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Tweezle

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:46 pm


Excerpted from the intro to the grammar:

At heart, this is a personal artlang for entertainment purposes. I am imagining the land and people to go along with the language as the primary creation, rather than the other way around. My end goal is to have a language that is learnable and usable by Earthling humans (i.e., me) and generally pleasant to my ear. I will likely make up stories around it as I go. I just do that. It's mostly a priori. It is likely to have borrowings, outright stolen words, and inside jokes imported from Earthish natlangs. I just do that too.


It's generally VSO, although case markings make flexible word order possible. All verbs have an auxiliary component. It's turning out to be pretty complex, but I really am trying to avoid throwing in everything but the kitchen sink.



Nevashi Links:
The Blog: http://nevashi.blogspot.com/
The Grammar: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddkbg7hm_7gj5w4b
Lexicon (a work in progress): http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pU2Lm6_vXnVwnOdEf3iYwTA

I need to update the intro to the grammar. It says I am packing and trying to get our house sold, but we actually moved last September. xd

EDIT: I will go ahead and post the grammar as it is now into this thread, but it is still in development, and the link above will always have the latest changes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:50 pm


A few expressions:

Xu! is a multipurpose interjection, meaning "Listen!", "Come on!", "Let's go!", "Get busy!", etc.

Sul! is also a multipurpose interjection, meaning "hey!", "Look here!"


The world in Nevashi is called both Ianea and Ya Ianen. The latter literally means, "The Waters". The Nevashi see the world as an endless expanse of water with a little bit of land in it, rather than as the land with water around it. (This is both the name of the fictional world they live in and what they say for "world" generally.)

Quit bothering me! (lit, Get out of my eyes!) Rogomishi det sululat laz! (Put-away+IMP you+acc. eyes-dat. my; broken down into morphemes: Ro+gom+ishi de+t sul+ul+at la+z) It might be possible to do this with the reflexive prefix also: orogomishi sululat laz!

O- is also the passive prefix, but it would have to be the reflexive when used with an imperative.

There's another "remove" verb, other than rogom, which is sigom. Sigom means to "un-put", which might actually be better. (Sigom and rogom are interchangeable in this saying.)


Ti osa posham ti'iz. Literally, "He (or she) licks (a) cat's fur." This means that he's the sort of control freak who has to do everything himself. This is the boss who gives out assignments and then does the work himself anyway (or re-does the work done by his subordinates, even if they did it right) to make sure it is done right.

Tweezle


Tweezle

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:37 am


7/15/09: I apologize if I messed up any of the tables beyond recognition. This is the latest revision, which still doesn't include a new section on complement clauses that I should write today. The original document (revised regularly) is available at the link in the first post of this thread. The major revisions here are of the phonology.

Introduction/Overview

This language is called Teliya Nevashi, ("Nevashi Language", or just "Nevashi"). It's gone through several names over the last 6 months or so, but I think I am going to stick with this one, now that the world it comes from (Ianea, previously the language name, now the whole world) has started crystallizing in my mind. It is spoken on Nevash, a tiny island nation off the east coast of a major continent that still remains officially nameless.

At heart, this is a personal artlang for entertainment purposes. I am imagining the land and people to go along with the language as the primary creation, rather than the other way around. My end goal is to have a language that is learnable and usable by Earthling humans (i.e., me) and generally pleasant to my ear. I will likely make up stories around it as I go. I just do that. It's mostly a priori. It is likely to have borrowings, outright stolen words, and inside jokes imported from Earthish natlangs. I just do that too.

It's generally VSO, although case markings make flexible word order possible. All verbs have an auxiliary component. It's turning out to be pretty complex, but I really am trying to avoid throwing in everything but the kitchen sink. It prefixes more than it suffixes, I think. So far.

I am writing and re-writing this introduction as I go.

Teliya Nevashi is still in the turbulent early stages of development. Expect changes, large and small, without warning, as I discover which things work and which things spend an awful lot of time hanging around the break room. Also, right now, this document is mostly my attempt to put my handwritten notes into some sort of sensible order, so some parts may need more polishing and explanation. The terminology may not be exactly right in some places. Corrections, literal glosses, and other details will hopefully appear in the next iteration of the grammar, after I get this rough draft out there.

