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| 2- Only in Services or Study or something like that |
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| 3- All the time, everywhere |
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 Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:58 pm
Okay, let's make it a hat trick.
I only wear a kippah when in some Judaic Study or Judaic Worship, though I pretty much always do wear one in these situations; I rarely leave home without a kippah in a pocket to whip out and use as needed.
Lately, I've been experiencing scrupulosity and feeling so goyish, I have been trying to wear more hats.
I can't be one of those Jews who wears a kippah everywhere because if you knew me in real life you'd know I'm a real douche and people seeing me being an a** around Cork while wearing a kippah will shame all us Jews.
But they won't necessarily know I'm Jewish for just a normal hat, which will still fulfill the custom of covering the head. So I'm doing that more and more often. Also, I wear hats when it's COLD.
Ummm... Help me with a poll for this?
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:46 am
I also cover my head, in keeping with the custom of traditionally-observant women everywhere, the custom of kisui rosh (covering of head).
I'll note that it is kisui rosh, not kisui sa'ar (covering of hair). Yes, there's a difference, even though all my hair is hidden. Kisui sa'ar means that my hair would be covered as a sign of modesty before men. Kisui rosh means that my head (and usually my hair) is covered as a sign of modesty before Hashem. I cover my head, not my hair -- though in covering my head, I generally decide it looks better if my hair is also caught up in my head covering.
I've got a pretty good selection of scarves, hats, caps, and snoods. The snoods are comfortable and pretty inexpensive, but I don't like them as much now as I used to like them when I first bought them. I prefer scarves these days, because they can be tied in so many different ways.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:53 am
By scarves do you mean tichuls or actual scarves?
My wife loves her hats and snood like products
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:51 pm
"Tichel" is a Yiddish word for the English word "scarf," so I mean both. I don't say tichel because I'm Mizrachi. I understand a lot of it because I have to get along with my (mostly Ashkenazi) neighbors, but it's not the mameloshn to me (mother-tongue), the language I go running to when I need to feel comfortable and at home.
Speaking of which, I've been noticing lately that the styles do differ considerably between Ashkenazi women and non-Ashkenazi women. Ashkenaziot seem to wear their hair in -- in order of preference:
(1) snoods for comfort, everyday, Shabbat, an overwhelming majority of the time,
(2) hats for dressier occasions,
(3) caps for attending actual sporting events, and so far I've only seen that when the woman is accompanied by a son or husband who's on the team, and sometimes a bandana at this time,
(4) scarves or bandanas for the most casual times of all, basically the headwear equivalent of jeans-and-sweatshirts or housecleaning attire.
Sephardiot and Mizrachiot seem to prefer -- in order:
(1) scarves (but not bandanas) for the overwhelming majority of the time,
(2) caps when we want to look cute and sporty, regardless of whether we're attending any sort of sporting event,
(3) ladies' hats for dressier occasions, or,
(4) snoods for at home or for getting dressed in a real hurry,
(5) bandanas that reveal some hair but not all of it, but only in extremely casual settings, and only among other women.
I suspect the difference is that the custom of Ashkenazi women is to cover their hair to say "I'm married, look elsewhere for your bashert." Sephardi and Mizrachi women, on the other hand, have the custom of covering our hair to say "I am, or have been, married. I have known intimacy, and therefore am not a suitable mate for a kohein. Get to know me and ask questions if you're still interested after knowing this."
Also, Ashkenazi communities have a little more flexibility about whether the entirety of the hair should be hidden. Some say that a tefach (about a hand-breadth) of hair is permitted to be seen, either at the front or at the back, at any time; others say that if one's head covering slips and shows some hair, a tefach is okay after the fact, but it's not something that should be considered okay to plan for while getting dressed. By contrast, the Sephardi and Mizrachi custom is to cover all the hair all the time in public.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:56 pm
I wasn't aware the translationwas yiddish but I was aware of the similar translation. However in Israel one can buy both scarves and tichuls for head wrappings and they are completely different looking.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:58 pm
Snoods have actually become very fashionable and you can find them in a lot of those hip clothing shops. It's strange, but also useful. Tichels, snoods, and berets can sometimes be on the frumpy side.
