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ErinsChaos

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:51 pm


I work at a D.V. and S.A. Shelter and am currently struggling with my own issues and decided that while I would like to think this thread won't get a lot of conversation it couldn't hurt to put it out there.


I will eventually post some statistics along with helpful pointers for keeping you and your loved ones safe in a D.V. or S.A. situation.



(D.V. = Domestic Violence S.A. = Sexual Assault)
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:57 pm


Okay.. So I'm going nuts... And I just need to get this out and Noch suggested I post it here rather than just in my blog so I could get other opinions on it... And I figured maybe if I shared my experience it would help others share their's.

Okay where to start. Well.. recently I came across an old friend from middle school on myspace. I should have known better than to contact her but I guess I was hoping... well who knows. At any rate I sent her a message and she responded. At first she seemed thrilled about hearing from me but even in that first message she made a comment that left me quite confused.

"How are you? Where you live? Please before i start talking to you again please tell me that you will not try to take my man again. call me after 9 pm sometime so we can talk."

I was confused to say the least. At first I thought maybe there had been some guy I had dated in highschool that I didn't know she had had a thing for. But I should have known better.. I should have known right off the bat...

You see This friend of mine (who I'm going to call Belle for the sake of discreetness) Well we were best friends in middle school. And she invited me to church one or two times with her. Their was a bus that picked us up. Belle neglected to mention that she was head over heels for the bus driver. Now Belle and I were about 13 at the time.. and the bus driver (who I will call John).. he was 27... At first I figured it was just a crush.. Wasn't until days later when she convinced me to go to his house with her that I would find out the truth..

The whole story is long and really not a fun story but the basics are that she was sleeping with him. She wrote it in her diary and her parents found out and he ended up going to jail for it. Though only 30 days since she refused to testify. But for months before he went to jail he raped and molested me repeatedly. I had tried to tell her the first time he tried something and she told me (in a tone like she could have cared less) that she thought I wanted it. And so I never said another word.. and eventually due to his incarceration it would stop...


But now.. 14 years later I find out that she believes even to this day that I was trying to 'steal' him from her... *sigh*

Well I called her that night. (this past friday while I was at work) At first the conversation was awkward.. and it just went down hill from there. I asked her what she meant, just to clarify. And sure enough she assumed that I was trying to steal him from her. And before I had a chance to really explain what happened way back then she dropped the bomb of all bombs on me.

She is still with him... She has a five yr. old son with him... He's in jail for a Sexual Assault he says he can't remember because he blacked out but she's still in love with him...

I freaked out and made up a work excuse and told her I'd call her back. As soon as I hung up the phone I was in tears.. and then the flashbacks started. After a half an hour of continuous flashbacks I said the hell with it.. clocked out and came running home to my family and alcohol..

After a shot or two I called her back knowing that I had to tell her what he did to me even if she didn't believe me. I wasn't going to hide it from her or deny it to myself. It took me over a decade to accept what he did to me I wasn't about to start hiding from it now. So I told her.. and though she never said she agreed with me she did apologize for not listening when I tried to tell her the first time. I was still in tears when I got off the phone with her... But I really thought I had done the right thing..

(The next post will be the conversations that have happened on myspace since then...)

ErinsChaos


ErinsChaos

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:17 pm


Before I get started posting this conversation.. Here is a song that I've always related to this... *tears*

All of the RED print will be "Belle" And the BLUE print will be my responses.

Erin,
Wow.... last night was interesting. I am sorry that I made you cry. I am just very skeptible on who I tell that John is my boyfriend it is not that I am ashamed of him it is that I do not want girls to try to take him from me . John and I are very much in love and we are talking about getting married in 5 yrs and also buying/building a house. I know that last night you said that you check every few yrs to see that he is still in prison... trust me he has long forgotten about you. We are in a new chapter of our lives. well i guess i will talk to you sometime.




Like I said last night.. I'm happy for you.. I hope that he really has changed and he isn't still the man who haunts me. Though you say that he has told you everything I highly doubt that though it is not for me to argue with you about. The John I knew raped and molested me for months Belle... He did not just "fondle" me on my couch. He raped me on his couch, his living room floor and his bed. In fact I was there one day when Deanna showed up and he hid me in his bedroom closet. And if he has truly forgotten me, then why is it you said he asked about me? I'm not trying to be a b***h.. I'm sure it is coming across that way but I feel like I'm being attacked. I know you may not believe this but I have worried about you for years... wondering how what happened back then has affected you. Though you don't see it as that he did rape you Belle.. In the eyes of the law and in my heart and soul I know that what he did was wrong... It's a shame though that you don't know that... and it cuts me more deeply than I can express to know that he probably doesn't believe that either.

I've always said and believed that God forgives all sins.. But you have to confess them first... And from what you've said he hasn't confessed them all.. and he probably believes what you have for all these years.. that I wanted it... It's every rapists famous line.

Maybe if he knew how what he did has affected me all my life it would make a difference but I don't know... I've often wanted to write to him and tell him but always decided against it. As you said last night.. It's the past right? too bad it haunts my nightmares and I'm still fighting it...

Thankfully I have very supportive friends and family out here who are keeping me from loosing my grip once again. I'm sorry that our conversation went so suddenly down a bad path. I'm sorry that I contacted you and have drudged all this crap up.. it truly wasn't my intent.. though I couldn't honestly tell you what I was hoping for when I contacted you... If you would prefer I will simply cut off the contact and leave you be.