Phonology and Roman Orthography
We'll see how this plays out in practice. Phonology is one of the things I am least interested in (which is to say it's horribly, mindnumbingly tedious), and I'd rather write it descriptively after the fact than try to formulate it ahead of time just so that I can break the rules in the first 5 minutes. I think I've got a plan here that is flexible enough that I can stick to it. Notation is primarily CXS (http://www.theiling.de/ipa/).

a /a/ ([a]. [@])
b /b/
c /tS/ (considering change to /C/, or as an alternative)
d /d/
dh /D/
e /e/ ([e], [E])
f /f/
g /g/
h /h/
i /i/ (, )
j /dZ/ (considering change to /j /, or as an alternative-- voiced palatal fricative, since gaia doesn't seem to like the backslash there.)
k /k/
l /l/
m /m/
n /n/
o /o/
p /p/
r /r/ ([r], [4])
rh /R/
s /s/
sh /S/
t /t/
th /T/
u /u/
v /v/
w /w/ or /B/
x /x/ ([x], [G])
y /j/
z /z/
zh /Z/
' /?/

UPDATE: 3/20/09-- rh /R/ has been deleted, and all words containing this sound have been changed to r -- It didn't appear in any minimal pairs anyway. UPDATE: 7/15/09- Reinstating rh and offering /B/ as an alternate to /w/. See 'c' and 'j' for notes on potential changes.

Syllables are (C)(C)V(C). I have a really long list of allowed initial consonant clusters which should basically be C+r, C+l, C+w and C+y. The first syllable usually carries the primary stress. Irregular stress is marked with an acute accent on the vowel. Double consonants are pronounced long/both pronounced.

UPDATE: 3/2/09 -- Also allowing other initial clusters, including sf and sv. More to be added as they find their way into use.

Please forgive me if the romanization is a tad inconsistent in the rest of this document. I am trying to get it fixed, but the truth is that it has changed a lot over time and I am still not particularly happy with it. This language needs a native writing system so that I don't have to feel so bad about how ugly it is in the Latin alphabet.



Verbs

General Sense of the Auxiliary Present, Future (Non-Past) Past
be m b
do, act t d
make, create, build f v
go, move k g
receive, have, feel, perceive (senses) p b
give, think s z
bodily functions, music, speech c
j


These don't necessarily translate very directly to English, and the "general sense of the auxiliary" as given above may just indicate what sort of content verb it is usually associated with. Varying the auxiliary can change the sense or meaning of the whole verb phrase.

For example:
pa sul lat.
1st-sing.-present-aux(perceive) see it-acc.
I look at it. (i.e. purposefully in order to see/perceive)

vs.

ca sul lat.
1st-s-pres.-aux (bodily function) see it-acc.
I see it. (i.e. light bounced off of it and landed on my eyes and has entered my awareness)


Person & number

Person/number Form (affixes)
e.g.
1st singular -a ma
1st plural inclusive e- -a ema
1st plural exclusive i- -a ima
2nd singular -e me
2nd plural i- -e ime
3rd singular -i mi
3rd plural e- -i emi
4th singular (3²*) -o mo
4th plural e- -o emo

*4th person is a 3rd person, 2nd party, e.g. "John (3rd) saw him (4th) and he (4th) said he (3rd) was lying." Any additional parties also take 4th person verbs/pronouns. ("... and he (4th) said the lawyer (4th) was calling for him (3rd).") ...This is subject to change, depending on how I feel about it after I've lived with it for a while.


