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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:50 pm
This should probably go in the fanfiction subforum, but no one EVER goes there, so I wanted to put it here for now. Be prepared for a LONG post!
For the past four years or so, I've been working on a fanfiction that is a crossover between our beloved YYH and Inuyasha. Now, it's only recently that I've begun working on the re-write (the original never got past chapter eight) and I'm realizing how sucky IY is in comparison to YYH. But I digress.
Basically, the main plot is that Naraku has gotten through the barrier into our time (or the 1990's, whatever) and, being the complete idiot he is, decides to start up another Dark Tournament a few months after the last one. He invites Kagome, Inuyasha, Sango, and Miroku as the guest team in order to get rid of them and possibly steal their jewel shards.
Koenma finds out (there's a bit of a side-plot having to do with portals and time-space continuity, but that's irrelevant) and sends in Team Urameshi again to help the guest team and, more importantly, find out who's starting up this new tourny since the guys who used to do so are dead.
Luckily, the final round is the Inuyasha team (with Sesshomaru as a fifth member) versus the YYH team. Now. I'm biased in that I stopped liking Inuyasha about two years ago, but in all honesty, those characters do not stand a chance against the YYH characters (except perhaps Sesshy.) But I still want a suspenseful final round (though Naraku will break up the captains' fight anyway) so I'm trying to decide who is going to fight who.
Thus the predicament. Inuyasha and Yusuke seem like a good match; they're not exactly balanced in power, but they have similar mentalities and they're both captains. From there on out, though, I'm stuck. Kuwabara blatantly refuses to fight girls, so that would mean that he would only be able to fight Miroku or Sesshomaru. I'd hate to pit him against Sesshy because I think Kuwabara would be outmatched by him, so I decided to pit him against Miroku...which isn't necessarily fair either, but it's the best I could do.
That leaves Sesshomaru, Kagome, and Sango versus Genkai, Hiei, and Kurama. I figure Sesshomaru would need to fight the strongest of those three, which I would probably peg as Hiei...but then, I'd really like to see Kurama and Sesshy fight (especially since they have somewhat of a history in this fic, given the time-travel element.) That would leave Hiei to fight Sango, though, and she would be completely DESTROYED by the Dragon of the Darkness Flame.
Hiei would never fight Kagome (since all she has are those stupid arrows) so Genkai would have to fight her. Now, if my logic is all right (and feel free to yell if it isn't) my options are down to this: either Kurama and Sango fight, or Hiei and Sango fight. I have no doubt that Hiei or Kurama fighting Sesshy would make for an interesting round--and for some reason I feel like Kurama might spare Sango some humiliation...but I just don't know.
So, assuming you're not asleep from my boring post, what does the YYH guild think? Should Hiei kill Sango with the DOTDF? Should Kurama slice her up with his rose whip? Would Hiei's dragon be able to beat Sesshomaru's giant dog form? Or would Kurama be better for the job? Feel free to discuss anything along these lines; I'll take all the help I can get with this one.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:19 pm
I never watched Inuyasha, but I can say it certainly doesn't look or sound (from all I've seen and heard) as YYH. XD
I think Kurama slicing anyone up is ftmtw, and have been giddy since that time he beheaded Gourmet. xD
I know nothing about that dog form, of course - but those are like, the fires of the deepest pits of hell formed into a badass dragon. I think Hiei's dragon could kill anything it wanted. D:
Don't defy it, it seems pissy. D:
XD I'm not much help, since I don't know what I'm talking about as far as Inuyasha. But. I give you that. xD <3
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:52 pm
Well, if you're really really stuck, I think it'd be more canon to have Kuwabara face Seshy. He is kinda unlucky with his fight match-ups, especially in the Dark Tourney. Then I think Kurama and Miroku could have an interesting fight. And yes, that means I agree to have Sango vs. Hiei. I think it'd add lots of drama and be good, but make Sango survive by the skin of her teeth, mkay? Fatal wounds, all that, Miroku's freaking out, all that stuff, but she survives. Cause Sango's awesome. : )
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:33 pm
havi: That's true, Kuwabara might not get to have a say in who he fights. Then again, I assume that Hiei or Kurama would insist on fighting Sesshomaru, since he's so powerful. Kurama and Miroku would make for an interesting pair...bah! The IY characters are so outmatched by the YYH characters in every way. *headdesk* I wouldn't actually kill anyone off, though. No way. ^^
Teek: I'm sorry. XD I should have realized that people aren't always familiar with the crappy anime that I am. lol.
Let's see. Inuyasha is the main character (duh) and he's a half dog demon. He fights with this big giant sword and has several attacks that are good against most weaker demons. Kagome is his sort-of-girlfriend, and she's just a human with a good amount of spirit energy (that is purifying, as well.) She typically plays the damsel in distress and really only fights with her arrows.
Miroku is a human monk who has a non-magical staff and some dinky anti-demon tricks. His main power is the wind tunnel, which is basically a black hole in his palm that sucks everything into it. (Don't even ask for the logic on that one.) Sango is a human demon slayer. She's got a few powers...the best of which is her giant boomerang which is good for long-range attacks. She also has hidden knives, poison powder, and a pet cat demon who can fly.
