic sense to position a debating opponent into the trap of making a logical paradox, thus debunking his point - then the god in question would be Momos.

Well, on his wiki... lol... it linked to Satire...

"A common feature of satire is strong irony or sarcasm—"in satire, irony is militant"—but parody, burlesque, exaggeration, juxtaposition, comparison, analogy, and double entendre are all frequently used in satirical speech and writing. This "militant" irony or sarcasm often professes to approve (or at least accept as natural) the very things the satirist wishes to attack."

So I guess Momos is the god of Sarcasm and Irony too...

Though, Dionysus is comedic irony/sarcasm...  

[Akherontis]

Try here: Momos/Momus. He's one of the children of Nyx, and yes, the god of satire, mockery, blame, criticism and censure. One of my personal favourites.

 

[Javier Cross]

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Javier Cross

I wonder if there are any gods of Irony, if i may ask, professor Death-and-Sleep?(that's technically what the name means in ancient greek!) sweatdrop

No, there aren't any gods specifically of Irony. Irony is an element of dramatic theatre.

My user name in Ancient Greek is the genitive form of Akheron, meaning 'Woeful'.

I guess the closest god would be... Dionysus?

Possibly. Or, if irony is used in a Socratic sense to position a debating opponent into the trap of making a logical paradox, thus debunking his point - then the god in question would be Momos.

Well, on his wiki... lol... it linked to Satire...

"A common feature of satire is strong irony or sarcasm—"in satire, irony is militant"—but parody, burlesque, exaggeration, juxtaposition, comparison, analogy, and double entendre are all frequently used in satirical speech and writing. This "militant" irony or sarcasm often professes to approve (or at least accept as natural) the very things the satirist wishes to attack."

So I guess Momos is the god of Sarcasm and Irony too...

Though, Dionysus is comedic irony/sarcasm...

It could mean they share the same kind of position in this regard. sweatdrop

Also, thanks, professor.