Affixes (for the auxiliary, in no particular order)
inceptive lu- (luma, luima)
perfect vl(V)- (V inserted before a consonant = the next vowel. e.g. vlaba, vlidi, vleze; vlime for vl+ime)
(coercive) causative* -v ("olugav adad", "I made myself begin to run"; "jav lutel uvot", "I made him begin to speak".)
causative* -x ("Jax nash vot", "I fed it.")
potential fw(V)- (V inserted before a consonant = the next vowel. e.g. fwama, fweme; fwemo for fw+emo )
optative zhu- (zhuma, zhuema)
conditional ne(y)- (nema, neyema)
deontic (mild/guilt motivated or unwilling-but-obligated) sl(V)- (slama, slema; sleme, slime)
deontic (strong/duty or pleasure motivated) b(V)- (bama, bema)
mirative (surprise!) c(V)- (cama, cema; "ciji tel", "surprisingly, he spoke")
verity/"anti-mirative" (really, truly, as expected, "of course!"-- by context. The "I told you so" affix) rh(V)-
reflexive o- (always the first element when present) ("oca tel"; "I talk to myself")

Affixes (for content verb)
Imperative (s) -(i)shi , e.g., "telishi!", "speak!". The 'i' is dropped if the verb ends in a vowel.
Imperative (pl) i- -(i)shi, e.g. "itelishi!", "Speak, you guys!"
(second person aux. is usually omitted, but can be added for emphasis, e.g. "ce telishi!" )
** In informal, everyday speach, the last i may be dropped: nashish nashiyam dez. (eat+imperative food-acc. you+gen., "Eat your food") (Added 4/29/0 cool

Imperative+causative. -(i)xi, s.; i- -(i)xi, pl., e.g. "muzhuxi ya otomom", "start the car" (run+causative_imperative the car-acc.)
or "isivixi ya ombam", "Turn on the lamp, y'all." (pl-be active-causative_imperative the lamp-acc.)
Unlike the -shi imperative, the final i is never dropped. [Added 4/23/2009]


Passive o- (ji onash ya nashiya. (3rd-past-AUX passive-eat DEF food), "The food was eaten.")
Down/toward kyu- (gi kyuadad. He came running. He ran (to here.) )**
Up/Away ro- (gi roadad. He left running. He ran away.)**
Un-, reverse si(') (glottal stop before a vowel) (ano, "make, create, build, put together"; si'ano, "take apart, disassemble, unmake")


O- is always reflexive when it appears on an imperative.

Affixes can be "stacked", e.g. "zhuluka adad", "I want (or wish) to begin to run." Different combinations and/or differently ordered sequences will have different meanings or connotations, but I don't know what those are yet.

Affixes normally used on the first (auxiliary) part of the verb may move to the second (content) part of the verb under the following circumstances:

(a) in the case of either causative, when the meaning of the affix applies to the object (the actual doer of the action) rather than the subject (the coercer): "zhucav tel uvot", "I want to make him speak" vs. "cav zhutel uvot", "I make him want to speak."

(b) the affix load of the auxiliary becomes awkwardly heavy.

*The grammar for these is always the same. What applies to one applies to the other. The coercive causative implies that one party compelled the other to do something by physical force or force of authority, while the other causative simply says that someone made something happen or made it possible for something to happen: "Ci nash" ("it eats") > "Cav nash vot" ("I make it eat", or possibly "I forcefed it.") > "Cax nash vot." ("I feed him/her.") OR "Ji gorem" (It died.) > "Jev gorem vot" ("You killed it." implying murder or execution(?)) > "Jex gorem vot." ("You killed it." Judgement neutral. Maybe "it" was the chicken for dinner, for instance.)
** kyu- and ro- imply motion, either literal or metaphorical, and can be used to add motion to an otherwise motionless verb. "Ca roselis", "I go away singing."

Would it totally ruin the tone of this document if I called this section "Copulation"?

The copula is an with the 'be' aux. ("Ma an tikit.", "I am a squirrel.") An could be used across the board as an "empty" verb, but I haven't really explored that yet. The subject and the predicate part of a sentence containing an as the verb are both in nominative case and separated by go: Mi an Julie go tikit. "Julie is a squirrel."

dev = be located at a place (place in acc.) (k-aux.: ka dev Johnstownam. I am in Johnstown.)
vok = to be in a particular mood (p-: pa vok jeya. I am happy. -- compare to "pa jeya")
gan = connects a subject to an adjective as an connects a subject to a noun
p- an = to be experiencing a particular physical sensation, as in pa an gwisel, "I am cold."

