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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:46 pm


For better or worse is the question.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/burton_35948___article.html/world_stories.html

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DENVER - As the World Trade Center towers collapsed into smoking ruins on Sept. 11, 2001, Mike Burton gathered his three children in their Peyton home and told them, "It's up to you guys to change the world."

Seven years after the attacks that left Americans stunned, Coloradans may be voting on a proposal that Kristi Burton, a 20-year-old deeply religious home-schooled woman, thinks will change the world: an abortion ban.

Dubbed the Personhood Amendment, her proposal is simple in its succinctness: It states that the state constitution should be amended to define a person as including any human being from the moment of fertilization.

The implications of that statement, though, are certain to make Colorado a national battleground on the abortion issue - it could outlaw abortions and some birth control.

It's a battle Burton doesn't shy from.

"If I know what's going on and do nothing, that's not how I should live my life," she said last week, citing one of her favorite biblical verses. "I honestly feel that this is what God called me to do."

It's a calling she says she's had since she was 13.

It's also been what's guided her since an even earlier age when her mother, Debra Burton, would read inspirational stories to her and her two brothers as part of their education.

The stories were about taking on powerful institutions or standing up for what's right, stories about Martin Luther, who led the Protestant Reformation, and Corrie ten Boom, a Dutch Christian who helped Jews escape the Nazis during World War II.

Burton would tell her mother she wished she'd been born during another time when she could have been the champion of the downtrodden.

"She's always been a very committed person, very sincere, an ‘I-want-tomake-a-difference-in-theworld-type person,'" said John S. Smith, senior pastor of Majestic View Church, the Baptist church in Kiowa that the Burtons have attended for seven years. "She was raised that way, but there's always been something about her that doesn't want to sit back and watch the world go by."

Burton and her organization, Colorado for Equal Rights, must turn in 76,047 valid signatures of registered voters by May 13 to qualify for the ballot. Organizers said recently they are within a couple of thousand of their goal.

Defining life in the constitution as beginning at fertilization would not immediately ban abortions.

But laws or lawsuits based on it could make abortion a crime and possibly ban birth control that keeps fertilized eggs from implanting, such as the morning-after pill.

Burton said she chose that approach because the Supreme Court, in its 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to abortion, wrote the ruling could be overturned if the personhood of the fetus is established.

Ironically, Burton's crusade has split the national anti-abortion movement.

The Catholic Conference of Colorado has said this isn't the right time to try to pass an outright ban, preferring to chip at Roe v. Wade.

Burton, who's working toward a law degree through online courses offered by Oak Brook College based in her native California, doesn't have any doubts about what she's doing.

She uses the word "right" whenever discussing what's she doing and why.

"I always believe it's the right time to do what's right," she said.

Burton's parents moved to Colorado in 1996 with their daughter and two sons, Danny and Josh.

Her mother has counseled women who've had abortions, and her father had done counseling through their church.

Their daughter was not a typical teenager. Although she spent some time at the mall, she was more likely to be found with her brothers - they all have "code names" for each other.

During her high school studies, she competed in American Legion speech tournaments, taking the anti-abortion side.

She earned a high school diploma at 15 and began a program at her church in which she talks to young girls about purity, appropriate dress and appropriate behavior.

Before beginning her Personhood petition drive, her political experience was limited to working as a volunteer for U.S. Rep. Doug Lamborn's campaign in 2006.

She chose law school to gain the expertise needed for the legal fight against abortion rights that she knew was ahead of her, she said.

Her family not only supports her cause, they are her campaign staff and foot soldiers while she gives talks on Christian radio programs and at churches.

Her father works full time on the campaign, and her mother handles the office tasks. Danny, 19, and Josh, 17, hand out campaign material.

"This is her coming out," Mike Burton said of his daughter. "She's been an inspiration to me."

Burton's dedication has galvanized those whose beliefs mirror hers.

Her campaign director, Keith Mason, was working in Kansas when he read about Burton and immediately called to volunteer his services.

Cal Zastrow, formerly chairman of Michigan Citizens for Life, moved his wife and four children to Colorado to work as the campaign's volunteer coordinator.

"She's a breath of fresh air," said Mason, a veteran of the anti-abortion movement. "In politics, you tend to get jaded. I think Kristi's optimism and boldness to step forward is just what this campaign needs."

"She is a diamond in the pro-life movement," said Judie Brown, president of the American Life League.

Abortion rights activists are preparing for what they see as this election year's most serious assault on Roe v. Wade.

"This amendment ... is vague and it's dangerous and it invites government intrusion into people's lives," said Toni Panetta, spokeswoman for the Protect Families Protect Choice Ballot Committee.

Jody Berger, spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood, said the organization will be involved in the campaign but declined to confirm Burton's claim that it will pour up to $10 million into the state to fight her Personhood Amendment.

