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Shiraz?
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Airazor
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:59 am


So, there's been quite a bit of drama going around recently, eh? But where has Air been? Well, doing what Air does best; lurking in the shadows, gathering information that'll give her a clear understanding at how s**t hit the fan in the first place.

Now, I'll tell you. When I first saw the kickings and then bannings, I too thought, is Tary really abusing her powers? I mean, it was just the way things so secretive, and cold. But if I just took it as that, I wouldn't be solving the problem, because I was only seeing one side of the story.

I took in information, asking people what's been going on. After a bit of prying, I started to see the bigger picture. About how Tary's appearently been told to do such things. Whether true or not, at the time that was a lead in the right direction. Why? Well, because I had also seen the thread she had made about wanting to step down because of various issues. I also remembered how she was being hurt by others cause of earlier actions. It's the case with any leadership, sometimes you have to make decisions that aren't exactly friendly.

It was at this point I knew that I had to talk to Tary. Because I knew this wasn't some plot of hers to kill the guild. I mean, if she really wanted to destroy the guild, there are so many other things that she could do to destroy it. Hell, I could even cause a bit of that havoc if I wanted to.

No, what was wrong was exactly as it seems. Tary was under a lot of pressure, and, although she can be a great leader, there was a bit of distrust in her. And recently, her actions only dug her deeper. The bannings, her deleting threads, hiding and seemingly being rude. But why?

She was hurt. She's human, just like anyone of you. Nad saw this and I could see what would have happened from there. Nad could have seen this as being a larger issue than it was. As though these small dramas were tearing the guild apart. But were they? He was getting a lot of this picture from a distraught Tary. The best solution he saw was to remove what he saw as a large threat to the guild. However, where did that lead us? To a more serious drama, one that only caused a larger backlash towards Tary.

Could you imagine Tary going to Nad now. Nad would ask her, who's upsetting her now. She could very well answer, the entire guild! Would that lead Nad to nuking the entire guild over a misunderstanding?

That's what all of this is. A huge misunderstanding. No one's truly at fault. Is Tary a bad leader? No. Would someone else do a better job? At some points, yes, but there is no perfect leader. Where Tary is great, another will fail, and where that other will be great, Tary will fail. And those opinions will vary from person to person. Their are those out there who will look at Tary and think she's the perfect leader, while others will think she's the worst ever, and incapable of thought. You can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

Where does that put us now? Well, as I said, I spoke with Tary. She thanked me for talking to her in a civil and adult manner. She isn't trying to make enemies. She isn't trying to rule over this guild with an iron fist. She doesn't even want to lead this guild anymore because all it's bringing her is misery. But she doesn't really have that option right now. So I told her that I'm always here. And that I'll make a thread, this thread, to set things right.

How? Simple. We need to start over. On the right foot. It does seem that Tary started off on the wrong foot, and over time it has led to this. Can this be fixed? Only if you make it happen. This is a guild - a family. And although Tary isn't in the right state to lead at the moment, there are others in this guild who can help you with the same things. It isn't fair to hate her, and berate her.

I've asked her to invite Liz and King back to the guild - which she has. She wants to fix this, but the only way for things to be right again is with everyone's co-operation. "...ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"

All I ask of you is to stop blaming eachother for problems in the guild. Be part of the solution, and remember we all have feelings. Even Air. Although Air's feelings are all about Shiraz, that's why she's so chill as many of you have pointed out to me lately while saying that I should lead. Air doesn't need power to lead. Neither do you. Lead by example.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:10 am


Thank god another voice of reason, gj Air. You did exactly what I did to assess the situation, we're cool.

Magyk
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:23 am


So we act like we are all friends again? like nothing happened? and that she didnt all hurt us?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:27 am


No words were spoken more truly or wisely Air.

First of all, I would like to personally apologize to Taryn. I am most deeply sorry for the hurt and trouble I have caused you. In the beginning your intentions were not clear, and you did not respond immediately in the way we wanted you too; thus we misjudged you and set these terrible acts into motion. When we should have treated you with patience and trust, we gave you ignorance and suspicion. For this I am sorry. Once upon a time, I thought myself a wise, learned person but these recent events have shown me that I am still so very ignorant. I swear to you that I will learn from not only my mistakes, but from the mistakes of others. I want you to know that I acted on impulse and passion, disregarding my mind. It was a foolish, and terrible mistake; one I hope never to make again.

Secondly I wish to apologize for not seeking the truth from you, but instead going my own way with my own assumptions. Because of my rash actions I felt I could not trust you to be honest, and for that I feel shamed. Instead of coming to you and being civil, I turned into a spiteful and ugly monster, throwing slander at you without knowing what truly was happening. For this I am also, deeply, sorry.

It was never my wish, or in my heart to see this guild and my family so badly hurt as it has been and regretfully I blame myself for this. I brought this pain upon all of us, and that is unforgivable. You were once my close friend, and I should have trusted you more, but sadly I didn't. It is my hope that we all can learn from this, and become better people, better friends, and a better family.

I have shamed myself, and my fellow family members by treating you so horridly Taryn. No words can express my grief as I now realize the answers tumbling into place.

Taryn, in the future, if such events should begin again, I hope you will know that you may come to me and confide. From this day forth I shall hold a level head and not act upon my emotions so rashly. From now on, I hope I can be looked upon as a strong member of this family who can support, love, and help you, and the other guildies, as much as you've supported, loved, and helped me.

Last night, I was deeply hurt when I opened that fateful message, but that pain can not compare to the pain you must be feeling, and the pain I am feeling right now. As I look back, I am both shocked and appalled by my behavior and I have no excuse.