Anta

Anta is a special (aux.) verb used in cases where there is no subject. It is used with weather, for example, and to indicate the existence or location of something. The part that follows anta is treated as part of the verb, even if it would otherwise normally be a noun.

"anta sibó.", "It is snowing", "It will snow".
"anta ti'i aláth", "There is a cat here."

The past tense is "anda". Affixes apply as usual, allowing for such classics as "Vlanda kyuti'i", "There had been a cat coming this way." (Or, more literally perhaps, "There had been catting toward (us).")

Negation, Yes, No and Yes/No Question Tagging

For all verbs except anta, seya is added before the verb. (Seya ma an tikit.,"I am not a squirrel.")
Yes/no questions can be tagged with seya, or the basic form of the auxiliary (i.e. stripped of affixes) of the main verb of the sentence, or with both:
Gi adad, seya?
PAST-3rd-aux run, no?

Gi adad, gi?
Gi adad, gi seya?

No is "seya". To answer "yes", repeat the basic form of the auxiliary as above (or the whole verb): "gi" or "gi adad" to answer the example questions.

The negated form of "anta" and "anda" are "seanta" and "seanda". The question tagging is done in the same way and is answered with anta/seanta (anda/seanda):
Anta nashiya aláth, seanta? (There is food here, no?)
Anta nashiya aláth, anta?
Anta nashiya aláth, anta seanta?

The Definite Article

The definite article is ya. There is no indefinite article. Ya has many uses, including sitting out in front of words that aren't even nouns, such as predicate adjectives. It is the odd. It is also used with inalienable possessions (mainly relatives and body parts) when it is clear to whom they belong. (Examples to follow soonish. I promise.)


Here and There, This and That (Demonstrative stuff)
Demonstrative adjectives come before the noun. The pronouns and words for "here" and "there" are based on these, and there are four, as follows:


Ath -- This, these -- near both speaker and addressee -- aláth, "here (by us)" -- athis (pronoun)
Kas -- This, these -- near speaker but not addressee -- alkás, "here (by me)" -- kasis (pron.)
Dha -- That, those -- near neither speaker nor addressee -- aldhá, "there (away from us)" -- dhas (pron.)
Sa -- That, those -- near addressee but not speaker -- alsá, "there (by you)" -- sas (pron.)

The pronouns can optionally take the sex-specifying suffixes when referring to people, animals, spirits, and/or other things perceived to have a natural gender. (athise, athis+e, "that male one")

When used to refer to something previously mentioned and/or not physically present, use ath/athis for "this" and dha/dhas for "that".


Nouns, Pronouns, and Adjectives

Number
Nouns and pronouns have dual and plural forms, marked with suffixes. Dual counts as singular for purposes of conjugating verbs. (Believe me, I agonized over whether dual was singular or plural for verbs for minutes and minutes. This feature is subject to change if I feel differently about it after lunch.)

Dual: vowel final, -l. teliya> teliyal, "2 languages"
consonant final, -(V)l where (V) is the vowel of the preceding syllable. tikit > tikitil, "a couple of squirrels"

Plural: vowel final, -n. teliya> teliyan, "(more than 2) languages"
consonant final, -(V)n where (V) is the vowel of the preceding syllable. tikit>tikitin, "squirrels (>2)"


Personal pronouns
Person singular dual plural
1st la lal ("you and me") lan (inclusive)/ilan(exclusive)
2nd de del den
3rd vo vol von
4th xo xol xon


The cases for noun and pronouns, as of this morning, are:
Nominative
Accusative
Genitive
Dative (prepositional, locative, etc., by usage.) -- Just calling this "dative" for convenience, since that's one of the things it does and might be seen as its primary function.