I tried covering my hair consistently for awhile, and I still do on a rare occasion. When I'm married (hopefully that will happen) I will cover my head and hair even though I'm fairly certain I will marry someone who doesn't care.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:35 am
ScionoftheBlade In Israel one can buy both scarves and tichuls for head wrappings and they are completely different looking. Just for clarification: A scarf can be longer and narrower or wide on all four (or three) sides; generally, it's large enough to tie around the head at least once. A kerchief is large enough to tie around your neck; a handkerchief is just big enough to dab away perspiration or blow one's nose. Perhaps you can post pictures of them to illustrate what you see as the difference, because in every neighborhood I know, tichel is exactly synonymous with scarf, so saying "you can buy a scarf and a tichel" is just as ridiculous as saying "you can buy a carrot or a carrot" or "you can buy a wristwatch or a wristwatch." There's just no difference at all.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:03 am
Divash ScionoftheBlade In Israel one can buy both scarves and tichuls for head wrappings and they are completely different looking. Just for clarification: A scarf can be longer and narrower or wide on all four (or three) sides; generally, it's large enough to tie around the head at least once. A kerchief is large enough to tie around your neck; a handkerchief is just big enough to dab away perspiration or blow one's nose. Perhaps you can post pictures of them to illustrate what you see as the difference, because in every neighborhood I know, tichel is exactly synonymous with scarf, so saying "you can buy a scarf and a tichel" is just as ridiculous as saying "you can buy a carrot or a carrot" or "you can buy a wristwatch or a wristwatch." There's just no difference at all. I apologize for the confusion. In both Israel and the towns I've lived in the terms scarf and tichul have had different meanings. A tichul is generally more of an actual square shape and a thinner material then a scarf. However as you point out the difference is more local culture then a solid difference as they have the same meaning.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:20 pm
I think Scion's definition of a scarf is like a winter scarf, something more for insulting than for covering a large section of ones head.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:24 pm
kingpinsqeezels I think Scion's definition of a scarf is like a winter scarf, something more for insulting than for covering a large section of ones head. your probably right sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:06 am
In that case, I can answer your question. smile I usually put on several layers just to keep control of my unruly and voluminous hair. 1. First I slip a stretchy headband-like thing over my head and down around my neck. I have these in about four or five colors. I think of them as lingerie for my head. 2. Next I make sure all my hair is outside that band. I brush it, put it into a ponytail, and then either braid it into a bun when it's long, or pin it into place with lots of barrettes when it's shorter like it is right now. 3. I pull up the under-scarf hairband so that it holds all the little wispy bits firmly out of my face. The back is anchored by my bun or ponytail; the sides are over my ears; the front is over the top half of my forehead. 4. Next I put on a cotton cap (I have these in black, white, and brown since I wear a lot of brown) to further restrain my hair, hide my hair color, smooth out the look of whatever scarf I put on over it, and keep slippery silky scarves from slipping off my head and reveal my hair. In winter it's an extra layer of warmth; in summer it absorbs perspiration. When I wear makeup, it protects my pretty scarves from getting discolored by the foundation. I choose the color based on whether I'm wearing light colors (white), dark cool colors (black), or dark warm colors (brown). 5. Then I pick what goes on top. This can be a hat or cap, but is usually a fairly light head scarf. 6. If it is very very cold out, I may put a heavier scarf on TOP of my basic lightweight head scarf. That way I can take it off if I get overheated once I'm inside. If I know I'm going to be at home and no one's coming over, I may 'cheat' and just put on a bandana to keep my hair out of my face while I do housework. At night I leave my hair uncovered, because if the scalp doesn't get enough free air flow, the hair will begin to fall out, and my bashert is not trying to be with a bald chick! wink Also, if I'm in a big hurry, I may just stick with a single layer of a tie-on lightweight scarf. Most of my friends do, too. But I don't feel quite right with only that little on. I feel really vulnerable and naked that way, so if I'm in that big a hurry, I put on the scarf that way, but I take the other stuff with me in my purse so that I can do a better covering job when I get wherever I'm going.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:59 am
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:21 am
Bowing to another human being??? Bad Scion! Bad! Bad, Bad Jew! *Hits Scion with a rolled-up newspaper* Bad Scion!
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:35 pm
Gosh Lummany...
Sounds like quite the routine! I'm jealous. If I ever wear a scarf my mom likes to ask me what's up with the Russian thing. rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:15 am
It sounds more complicated than it actually is. But, yeah, you know, just wear a little bandana if you want. But it isn't really necessary till you're married; talk to your rabbi. You do have one by now, right? You took my advice and found one? wink
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