Taryn, I am sorry for the things I have done. I only hope we can learn to be friends again.

And to my guild mates, I am sorry for this trouble I have brought upon you. It is my hope that you learn from my mistakes and never repeat them yourselves.

xXxLadyAngelxXx
So we act like we are all friends again? like nothing happened? and that she didnt all hurt us?


No Angel. We do not forget, lest we repeat our actions. No, we must forgive each other and understand that we are all human, and none of us are perfect. Taryn was not the only one doing the hurting, also. Even yourself, Angel, I'm sure, have hurt Taryn by your words or actions.

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Alec Eifel

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:18 am


I know nobody is going to forgive me 100%, and Il accept that. I let my feelings overcome me and I got ugly, which isn't very leaderlike of me at all. I guess Im a bit too emotional >.>

I am very very sorry for what I have done though, I look back and think "Wow, thats not very Tary like." I snapped, I really did. When I tried just brushing off all the nagging, I got blaimed for "ignoring the situation". I just didn't want to cry or have a fit because of something on the internet, thats silly, but it all did get to me outside the monitor.

Runescape and this guild used to be my little escape from my real life, where I could go and cut trees while making perverted jokes with my friends, then it started to feel like work. I would take a deep sarcastic breath before entering the forum.

At this point, I am not sure if I am quitting or what. I think Ive tried quitting 3 times now? I even undressed my avi, hoping to switch accounts, blocked myself from the clan chat and so on. But the few friends I kept in here through all this, made me just want to come back, not really as a leader, but as a friend. But by the looks of it, I think Im at least stuck with the vice captian title. >.>. I do want to help the guild, but remember, Im not the only one who can do "moddly" changes. Sure Im the most active when it comes to the more higher up guys, but we also have a great crew if for some reason you cannot get through to me. Am I saying stress them out instead of me? No. But I do think together, we can make this guild great. Im not the only one who can make changes. We all can. And if Im sticking around, Im not going to let some invisible force control me and you guys, thats just silly. Nobody likes ghosts. They are spooky.

I am sorry Lizzy and the rest of the guild. I have really let you down. Im not really sure how I thought banning who was hurting me most would fix the problem, just made those who were somewhat there for me dissapear. Like Ive stated before, this was a d**k move on my part.

And Lizzy, I forgive you. I know you had good intentions.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:36 am


Thank you Tary for the apology thats all we ever wanted(or incase nobody feels that way, its all i ever wanted). I too am sorry, for the things I intetionally and unintetionally said that hurt you and made you feel this way towards us. We let our emotions get a hold of us aswell and that generally isnt a bad thing as it is what bonds us so closly together, the love we feel towards one another, but in some cases, such as this, it causes alot more stress and drama than is needed. I understand your point of view now thanks to air but I am also glad to see you seen ours aswell. I hope that our guild can heal from this tho for it is only something that should be remembered as a lesson to all of us.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:34 am


Hmmm.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:15 am


<3 Neutralities. Lurve you all. <3

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ninjaf00d

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:09 pm


As promised
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:24 pm


Tl biggrin r

I got the gist though.

Lord Sutekh


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:34 pm


It's over!!!
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:00 pm


xXxLadyAngelxXx
Thank you Tary for the apology thats all we ever wanted(or incase nobody feels that way, its all i ever wanted). I too am sorry, for the things I intetionally and unintetionally said that hurt you and made you feel this way towards us. We let our emotions get a hold of us aswell and that generally isnt a bad thing as it is what bonds us so closly together, the love we feel towards one another, but in some cases, such as this, it causes alot more stress and drama than is needed. I understand your point of view now thanks to air but I am also glad to see you seen ours aswell. I hope that our guild can heal from this tho for it is only something that should be remembered as a lesson to all of us.

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Alec Eifel


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:55 pm


I forgive you Taryn, I let my feelings get to me too, somewhat. I guess I exaggerated a little and forgot that you had feelings to be hurt too. It's just that this has been my home for nearly 2 years if not very close to, and I didn't want such a sudden change. Sorry from my part too, I hope we can start over. Plus, what good is fighting when you can love. heart
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:31 pm


This may come across completely wrong but I'll try smile

I must say I'm impressed on where this has gone. I personally have been hiding in the shadows, checking periodically to see where this whole entire mess would come to and just keep my mouth shut for it would be in the wrong place.

As stated many times before, we are family, and holding a great relationship with everyone is a great key for having a guild. With issues, it's pointless to start assuming things or pointing fingers because it will inevitably cause "drama".

Why do I say all this? I'm a leader of a clan for ******** sake, haha. I deal with our members every day, sorting out difficulties that may arise and maintaining the clan into one great community that would be inviting for others to join. I personally make some tough decisions even under pressure from decisions from us all. Though I admit I think (note: think - I cannot see what's actually going on up there) there's an equality factor missing from this guild that maybe should be addressed with the leaders. Instead of having just a person or so take control, let there be votes in the upper drafts smile

But anyways, I am not running the guild and so I am not in my right place to speak such things.

Although I haven't personally experienced any drama (mostly because I try to avoid it as much as possible due to me having to deal with it all the time in Experts as is) I feel that there are some very great people to chill with in the clan. Tary is a fun individual to socialize with in my views and at first I could not see where everyone was coming from. Partly I did not see any way possible for all this to happen...

Anyways, you all get the idea smile

Love you all much,
~Hampy heart

Miss Hampy


Alec Eifel

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:55 pm


Another thing,

I love you guys like a fat kid loves cake

even if you don't forgive me or even acknowledge my existance anymore.

I want some cake.
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