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 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:34 pm
Okay, I am getting a little tired of hearing, "Aang can't be with Katara, he has to let go of her and master the Avatar state."
I don't mean to bash Zutara, but that is not a very good excuse at all. And these are my reasons why I am saying what I'm saying.
The definition of love in Buddhism is: wanting others to be happy.
This love is unconditional and it requires a lot of courage and acceptance (including self-acceptance).
The "near enemy" of love, or a quality which appears similar, but is more an opposite is: conditional love (selfish love, see also the page on attachment).
The opposite is wanting others to be unhappy: anger, hatred.
A result which one needs to avoid is: attachment.
This definition means that 'love' in Buddhism refers to something quite different from the ordinary term of love which is usually about attachment, more or less successful relationships and sex; all of which are rarely without self-interest. Instead, in Buddhism it refers to de-tachment and the unselfish interest in others' welfare.
'Even offering three hundred bowls of food three times a day does not match the spiritual merit gained in one moment of love.'
Nagarjuna
"If there is love, there is hope that one may have real families, real brotherhood, real equanimity, real peace. If the love within your mind is lost and you see other beings as enemies, then no matter how much knowledge or education or material comfort you have, only suffering and confusion will ensue"
Source
Aang can still love Katara, and this whole shipping can still work with Anng being able to reach the Avatar State. The problem is, everyone thinks by 'letting go' mean 'stop loving her'
It's a pretty much a well known fact that the Air Nomads are based off of buddhist monks. I placed a link above.
I just wanted to make that clear.
And the last post is basicly explaining love without being selffish. I know, I had to make a double take, it is a little confusing at first.
((Both were posts for another form, but I thought it should make a good topic))
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:34 pm
Heh, this will be the first Avatart related form I posted up here... mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:32 pm
wow, this makes a lot of sense.
So, by aang "letting go" of katara, he should really just want her to be happy, no matter what. With himself or with Zuko, then he can master the avatar state.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:54 pm
Exactly! Thank you for understanding.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:08 pm
Rosabelle334 So, by Aang "letting go" of Katara, he should really just want her to be happy, no matter what. With himself or with Zuko, then he can master the avatar state. Yeah, there is something we should consider. What if he didn't just develop an attachment to only Katara? What about the rest of the gaang? Katara's is obvious, she is the love of the air nomads reborn in the form of new love. "Aang, I know you're upset! Monk Gyasto and the other air benders may be gone, but you still have a family! Sokka and I we're your family now!"Sokka wanted to tell Aang about the other monks and how they had been killed by the Fire Navy when they first arrived at the Southern Air Temple. The faster the wound is dealt, the faster it heals.SPOILER FOR THE FIREBENDING MASTERS. HIGHLIGHT TO READ.
Zuko has given Aang the strength to not be afraid of fire bending ever since he had burned Katara.
"Hurry it up or I am leaving without you."
"I can't! If I walk too fast my flame might go out!"
"Your flame will go out because you're too timid, give it some more juice."
Aang once said that he had a friend from the Fire Nation named Kuzon. I am familiar with anagrams, and if you drop the 'N' and re-organize the lettering you get the name; "Zuko." Maybe Zuko is Aang's old friend reborn. [Long shot, but hell it's a theory and I've kept this in mind since Book One.] Toph even said something similar to Zuko, and this is before he joined the gaang. "You had perfect stance and perfect form. But when it came down to it you couldn't get it done! If you won't earth bend that rock then you can at least give it the satisfaction of smooshing you instead!" Even Appa and Momo play a part in Aang's attachments. Appa is Aang's spiritual animal, how great of a personality change did he [Aang] go through when Appa went missing? Katara tried to convince Aang that everything would be alright, she said that "he needed a hug." But all he did was say; "Thank you for your concern, Katara." Bowed to her and walked away leaving Katara to her own device. Momo is the last possession [besides his original glider as that was destroyed in 301] Aang has from the Southern Air Temple. Momo is the last tie to his culture, like himself, the last remnant of the Air Nomads. Besides, Aang could very well still be in love with Katara by the end of the series. Even if she might not feel the same way, Aang will always feel that way. And if he entrusts her care up to Zuko [Sokka is going to do it by default], he knows that if he dies in the battle with Fire Lord Ozai, his friends will have a safe and secure future. "The sixth pool of energy is the Light Chakra, located in the center of the forehead: it deals with insight, and is blocked by illusion. The greatest illusion of this world is the illusion of seperation; things you think are seperate and different are actually one and the same." ~ Guru Patik [Pathik?]