These are marked with suffixes that are added after the number marking, as follows:

Markings on Pronouns:
Nominative (null)
Accusative -t, -et (following consonant)
Genitive -z, -ez
Dative -sh, -esh

Declension demonstrated on 1st person pronoun, la:

Case Singular Dual Plural
Nominative la lal lan / ilan
Accusative lat lalet lanet / ilanet
Genitive laz lalez lanez / ilanez
Dative lash lalesh lanesh / ilanesh


Other pronouns follow the same pattern. It might be noted that subject pronouns are usually dropped, as person and number are marked on the verb.


Markings on Nouns:
Nominative (null)
Accusative -m, -am (following consonant)
Genitive -z, -az (following consonant)
Dative -t, -at (following consonant)

Sample declension paradigms for tikit, "squirrel" and teliya, "language":


Case Singular Dual Plural
Nominative tikit tikitil tikitin
Accusative tikitam tikitilam tikitinam
Genitive tikitaz tikitilaz tikitinaz
Dative tikitat tikitilat tikitinat



Case Singular Dual Plural
Nominative teliya teliyal teliyan
Accusative teliyam teliyalam teliyanam
Genitive teliyaz teliyalaz teliyanaz
Dative teliyat teliyalat teliyanat

The genitive is used regularly on pronouns, but often is replaced on nouns with the adjectival suffix, -i:
Nashiya Jonaz ("Jon's food") and Nashiya Joni ("Jon food" or "Jonnish food") are equivalent, and the latter may be more common. (We'll see how it pans out as I write in and translate into the language.) The genitive form is probably more formal. Regardless of which form is used, they follow the possessed noun.


Gender and sex
(I suspect this heading is going to get me a bunch of hits from folks who will be disappointed to see that this is a conlang grammar.)

There is no grammatical gender in Teliya Nevashi. There are, however, a set of derivational suffixes that relate the root to one or the other sex. These can be used on animate creatures (cats, dogs, lawyers) to indicate the sex of the creature(s) in question, or on inanimate objects to specific sex-related usage. For this, we're going to drag out that poor squirrel as an example of the first. (Yes, I am paying the squirrel overtime.)
Female: -a, -sha (diminutive connotation), -i
Male: -e, -we (diminutive connotation), -u

A female squirrel would be "tikita" or maybe "tikitsha". A male squirrel would be "tikite" or "tikitwe". (Tikiti is an adjective, but might also have an unknown usage as a noun. Tikitu* doesn't currently exist, but is conceivable as another squirrel-related noun, or perhaps as a personal name.)

These endings can also be used to derive nouns from non-nouns, by some very mysterious and irregular process that has nothing to do with their function as suffixes for specifying sex on neutral nouns.

Sex-specific pronouns
If it is desired or necessary to indicate sex on a pronoun, a- can be prefixed for females, or u- for males. For example, avo, ("she") and uvo ("he").

Diminutive and Augmentative
Diminutive suffixes can be used on nearly any noun, verb, adjective or adverb.
-et, -ot, -sha (f), -we (m)
Ex.: tel, "speak" + -et = telet, "whisper"

In the event that the addition of an

Augmentation by suffix:
-gyu, -uzh, -o, -ozh
Ex. tel, "speak" + -ozh = telozh, "speak too loudly for polite company"

Augmentation by reduplication:
Reduplication of the first syllable, or of an affix, intensifies the meaning of that word or affix:
ex: teltel (tel, "speak"), "talk too much"; teletet, (tel+et (dim) +et (dim)) = "whisper very softly", "barely audible whisper"

In certain cases, whole words may be reduplicated: cora-cora (Red-red, or "very red"). [I'll try to narrow down what cases those might be as I figure that out. Right now, colors are the only case I have imagined falling into this category. 4/26/08]



Adjectives

Most adjectives follow the noun they modify. There is no noun-adjective agreement.
Nouns and many verbs can be rendered into adjectives with the addition of either -i or -el. (Note that


Comparative and Superlative & More Stuff

comparative: kesh
superlative: kekesh

These are equivalent to "more" and "most" when referring to a quality (i.e. with adjectives or adverbs). Keshi and kekeshi are used for quantity (i.e. with nouns.) In either case, they follow the word they modify.