Then there's Sesshomaru, who is Inuyasha's older half-brother. He's a full demon (probably at least in B class, possibly higher) who has a TON of awesome powers. He has a whip made of light which kills weak demons, poison claws, sharp teeth, long a** nails, and he can turn into a giant dog demon (though if he did that inside the stadium he'd probably step on everyone.) He's missing his left arm, though, since Inuyasha cut it off in the early episodes.
Anyway, yeah, imagine those five against our favorite YYH boys. It's no contest, but that's mostly my problem. They all kinda correlate to each other, on a wonky basis...Inuyasha and Yusuke's personalities are kinda alike. Kagome and Kuwabara have the honor of being somewhat useless (no offense to Kuwabara, but when compared to the others based only on physical strength, he loses out.)
Miroku and Kurama are both the underappreciated genii (though Miroku is nowhere near as smart as Kurama is.) And Hiei and Sango...well...they both have dark hair? XD They're both determined as hell and they both have younger siblings that they care about.
SO, you see my problem? Kurama could probably fight anyone, but Hiei would probably want to fight Sesshomaru...bah! I'll flip a coin. lol.
Brainwave: What if Miroku fought Hiei and used the wind tunnel against him? Kurama could fight Sesshomaru, and Kuwabara would fight Kagome without actually fighting her. Basically, he would dance around the arena waiting for her to hit him...hmm...still gotta work on that one. XD Then Genkai could fight Sango, and they'd be kinda close in terms of power.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:49 pm
Well, Miroku's wind tunnel just might get him around the Darkness Flame. It would certainly be interesting.
And keep in mind that if you're really worried about power balance, Naraku IS running the Tournament, and he might set some pretty screwy rules. It's not like he'd adhere chapter and verse to the rulebook for the Tournament that used to be run by those dead dudes.
My tentative suggestions are:
Kurama/Sesshomaru Hiei/Miroku Yuusuke/Inu-Yasha Kuwabara/Sango Genkai/Kagome
For the first, the reasons you listed. For the second, because I'd be curious to see how the wind tunnel might affect the Dragon, and because you can play some with Miroku's priest powers; he seems to be good at barriers, which makes a nice overall counter for Hiei's speed and sword techniques. For the third, I also agree with the reasons listed, and it would be fun to see. For the fourth, I think that if Kuwabara isn't given the chance to choose, he'd defend himself pretty staunchly, but actually winning would be difficult enough for him that it would carry suspense; at the same time, though, even when he's not fighting back Sango would have a hell of a time damaging him, and there could even be some expository conversation and the like. For the last, I like those two because the aged psychic versus the young priestess seems like it has kind of an epic ring to it, and I'd love to see how Genkai would handle it, given that she wouldn't want to necessarily hurt Kagome.
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:49 pm
Hiei and Kurama could kick their asses good from what you just told me. xD
But yeah, if you're pairing them over with that kinda thought process, go with Hiei and Sango.
Otherwise, Miroku sounds hardly like a worthwhile fight, and that'd be funny to have Hiei stuck with. ;D
OR. YOUR LAST IDEA. *points* xD I'm no help but I keep responding. razz
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:52 pm
DUDE! HIEI AND MIROKU WOULD BE TOTALLY EPIC!!!! Like I have NO CLUE why I didn't CONSIDER Miroku's wind tunnel! Against against against Hiei's Dragon! Ohhh my goodness XD
No no no! You HAVE to do that! : D
Genkai and Kagome I totally agree on. That'd be freaking exciting, for the reasons borderline_mary stated.
Kuwabara and Sango allows fun dialogue, though as to how that would fair against his Spirit Sword...?
Kurama and Sesshomaru...see I'm just really biased against that I guess because they're both kinda animal demons...and it just really pisses me off to put them together...though I do think Kurama would put up a fair fight, seeing the variety of things he'd have to counter...
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:45 pm
havishanta Kurama and Sesshomaru...see I'm just really biased against that I guess because they're both kinda animal demons...and it just really pisses me off to put them together...though I do think Kurama would put up a fair fight, seeing the variety of things he'd have to counter... Well, depending on how the fight goes, they may not need to resort to animal forms (though Kurama probably wouldn't use his regardless.) It seems a little jarring to pit the bishounen against each other, I know, but I don't think I'll have much of a choice. I was struggling to find a good way to actually get Sesshomaru to join Inuyasha's team--since he dislikes humans and his brother in general, there's no way he'd realistically join their team without something in it for him (which there isn't.) My only brainwave (but one that I think will prove helpful) is to have Kurama go down the well (he can, since Koenma has control of the well now that he knows what it can do--again, part of the side-plot) and challenge Sesshomaru. If he plays it right, the demon will accompany his brother to the tournament if only to fight Kurama. Plus, they met back when Kurama was still Yoko, so that fits, too. What do you guys think about that? And also, thank you all a TON. I'd be really stuck on this without your input. As soon as NaNoWriMo is over, this is going back into my writing schedule. ^_________^
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:41 pm
With Sesshomaru . . . it would depend on the sort of challenge, and the circumstances of its delivery. If he figured it was only to get him into the Tournament, he'd refuse on principal. Of course, I'm not really sure what all their history is supposed to be in terms of previous interaction as demons, so you might have something there with which to work.