A coalition that includes Planned Parenthood and the League of Women Voters will launch its campaign against the initiative Tuesday, arguing that because of the broad language, in-vitro fertilization and common birth-control methods such as the pill could be outlawed.

Burton knows it will get harder if her proposal gets on the ballot. Mason has received death threats and she's also been threatened, Burton said.

"It's kind of scary, but it doesn't make me doubt what I believe in. I know it's right," she said recently. "I do trust that this is in God's hands and this is what I'm supposed to do."

CONTACT THE WRITER: (303) 837-0613 or ed.sealover@gazette.com

PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT

What it says:
Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado constitution defining the term "person" to include any human being from the moment of fertilization as "person" is used in those provisions of the Colorado constitution relating to inalienable rights, equality of justice and due process of law?

What it could do:

- Ban abortion in Colorado c Ban some forms of birth control

- Ban fetal homicide that can occur during attacks on a pregnant woman

COLORADO ABORTION MEASURES

Colorado voters have weighed in on abortion initiatives several times during the past decade. Here's how they turned out:

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban (199 cool : Failed 51% to 49%

Parental Notification for Abortion Requirement (199 cool : Passed 55% to 45%

Requirements for Consent to Abortion (2000): Failed 61% to 39%
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:22 pm


As this guild has educated me though, its not about whether its person at all, but whether a woman is required to donate her resources to someone else against her will. :/

I really feel that this will not pass, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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[Ernie]

PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:59 pm


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Burton would tell her mother she wished she'd been born during another time when she could have been the champion of the downtrodden.


What the ******** is the LGBT community, chopped liver?

According to the numbers from earlier ballot measure votes, I sincerely doubt this will pass. The state of Colorado wouldn't ban "partial-birth" abortion; it's doubtful they'll go for a ban that is so ambiguous that it could be interpreted to ban some forms of contraception.
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:59 am


[Ernie]
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Burton would tell her mother she wished she'd been born during another time when she could have been the champion of the downtrodden.


What the ******** is the LGBT community, chopped liver?


Amen to that.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:22 am


You know, I support home schooling but it does make me worry what kind of lies and bs parents are feeding their children to make them this crazy.

I don't think it will pass. Like the other anti-choice freak said out-right bans wont pass but chipping away at Roe will.
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:16 pm


[Ernie]
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Burton would tell her mother she wished she'd been born during another time when she could have been the champion of the downtrodden.


What the ******** is the LGBT community, chopped liver?

According to the numbers from earlier ballot measure votes, I sincerely doubt this will pass. The state of Colorado wouldn't ban "partial-birth" abortion; it's doubtful they'll go for a ban that is so ambiguous that it could be interpreted to ban some forms of contraception.

QFT.

It scares me and pisses me off all at once that people this ******** jaded actually exist. It scares me even more that this girl is going to law school. I mean, obviously she's not stupid, she's just been fed fundamentalist, right wing, Christian bullshit throughout her entire life and now she's going to bring it into a courtroom. YAY. stare

Just wondering, but if this bill does pass, wouldn't that make miscarrying manslaughter?

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:34 pm


God, I hate it when people use their personal beliefs to try to ban something that does not concern them. D: If she's so concerned about babies dying, why doesn't she go to third world countries and help the mothers who want to carry their babies to full term, but cannot?

I'm getting really tired of people trying to force beliefs on others. I don't want to live by other's morals, I don't want to be forced to conform to a set of rules that I do not agree with. I LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY FOR A REASON. I still stand by my belief that this is the biggest flaw in the pro-life argument and why it can never work in our modern society: outlawing abortion forces one to live by a subjective moral unlawfully so. I have the freedom of religion, and therefore the freedom of my morals, and I'll be damned if someone infringes on my rights and takes that away from me.
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:21 pm


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God, I hate it when people use their personal beliefs to try to ban something that does not concern them. D: If she's so concerned about babies dying, why doesn't she go to third world countries and help the mothers who want to carry their babies to full term, but cannot?

I'm getting really tired of people trying to force beliefs on others. I don't want to live by other's morals, I don't want to be forced to conform to a set of rules that I do not agree with. I LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY FOR A REASON. I still stand by my belief that this is the biggest flaw in the pro-life argument and why it can never work in our modern society: outlawing abortion forces one to live by a subjective moral unlawfully so. I have the freedom of religion, and therefore the freedom of my morals, and I'll be damned if someone infringes on my rights and takes that away from me.


Yeah, I just got into it on Facebook w/ some pro life group and told them that if they were all so concerned about babies then they should go adopt them and THEN try to tell me how to live my life. Ugh. Take care of the ones already here, don't add more.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:29 pm


Wow.... speaking of the facebook debate, from a FEMALE pro-lifer, I just got this about the rape-pregnancy issue:

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you shouldnt be killing someone such as an innocent baby that God is giving you when he could have made you unable to bare children or even if you were raped, you could have as much died!