Redder grapes
Adyen cora kesh
Grapes red more(quality)

More red grapes
Adyen keshi cora
Grapes more(quantity) red


Relative Clauses
A relative clause is opened with kwe and ended with lia. Kwe could be seen as more-or-less equivalent to "that" at the beginning of an English relative clause, but lia is purely grammatical and has no equivalent. If there are a number of relative clauses all nesting together like sleeping hamsters, lia is save til the end and not repeated in the middle.

ex.: ca sul ya ti'im kwe ji nash ya tikitam kwe jo nash ya nashiyam laz lia.
1st-pres-aux see def cat-acc that 3rd-past-aux eat def squirrel-acc that 4th-past-aux eat the food-acc 1st-pron.-gen REL-closer
I see the cat that ate the squirrel that ate my food.

This construction can also be used as a sort of verbal parentheses to allow you to insert remarks or additional information into a sentence. (Example to be added, along the lines of "I gave my book (the one that Jack gave to me) to my sister."

Numbers (Cardinal, Ordinal... maybe counters...)
Ordinal numbers are formed from cardinal numbers in a nice, simple way: -ad is added to the ordinal number.

Bi an Teliya Nevashi go ya teliya emad ano'i.
AUX COP Teliya Nevashi pred. the language first created.
Teliya Nevashi

Cardinal numbers in their unaltered form precede the noun they are counting. When they follow the noun, they take the suffix -as. An example of this might be when the number counts a noun that is currently part of an "anta" verb. Since nothing (generally, so far) comes between the auxiliary and the main verb, and the noun following anta acts as a verb, its number has to follow it as an adverb.

Anda teliya emas.
There-was language one.
There was one language.

In most cases, "one language" would be "em teliya", but someone might choose to use "teliya emas" in cirumstances where it isn't grammatically necessary for purposes of rhyme, meter, or style.

Numbers from 1-...whatever
1 em
2 van
3 od
4 kud
5 nosh
6 nosh-em
7 nosh-van
8 nosh-od
9 nosh-kud
10 vannosh
11 vannosh-em
12 vannosh-van
13 vannosh-od
14 vannosh-kud
15 odnosh
16 odnosh-em
20 kudnosh
25 noshgyu
26 noshgyu-em
30 noshgyu-nosh
35 noshgyu-vannosh
40 noshgyu-odnosh
45 noshgyu-kudnosh
50 vannoshgyu
74 vannoshgyu-kudnosh-kud
75 odnoshgyu
100 evrat (** I should work out an etymology for this. Otherwise, I am going to reuse it in a mainland language that the Nevashi people (will have) borrowed it from.)


NEW THINGS TO BE ADDED/INTEGRATED INTO THE GRAMMAR
-el : new adjectival ending: TBD-- differences between -i and -el.
numbers above 100, 1000 (up to 10000)
Revise sections for An and To Be




Derivation from existing words

(This section is under heavy construction/alteration)

Nouns out of verbs

The content part of a verb can generally be used alone as a noun, meaning "the act of...". For instance, tel means "(the act of) speaking" or "speech". Sometimes these nouns take on additional meanings: fon as a verb means "to make a phone call to (someone)", while fon as a noun means "a phone call" itself, in addition to "the act of calling on the phone".

The following can be added to verb roots to yield nouns:
-iya , that which is (used for)... (teliya > tel, "speak" + iya > "language"; nashiya > nash, "eat" +iya > "food")
-m, -im, that which is... ; who is... (rhedhim > rhedh, "hate" + im > "enemy")
-vi , tool for... (fonvi, "telephone")
-i, -e, -a, -o, -u, -sh, -t (etc.) These endings don't have a particular meaning, and it may, in fact, be the removal of these endings that yields a verb, rather than adding these that creates a noun. (iane, "water"/ ian, "flow")
-fano -- a person who makes or creates (or contributes to) an action or thing: fios(to dwell) + fano = housebuilder; vekufano (doctor) = veku (health) + fano
-fis -- a building set aside or dedicated to an activity or item (thol+fis, "learn/teach" + place, school.)
-ar -- a room set aside for a particular activity (Merar, "sleep+room", bedroom)