As for there being nothing in it for Sesshomaru, how about having Naraku be super-screwy and offer an awesome prize thing? Something immensely valuable which he has no intention of actually forking over anyway? It seems like what he'd do. And, if you can't find positive reinforcement for Sesshomaru, there's always negative. A kidnapped Rin might do it, if combined with something else.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:58 pm
I think the idea of Kurama and Sesshomaru having a past of conflicts could definitely lead to somewhere and would be very interesting. If you think about it, Youko Kurama was a thief, Sesshomaru was a powerful Lord. Possiblities. : )
Of course, present ideas are nice too, though I'm sure there'd be some question as to why Sesshomaru was entering if he suddenly decided to after the kidnapping of Rin. A prize would probably the most reasonable if you wanted a quick, easy enter with no drama llama. : )
As for NaNo, yeah, it's got me frozen on my fanfic too. But, you know, maybe it was the break and writer's get-away I needed to re-energize and improve the plot and my characters. : )
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:45 pm
Well, I've only vaguely hinted (even to myself) at their meeting. At first, I thought that they would only know each other by reputation, or in passing, but the more I think about it, I think a full-blown fight is probably in order.
It would be a great fight which got broken up or otherwise distracted so that neither was killed way back when (obviously.) That, I think, might be enough to tantalize Sesshomaru into agreeing--if I played it right. I believe that Kurama possess enough wit to get Sesshomaru to want to fight him again, so I'm not too worried about the presentation. It won't be totally obvious (such as, "you couldn't beat me in a million years,") but it will be clever enough to get him interested, at least.
By that point, Sesshomaru would know that it was to lure him into going to the tournament, but it probably wouldn't matter as much after Kurama's challenge. I'm certain that he won't fight in the first three rounds, if that allays any fears. Also, havi, that's an awesome idea, though I wish IY had gone more into whether Sesshomaru owns a castle or anything of the sort. He seems to be a wandering lord, who would be rather complicated to steal from, don't you think? XD
I like the idea of Naraku offering an amazing prize, and I think I'll toy with it, but Sesshomaru has never really been the type to covet material objects (other than the Tetsusaiga, which was more of pride thing,) right? He seems to have no interest whatsoever in the sacred jewel, which is basically THE most important item in the cosmos. (Reminds me of mary's Orb, actually.) So, I don't know if something like that would be enough to coerce him into helping.
As for kidnapping Rin, it's a great idea, but one that Naraku couldn't pull off without an insanely awesome time paradox, which I think would be out of his league. (Seeing as he's stuck in the present time, at least as far as he knows.)
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:11 pm
(Woot! Love your siggy, InkMistress! Congrats! : DDD)
Kurama and Sesshomaru mind games sound like the most entertaining thing ever. I look forward to reading. : P
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:51 am
To me this set up would make the most sense: Inuyasha vs Yusuke Sesshoumaru vs Hiei Miroku vs Kurama Sango vs Genkai Kagome vs Kuwabara
I know Kuwabara wouldn't fight a girl, so he'd refuse to fight but Kagome isn't really a fighter to begin with. Koga would be a better choice in my opinion. Kuwabara vs Koga would be an interesting match.
And this way you have two the smart(er) characters going against each other, the female fighters paired off, and the over-powerful, quiet guys going againts one another. (Meido zangetsuha vs the Dragon of Darkness Flame)
Kurama vs Sesshoumaru would be interesting but Hiei vs Miroku wouldn't be within Hiei's personality. I don't think Hiei would want to fight a human. He can be an honorable character and him fighting a human would just be a slaughter even without the dragon. Even with Miroku's wind tunnel Hiei's just too fast; Miroku would be dead before he could open the wind tunnel (especially if Hiei knew about the wind tunnel before the fight.) Even if Miroku could seal all of Hiei's flame techniques, Hiei is still a super fast swordsman.
With this set up it would be possible to make the last match (Inuyasha vs Yusuke) a tie-breaker as well. Kuwabara and Genkai lose and Hiei and Kurama win.
This is just my logic on the most even match ups.
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:27 pm
Genkai lose? It depends on the season I guess. But still, I think that's unlikely. : s
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:00 pm
Yeah, because Genkai is quite old and after the Dark Tournament she can no longer become young. Genkai going against Sango means that Genkai has to defeat someone much younger with a similar amount of battle experience. (Sango is a demon exterminator after all, not to mention all of the battles fighting Naraku.) Anyone capable of dealing Naraku significant damage can beat an old woman. Well, the truth is, in the manga (chapter 175) it is revealed that Genkai died (of natural causes, presumably.) http://www.onemanga.com/Yu_Yu_Hakusho/175/04/Last panel on the page if you don't believe me. Both of the teams would be better off if Kagome and Genkai weren't fighters. Koga and one of guys from the Makai Tournament (Touya or Jin or maybe one of Raizen's old friends) would be more logical. It would also allow for more flexibility in the match-ups.
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