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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:49 am
After the Virginia Tech shootings this guy decides to bring a concealed gun onto the Campus in Utah because he does not want to be a victim of that tragedy. But morally that does not resort to how we reflect the way we allow ourselves to face the problem at hand. So what is your opinions on this? How would you protect yourself and is it necessary to carry a gun even though you feel that school campuses are exploited of security? News here
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:54 am
I'm forever searching for my rainbow. Should be in debate forum -moves-
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:58 pm
I believe all schools should install metal detectors, but i know that wont happen anytime soon because all schools r cheap
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:53 am
Yeah, I can't imagine how some schools are vulnerable to things like this especially the shooting in Chicago awhile back. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:21 pm
I think that the school board should do backround checks of the students medical history. In most cases such as the virginia tech and the Northen illinois shootings they have had issues with medication. The Northern Illinois was the case of a student getting taken off his anti depresents. The virginia tech well everyone knows that student was unstable mentally.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:24 pm
Agreed, that guy should have gotten the medical attention he needs before he went and killed the students in Virginia Tech execution style. Nonetheless they should have done it beforehand or it could get worse...
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:59 pm
~[Well technically we are safe no where. Why should a campus be any different?
This background check thing, well it won't prevent high school shootings. Remember Columbine? It was a public school and investigating the students records would be an invasion of privacy. However one could do that at universities and the like.
Also I wouldn't go as far to say that schools were cheep, they don't have the money. They use that money on other things that are important to the educational process. The school board has to decide wheater or not to spend that money on new equipment, new books, and supplies or a metal ditector that they will most likely not need or use. I'm also guessing in all the cases that a metal ditector would have been no aid what so ever.
I think the real problem is the news. The news so glorify the events that happened at columbine and at V-tech making it a desirable choice. The shooter in V-tech said he was going to be famous like the columbine shooters. They wouldn't even be famous if it wasn't for the mass media they recived. I do realize that it is something that needs to be reported but the news goes way to far with it's coverage. For example the V-tech shooter they realesed some of his video and parts of his letter, which was what he wanted. It just shows an example to metal disturbed kids that if they do this they will get what they want.]~
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:58 pm
ninja Even though alot of people want to prevent such an incident it is very difficult to find a balance betweenthe two extremes and schools tend to struggle with this, sort of like tug-of-war
on one hand the school could do nothing other than avoid admitting students with a medical history example, a student may have a long history of therapy appointments etc, etc...(and yes discrimination basedn on your medican history does happen) or the controls would be so invading, that the school would be breaking the rights of the people example, unwarrented searches and seizures, forced treatement etc, etc...
the key is to find a balance between these two extremes i know that some ideas are bouncing around out there whether or not they work out i dont know but I have heard some good stories the problem I think is that, between all schools there is no really shared system of security featueres that are absolutly required of all schools
@_@ I get a head ache just thinking about it ...... ..... Next ninja
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:08 pm
I agree with yusono. We aren't safe anywhere. The moment you step out of your house you could be killed. Heck, even being in your house. It amazes me how much people just trust others without realizing it. Just walking down the street you're putting your hands in hundreds of others' hands. Anyone driving a car could kill you at any second.
Anyways, I don't think privacy should be invaded like background checks on mental health, because it's a very personal thing. Last thing I would want is for my college to find out, without my permission, that I'm in therapy, have been known to be kinda homicidal at points and have been tentatively diagnosed by my psychiatrist as DID/MPD. Even if they could do background checks on mental health they couldn't find anything conclusively. So you've been in therapy, so you had/have a psychiatrist, so you were hospitalized for a bit. Inconclusive in this current day and age.
Lot's of people think we have more school shootings and such, but we don't really. It's just documented more. And we are able to kill more people in a short time.
The only improvement I can really see for schools would be for them to actually not be too scared to react to things. Administration tends to want to sit and wait until they have complete proof of something dangerous, which often means waiting until someone does something dangerous and hurts someone.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:13 am
I never felt safe in High School; we had two real lock-downs while I was there, and probably several more times when we should have had a lock-down. One was related to gangs (we had two rival gangs competing with who was going to sell pornography to students rofl ) and the other was when a large group came onto our oval (playing field; I didn't know what it was either when I came here) with chains, broken bottles, crowbars, etc. looking for our football team (they had gotten into a fight in town on the weekend).
Ahh, good times.
But then I guess I'm biased since our school councellors let students get away with harrassment and molestation, which kind of makes me feel slightly unsafe in their care. Call me crazy.
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:51 pm
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:52 pm
contrary to what the media would have you believe, public schools are extremely safe. i forget the exact figures, but it comes down to something like you are about 4 times more likely to be struck by lightening than you are to be shot in a public school. there's no real need for all the extra security we are putting in them. as a friend of mine once said, you can't stop insane people from doing insane things by insane measures - that's insane.
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:49 pm
I will tell you right now, our school has a metal detector, and they search our bags when we enter. Its become a game to see what we can sneak in. People bring stupid things just to see if they can get it in. Security in schools isn't serious because they don't expect it. You could probably get a rifle in some baggy pants and say you have metal on your shoes.
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