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 Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:42 pm
I was reading through Ramakrishna's writings concerning truth in various religions and I came across this:
"Who can make a system from divine mystery? But if any sincere practitioner, within whatever culture or religion, prays and meditates with great devotion and committment to Truth alone, Your Grace will flood his mind and heart, O Mother."
Sound familiar? It should. There are many who think like this, that there are many paths to the top of the mountain, it's found in different religious traditions. Ramakrishna was strong in his words to Hindus, Christians and Muslims in regards to their belief that their path is the one and only correct path, he considered it insanity for someone to declare ones own religion to hold the truth alone..
Many in this group are convinced that they are correct and that their way is the only way to truth but why? How can any of us really be sure? From what little I've read of Ramakrishna, he seems to have been very enlightened. I guess that's one of the reasons why he is widely considered to have been jivanmukti.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:37 pm
The object in life is not to be right but is to not be heretic.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:45 pm
CH1YO said:Quote: The object in life is not to be right but is to not be heretic. Care to define Heretic for us all? Because when you say Heretic I assume you come from the Christian standpoint meaning anyone being Pagan being a Heretic and that is insulting and ignorant to any Pagan's such as myself. However seeing as I don't know if that is you stand point could you care to clarify if it is or isn't for me?
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:47 pm
Zslone2 CH1YO said:Quote: The object in life is not to be right but is to not be heretic. Care to define Heretic for us all? Because when you say Heretic I assume you come from the Christian standpoint meaning anyone being Pagan being a Heretic and that is insulting and ignorant to any Pagan's such as myself. However seeing as I don't know if that is you stand point could you care to clarify if it is or isn't for me? Heretic is individual, it means wrong thought. It is indeed my point that calling heathen is a needless task.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:04 pm
That didn't answer my question. Who would you call a heretic i suppose is my question just better worded. So Who would you call a Heretic? Since I still stand by me assumption that you think anyone non-christian is a Heretic possibly excluding Judaism and Islam. -Edit the Dictionary Definition of Heretic Quote: a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church. Is that who you call a Heretic anyone who doesn't believe in what the church has to say?
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:45 pm
CH1YO Zslone2 CH1YO said:Quote: The object in life is not to be right but is to not be heretic. Care to define Heretic for us all? Because when you say Heretic I assume you come from the Christian standpoint meaning anyone being Pagan being a Heretic and that is insulting and ignorant to any Pagan's such as myself. However seeing as I don't know if that is you stand point could you care to clarify if it is or isn't for me? Heretic is individual, it means wrong thought. It is indeed my point that calling heathen is a needless task. Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:44 am
Semiremis I was reading through Ramakrishna's writings concerning truth in various religions and I came across this: "Who can make a system from divine mystery? But if any sincere practitioner, within whatever culture or religion, prays and meditates with great devotion and committment to Truth alone, Your Grace will flood his mind and heart, O Mother."Sound familiar? It should. There are many who think like this, that there are many paths to the top of the mountain, it's found in different religious traditions. Ramakrishna was strong in his words to Hindus, Christians and Muslims in regards to their belief that their path is the one and only correct path, he considered it insanity for someone to declare ones own religion to hold the truth alone.. Many in this group are convinced that they are correct and that their way is the only way to truth but why? How can any of us really be sure? From what little I've read of Ramakrishna, he seems to have been very enlightened. I guess that's one of the reasons why he is widely considered to have been jivanmukti. This is why I like the Unitarians. They echo the same sentiments; there is no right answer; follow what seems right to you, as long as you are good to your fellow man. Though where does that quote leave Atheists? I guess I just don't see the point in praying and meditation; I am happy and enjoy my life the way it is. I am a good person. Spirituality just really isn't necessary in my life. Is that wrong?
