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Hating Yaoi = Being homophobic?
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r3veRse[Psych0]loGy`Pix!e

PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:31 pm


I'm really disappointed in the yaoi subculture. A lot of people
don't even know the difference between Yaoi, BL or even slashing
O-o
Some people instantly think yaoi is yaoi when two males kiss. I
think you guys know that's not true.
I'm sick and tired of being bashed my "Anti Yaoi Fans" saying
that all Yaoi fans are the same. That yaoi fangirls always put things out of context. That yaoi fangirls push their obsessions onto other people
trying to convert others into yaoi fans as well. And many other harsh
things.

The truth is, I agree with this to an extent. I've met, irl and online,
fangirls like this. Where they take their obsession way to literally.
And it's pretty scary. That's not to say that we are all like this, but
many are. The reason I am bringing this topic up is because I was
searching for layouts the other day and I stumbled
on a "Anti Yaoi Federation" website and what the person had written
just felt like she was talking to me. It made me really upset and I wanted
to clarify to that person that not all fangirls are like that.

I don't know about anyone else around here, but I know that I don't go
around trying to "convert" people into yaoi fans, or bash people
for not liking yaoi and then calling them 'gay haters' or homophobic.
I don't think that if you don't like yaoi that it means you are closed
minded. I DO believe that a lot of published yaois are out of context.

My point saying this? Yaoi is a genre intended for women to enjoy.
It is created by woman for woman [that's not to say guys can't like
it either]. It's something you might happen to like, or might happen
to not be interested in.

So, what do you have to say about this?
Have we, as an entire community, been going a bit crazy?
[frankly, I don't think so]
Should it matter what others are saying?
Has this happened to you?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:08 pm


randomly, i'll comment. Now this may sound like I'm taking yaoi way to seriously and trying to glorify it, but this is just my opinion based on research.

Alright, women's sexuality has been historically repressed. The ideal woman up until about a 100 years ago was a woman who's function was as an ornament for her man. Women were not supposed have have sexuality of any kind, sex was a chore a woman would preform with her husband for his benefit.

Then about fifty years ago came the sexual revolution.
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Women became more sexually liberated. However, in our patriarchal society men still are more sexually liberated. This is why men don't face the stigma of being sluts for being sexually active but rather are esteemed for being players, this is also why virginity is still somewhat valued for girls but is somewhat shameful for boys. It is because our society has roots in patriarchy going back centuries, so the norms are already set in place.

Men are free to be sexual, while female's sexuality are repressed.

In our modern post sexual revolution world, female sexuality is still being controlled to an extent. It is controlled by still existing in terms of being for the man's benefit. If you examine statistical data on pornography and non exsplicit media you will find:

In sexually semi-explicit men’s magazines, scholars have
also found a strong tendency to define women primarily by
their looks and bodies, along with the depiction of women as
sexually available (Krassas, Blauwkamp, & Wesselink,
2001). In sexually semi-explicit movies, examples of female
nudity outnumber males nudity in a ratio of 4:1 (Greenberg
et al., 1993). Finally, sexually explicit material in videos,
DVD’s, magazines, and on the internet primarily treats
women as sexual playthings and subordinates, whose
bodies and genitals are the center of attention (e.g., Brosius,
Weaver, & Staab, 1993; Cowan, Lee, Levy, & Snyder, 1988;
Ertel, 1990). Cowan et al. (198 cool , for example, reported that
69% of sexually objectifying genitalia full-screen exposures
were shots of women, and 31% were shots of men.

(Adolescents' Exposure to a Sexualized Media Environment and Their Notions of Women as Sex Objects. By: Peter, Jochen; Valkenburg, Patti. Sex Roles, Mar 2007, Vol. 56 Issue 5/6, p381-395).

What this means is that the traditional media reinforces norms where women's sexuality is defined in terms of existing to serve the man's desire. In mainstream pornography and other media woman are objectified, what this means is that they are presented as objects that exist to be used for male sexual gratification. So women's sexuality is thus controlled by only being shown in our society in terms of pleasing a man. If a woman is sexy that is a good thing, but if she is sexual then it is a bad thing. The difference between sexy and sexual is the difference between a woman dressing in a certain way that guys like and a woman being sexually active, even through auto eroticism, for her own gratification. While the former is accepted in our society the later is taboo.

So we come to yaoi. Yaoi is made for women by women because women find it stimulating. So in that since for women to enjoy yaoi is for women to be sexual. It is a reflection and expression of a woman's attraction to men, and thus a sign of female sexuality.

Our patriarchal society, and some men there in, still does not embrace women having sexuality equal to a man's sexuality. If it did then there wouldn't be one sided stigmas. For hundreds, if not thousands, of years in our society men have been in control of female sexuality, to repress and define as they saw fit, to mold into something that existed for men to own. Which is why some would be uncomfortable with yaoi, because it is a sign of women claiming their own sexualities, defining their own sexuality, and being gratified for their own sakes.

Yaoi is a sign of women's sexual liberation, it is a medium that lets women embrace our sexuality that have long been repressed by same put on us as a mean of control by our patriarchal society.

My vote
Hating yaoi = being heterogynophobic (made up word, basically fear of heterosexual female sexuality)

CameoAmalthea


r3veRse[Psych0]loGy`Pix!e

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:29 pm


You just made me so happy xDD
Aha!
-hugs-
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