Nouns out of Adjectives
-Vbwa, where V is the same as the closest preceding vowel. cora, "red" adj> corabwa "red" (n), "redness"


Adjectives out of nouns

-i , of, belonging to, relating to, bearing the characteristics of
-at


Adverbs
-as Turns most adjectives into adverbs; see use with cardinal numbers
-ai
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:31 pm


Eep... I will have to go back and replace that grammar above with the updated grammar. There have been a lot of additions and some minor changes. And one sound (/R/) got kicked out of the phonology, which caused some other changes.

It's come a long way, but it still has a long way to go.

Tholishi ya teliyam nevashi! (Learn Teliya Nevashi! ... Due to a quirk in the language, this also means Teach Teliya Nevashi! )

Tweezle


Tweezle

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:42 pm


Now I need to fix the formatting on that grammar above... but right now, I am going to post a link to possibly one of the most useful documents for Nevashi: The Vocabulary, Alphabetical by the English entry
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:41 pm


Oooo... Your numbering system is base FIVE! That's AWESOME. (Mine is base 12.)

How did you settle on base five?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:13 pm


Um wow, this is fantastic. You just singlehandedly restored my faith in the conlanging abilities of this guild. My only criticisms would be that the phonology is rather Englishy and not very fleshed out, but you acknowledge that, and is all good.

Coincidentally, my T'ant'api language also has as the copula. Sort of.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:54 pm


I am glad you guys like it. I was afraid the grammar would be a wall of weird text with missing tables that nobody would actually slog through.

Base five just seemed like an interesting variation that could happen naturally, if people were in the habit of counting things on one hand. smile

I know the phonology isn't all that great. No excuses, I'm just not that interested in phonology and phonetics. I think I've met my 3 main goals, though. I wanted something really heavy on fricatives. (Check!) I didn't want anything that it would be hard for a non-linguistically-inclined English speaker* to discern (no aspirated vs unaspirated stops, for instance). (Mostly check! ... [h] and [x] might be pushing it a little.) And it has to sound pretty when spoken or read aloud. (That's really subjective, but I'd give it a check.)

I've been working on creating more words using initial consonant clusters that make me happy and that don't occur in English (anymore), particularly 'hr' and 'hl' (or 'xr' and 'xl'). I am also really keen on things like 'sf' and 'sv' (which I now see are not in the list of allowed initial clusters, but should be). I've been finding more places to use glottal stops in the middle of words. I think these are the sort of details that will at least keep it from sounding too Englishy.

I'm still doing a lot of detail work. I've been translating graded sentences (from here: http://fiziwig.com/gsfa_1.txt ; then there will be another set to do from http://fiziwig.com/gsfa_2.txt ) which is helping me find holes and boosting my the vocabularly. I'm finding things like needing to find a way to use causative + imperative so that I can tell people to "Turn on the light" as well as mentioning that "the light is on"...)

*I had at least one friend interested in this project when I first started, so she's the 'lowest common denominator' I am aiming for. And I figured the verbs would be complicated enough to keep her busy for a while. I've had another person write me an email partially in Nevashi, which made me SQUEE. mrgreen

Tweezle


Tweezle

PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:58 am


A minor grammatical development:
Imperative+causative. -(i)xi, s.; i- -(i)xi, pl., e.g. "muzhuxi ya otomom", "start the car" (run+causative_imperative the car-acc.)or "isivixi ya ombam", "Turn on the lamp, y'all." (pl-be active-causative_imperative the lamp-acc.) Unlike the -shi imperative, the final i is never dropped. [Added 4/23/2009]
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:41 am


UPDATED: some tinkering with the phonology. What can I say? I missed /R/.

Tweezle


Tweezle

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:51 am


Oh, and there should be a nice, shiny, new section on different sorts of clauses not yet covered, probably later today or tomorrow.
UGH... I completely destroyed the formatting in the grammar document. I'll have to fix that some time when I am not trying to get dressed and start my day.
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