..... wow.
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:33 pm


Homeschooling does bother me. I like the concept due to the crap half of the stuff local schools are doing (wasting money on sports, cutting all non-sports related after school activities, spending thousands of dollars on honor students and nothing to help students that are failing and need help). Most of the online homeschool programs and mail-in packets had better programs that our local schools. But yes parents abuse that, the child sees only what the parents wants them to see and they become blinded and the parent is the only one they will listen to.

I don't see this going through as the statisics show. What really stops this is the religion aspect. If motive is religion for this ban, then that would violate the first amendment rights automatically, but I think people forget what the first amendment reads and how it works. They forget their rights only protect their small sphere whether that be their house, apartment, backpack or office space. It does not protect their right to force their belief system.

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:57 pm


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Wow.... speaking of the facebook debate, from a FEMALE pro-lifer, I just got this about the rape-pregnancy issue:

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you shouldnt be killing someone such as an innocent baby that God is giving you when he could have made you unable to bare children or even if you were raped, you could have as much died!


..... wow.

"Be thankful you were raped, you could be dead!"
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:22 pm


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FallenEverdark
Wow.... speaking of the facebook debate, from a FEMALE pro-lifer, I just got this about the rape-pregnancy issue:

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you shouldnt be killing someone such as an innocent baby that God is giving you when he could have made you unable to bare children or even if you were raped, you could have as much died!


..... wow.

"Be thankful you were raped, you could be dead!"


Yeah, basically. She then went on to say she had been raped, but after that response, I kind of figured she was saying that to try & negate my point. Oh well. :/

It just floors me how vile and cold people can be about other people's lives.

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:42 pm


FallenEverdark
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Wow.... speaking of the facebook debate, from a FEMALE pro-lifer, I just got this about the rape-pregnancy issue:

Quote:
you shouldnt be killing someone such as an innocent baby that God is giving you when he could have made you unable to bare children or even if you were raped, you could have as much died!


..... wow.

"Be thankful you were raped, you could be dead!"


Yeah, basically. She then went on to say she had been raped, but after that response, I kind of figured she was saying that to try & negate my point. Oh well. :/

It just floors me how vile and cold people can be about other people's lives.

Its funny you say that; I saw a pro-life comment today, virtually the same, about how cold and vile we are for not cherishing human life.

Of course, we see it differently, that they are cold and vile toward the feelings and thoughts of women who are pregnant. Though, I have to agree with you on this one, and I'm sure many pro-life people would, too, that telling someone to be thankful that they were raped is certainly NOT right, no matter what you think of the fetus, baby, whatever the hell you want to call that developing egg in the woman's uterus. O_o

I suppose its just one of those things that we'll never understand about each other; we cherish and celebrate lives already here, and they celebrate and cherish new life.

Sorry for my rambling, I think I'm done now. ^^;;
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:57 pm


20 Shades of Crazy
God, I hate it when people use their personal beliefs to try to ban something that does not concern them. D: If she's so concerned about babies dying, why doesn't she go to third world countries and help the mothers who want to carry their babies to full term, but cannot?
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My fellow gaian, you maybe 20 shades of crazy, but crazy is the "code name" for GENIUS! biggrin Lol. But yeah..:

Statistically, more unborn African children die each year than in North America and Europe combined (it's Europe or Austrailia, one of those two.. o.o they're very alike..well, not really..ahem..) Also statistically, there are more people who really are either undecided or supportive of abortion- because they live in an overpopulated world- or the things related to it (such as the morning-after pill). So, why is Africa generally a hush-hush subject when it comes up in the Pro-choice/Pro-life argument? Because neither side technically looks up these statistics, and the pro-life side especially likes to ignore how they're aiming this argument at the more lavished life in the United States (or anywhere that's not a third world country). In fact, in Kenya and Europia (mispelled? confused ) , American or european pro-lifers are generally disliked or discriminated against BECAUSE they come from a lavished country where rape CAN be reported and DEALT with, and birth control and sexual education and information can be obtained easily.
So, if such ladies as the Burton lady would like to change the world..why not go to the third world? Even Myamar- they definitely need help right now, despite what their government claims (plus I believe it was Myamar that had a majority of those bad, sinful pro-choicers).
Plus, she is wanting to ban this in America. The United States of America, who was built of a Declaration that was considered a treason, and was led by those treasononing men who signed the declaration copies to a government that was built off a balance-and-check, democratic government that is supposed to PROMOTE the natural rights to MANKIND; taking away a woman's natural rights has become cliche, since the ratification of the nineteenth amendment.
*phew, my typing fingers hurt!* whee

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:49 am


I hate it when religious zealots hide behind God in their arguement. They do not care about the fetii as much as they do about controlling others with their beliefs and bending them to their whims with fear.
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