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:37 am
alteregoivy Semiremis I was reading through Ramakrishna's writings concerning truth in various religions and I came across this: "Who can make a system from divine mystery? But if any sincere practitioner, within whatever culture or religion, prays and meditates with great devotion and committment to Truth alone, Your Grace will flood his mind and heart, O Mother."Sound familiar? It should. There are many who think like this, that there are many paths to the top of the mountain, it's found in different religious traditions. Ramakrishna was strong in his words to Hindus, Christians and Muslims in regards to their belief that their path is the one and only correct path, he considered it insanity for someone to declare ones own religion to hold the truth alone.. Many in this group are convinced that they are correct and that their way is the only way to truth but why? How can any of us really be sure? From what little I've read of Ramakrishna, he seems to have been very enlightened. I guess that's one of the reasons why he is widely considered to have been jivanmukti. This is why I like the Unitarians. They echo the same sentiments; there is no right answer; follow what seems right to you, as long as you are good to your fellow man. Though where does that quote leave Atheists? I guess I just don't see the point in praying and meditation; I am happy and enjoy my life the way it is. I am a good person. Spirituality just really isn't necessary in my life. Is that wrong? I'm not sure how or if atheism would fit into that at all according to the views of Ramakrishna but the way I see it atheists could be the perfect match. A bunch of the ones I've talked to are atheists because of a 'commitment to truth'.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:36 pm
It was always a mistery to me why in so many places on Earth, in so many cultures, there are always some kinds of religions and beliefs. I think the fear of death is the main reason but I never did any good research. I just quote one of my proffesors, but I really agree with this. I think death was always making people wonder.
I think what the name of the god is very unimportant and sadly all "holy wars" come from not understanding the simple fact that people are different from each other (but still something makes us all "humans")...
I also don't care if someone is religious or not, I always look at what kind of person it is. But I know some truly devoted people and when I see they're honest with that and they don't hurt anyone or they don't try to change others... I simply love such people, and I'm quite jelaous. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:49 pm
Zslone2 Because when you say Heretic I assume you come from the Christian standpoint meaning anyone being Pagan being a Heretic That's neither the "Christian standpoint" nor inclusive of the meaning of the word "heretic". The definition you provided a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church. Emphasis mine. If you're not Christian, you cannot be a heretic in regard to Christian beliefs. It's contrary to the definition of the word and therefore impossible. It's not saying, "I believe something other than Christianity," it's saying, "I'm a Baptist, but I believe in worshiping the Saints as gods and that Jesus was just a man with some powers and that YHWH is the enemy of humanity."
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:07 pm
Did you get a chance to check out this website? http://www.islamoncapitolhill.com. Especially in light of the president recently honoring their holiday of prayer and denying the Christians request to attend.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:22 pm
Im muslim. And whatever a person wants to believe in sumthing you dont force them to believe you religeon. Every religeon has its own right. Maybe your proud to be Jewish , Muslim or Cristians (etc). Believe in what you want to believe. No one has a right for stopping you..
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:26 pm
Zslone2 That didn't answer my question. Who would you call a heretic i suppose is my question just better worded. So Who would you call a Heretic? Since I still stand by me assumption that you think anyone non-christian is a Heretic possibly excluding Judaism and Islam. -Edit the Dictionary Definition of Heretic Quote: a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church. Is that who you call a Heretic anyone who doesn't believe in what the church has to say? Who would I call a heretic? Those who deify science or disparage faith. That d**k Dawkins chief among them for propagating these heresies. I'm not a fan of Islam either. It's hardly of substance who might not care for though is it?
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:28 pm
Semiremis CH1YO Zslone2 CH1YO said:Quote: The object in life is not to be right but is to not be heretic. Care to define Heretic for us all? Because when you say Heretic I assume you come from the Christian standpoint meaning anyone being Pagan being a Heretic and that is insulting and ignorant to any Pagan's such as myself. However seeing as I don't know if that is you stand point could you care to clarify if it is or isn't for me? Heretic is individual, it means wrong thought. It is indeed my point that calling heathen is a needless task. Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly sweatdrop A heretic thinks or believes what destroys himself. It is the failure of life.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:32 pm
Again Please Elaborate. I'm still not sure what you mean as a Heretic. I realize my assumption is wrong so now I don't understand what you mean as Heretic. Please be specific as to your response so I along with others understand what you mean.
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