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:40 pm
Artxet, you bring up some good point's but you must undersatnd a lot of that logic is from outside the Air Nomads set of thinking.
Let's start the class with the monk's greatest and only foe- Attachment. This means being attached to anything is bad. That includes family, friends, enemies, work, love, and object, or anything else you can think of. But not of this is 'tabbo' really.
Also, Anng is still a young kid and is young enough to be molded into an attached being like the rest of us. (Reason for the angst and fits of anguish)
Anng has a serious attachment to Appa, but then again it is his 'familar'. I imagen part of his soul is in there but I have NO PROOF of that so I'll shut the hell up about that.
Some of your point's don't really have anything to do with the topic in mind though... But interesting none the less.
The last one is hard to explain... other then, 'there is no spoon'. The essence of everything is nothing so following that logic, everything is connected and the same. Like a spider web. Ever watch Hukabee's? Good movie, rent it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:26 pm
Artxet, your idea about the names think (Kuzon and Zuko) doesn't really fit, cause most of the fire nation have names similar to those patterns. They use sharp letters like Zs and Ks all the time in their names. (Azula, Ursa, Zuko, Kuzon, Roku)
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:51 pm
Rosabelle334 Artxet, your idea about the names think (Kuzon and Zuko) doesn't really fit, cause most of the fire nation have names similar to those patterns. They use sharp letters like Zs and Ks all the time in their names. (Azula, Ursa, Zuko, Kuzon, Roku)
Earth: Bumi, Toph, Haru
Fire: Azula, Zuko, Ozai, Roku, Kuzon, Ura, Zhao
Water: Katara, Paku, Sokka, Uah,
Thats not all of them... but yeah.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:44 pm
Rosabelle334 Artxet, your idea about the names think (Kuzon and Zuko) doesn't really fit, cause most of the fire nation have names similar to those patterns. They use sharp letters like Zs and Ks all the time in their names. (Azula, Ursa, Zuko, Kuzon, Roku) But doesn't it seem just a bit odd that the only Fire Nation person [besides Roku and Iroh] have developed a brother-type friendship with Aang? Roku seems more like a guardian, if not that then at least a grandfather. Iroh could be considered just a teacher as Aang hasn't really known him for that long. "I would always visit my friend Kuzon, and he was from the Fire Nation, just like you. The two of us would have so much fun together. Do you think that we could have been friends back then?""Aang, did you make any new friends?""No, I don't think I did."[Zuko laying in bed, looks to the Fire Nation symbol and turns his back to it.]
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:07 pm
sweatdrop Straying off topic again, but this is really interesting. You could be on to something. Roku had a simular buch of friends as to Anng does.
Competitive Earth Teachers... ugh, I know there is more, but I am WAY too sleepy. 'night.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:50 am
eehh, idk, it still seems like a really far-fetched idea to me. But, maybe. Maybe they're related or something. I hope we learn more about him though. Its interesting.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:54 pm
What Zuko had with Mai at the episode with the beach, that was selfish love. You know, where people grow green with envy?
Anng has been guilty of that every so often.
The little knuckle head.
~ heart
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:26 pm
I would like to point out that, in fact, he did 'give Katara up' at the end of season two and was able to access the Avatar state. The problem now is not that he has emotional attachments, it's that seventh chakra point that Azula messed up when she nailed him with her last attack in that fight.
Since I haven't seen past the episodes involving the Eclipse, I don't know if any other reasons have been revealed for his inability to enter the Avatar state. But love, in any of its forms, does not seem to be the problem.
And, Doma? It's Aang. Not Anng. xd
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:04 am
Winged-Eclipse I would like to point out that, in fact, he did 'give Katara up' at the end of season two and was able to access the Avatar state. The problem now is not that he has emotional attachments, it's that seventh chakra point that Azula messed up when she nailed him with her last attack in that fight. Since I haven't seen past the episodes involving the Eclipse, I don't know if any other reasons have been revealed for his inability to enter the Avatar state. But love, in any of its forms, does not seem to be the problem. And, Doma? It's Aang. Not Anng. xd
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:13 pm
Except that the Avatar state has been sealed off now. He can't do it anymore because of Azula...
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