But before I go... I do hope you believe me on at least the fact that I am happy for you.. and hope you get all you want out of life. Give your son a hug and take good care of him...

From someone who was once your best-friend.. God Bless..


Where do I start? okay here goes... This email may sound rude and for that I apologize but you know how protective I have always been towards John so please keep that in mind when you read this... first off John and I talk about EVERYTHING! And also if he supposedly "raped" you why would you keep going back to him for sex? I do not get that... John has NEVER asked about you.... ever. Get that clear? You know I am tired of explaining myself to people. John NEVER raped me I encouraged him to have sexual intercourse with me. I find that funny that he "hid" you in the closet when Dee came over because he never did that with me. What is confessed between God and John has nothing to do with anyone but him and God!!! Who are you to judge? Who is anyone to judge? I am only going to tell you this one time and I want it to be the end of the subject... DO NOT WRITE MY BOYFRIEND. IF YOU DO, I WILL GET YOU FOR DEFLIMATION OF CHARACTER. Is that clear? He is mine and only mine so LEAVE US TO BE HAPPY. Why do you not think that I have never tried to find you? It was solely for this reason. You know, all I have ever wanted out of life was to be happy with John and to raise a family and have supportive friends. Well it seems that John and I are doing great and so is OUR son.... but I only maybe have a handful of reliable and supportive friends. s**t man, if this is the way that friends are than who needs enemies? Please don't ever contact John and let us live our lives the way that we want. I am sorry that I have had to put it this way to you but I don't need anyone trying to interfer to destroy our love.

can you understand that? I mean it sure would be nice to have you as a pen-pal but I can not take the chance of you ruining John and I .
So I guess it is up to you now.

From someone that was once your best friend ~


You know I can't change your mind hun.. And to be honest I don't intend to.. I don't intend to do any harm to you or John.. why the ******** you think that in the first place is beyond me..

You see me as an enemy. Why?

If you guys discussed everything and all he ever did was grope me once on my couch? Then where do you get that I kept going back to him? And while you may have encouraged him to have sex with you (which by the way is none of my business). How it is that you can think it's okay or normal for a 27 year old guy to have sex with a 12/13 yr. old girl is beyond me. It took me over a decade to come to any kind of terms with what happened. I don't want your pity. But even if I had been "asking for it" what he did was still rape. Look it up in your law books honey.

And though I said I didn't intend to write john you are still bashing me over the head telling me I can't!?! Well this is where I turn into the b***h.. see cause I'm just as stubborn hun.. and I hate being told I can't do something. If I wanted to write him I would have by now.. I've known where he's been for years thanks to the sex offender registry.. so ya know if I ever change my mind it won't be that hard to find him. And if I do ever write him it won't be to hurt either one of you okay? God.. how can you be so self-centered? You can't even fathom what I've lived with thanks to him.. and yet you want to tell me that I can't do what I might have to to finally have closure with this whole ******** thing?

Grow up hun.. deal the fact that I don't want John.. and I never did.. I grew up and moved 800 miles away.. I've known where he has been for years.. If I really wanted him I'd have contacted him a long time ago.. Quit living in your little delusion okay? It really would be a good thing for you to open your eyes and realize that maybe not everything you've believed for the last 15 years has been true. I never meant to hurt.. I tried to tell you in the beginning.. and you are the one who turned their back on me... and yet here I am trying.. (or was at least) to be your friend...

As for the whole between him and God thing? You are damn right.. it is just between them.. that's what I said or did you only read what you wanted to? My only complaint was that you said he'd told you everything and I know he hasn't.. unless of course you were lying to me.. which wouldn't surprise me.. but whatever.

At any rate.. I think this is mostly a futile effort.. and unless you have anything else to say I think this will be the end of my attempts. I hope that you and your son live a long healthy life (with or without John). I will remember you in my prayers... Maybe someday.. who knows...
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:36 pm


I cant even read the rest this because my heart hurts so much for what happend... *hugs*

JoeEuphonium


Camwen

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:29 pm


It really strikes me how much she seems (just judging from what she wrote and her situation) still stuck in a 13 year old mentality. It's like she's never been able (or allowed?) to grow up or do anything that's not centered around her dependence on this guy.

Admitting to herself the truth would probably mean shattering her whole carefully built version of reality - and having to admit that she's been wrong all these years. I can only hope that her son doesn't grow up believing that the way his father treats women is the way it's supposed to be.

What a horrible mess this guy has made of other peoples lives. I am so so sorry about what you went through.

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To answer the poll question. I have not been assaulted myself but my mother was sexually abused as a child (by a relative). All her life this has affected her relationships with other people - even to the point of having difficulty accepting affection from her children. I can remember clearly the first time I hugged her and she didn't flinch. It was when I had almost finished college and she was greeting me at the airport.

Also, my sister has always had tragic relationships with men. One of them in addition to beating her, was a drug addict and because of him she is HIV positive. Her latest ex almost strangled her to death, and would have succeeded if it weren't for my other sister and her boyfriend arriving just in time. Whenever the phone rings I have this reflex of wondering (just for a split second) if this will be the call. This has lessoned a bit recently as she had been doing well on her own for a while.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:49 pm


Camwen
It really strikes me how much she seems (just judging from what she wrote and her situation) still stuck in a 13 year old mentality. It's like she's never been able (or allowed?) to grow up or do anything that's not centered around her dependence on this guy.

Admitting to herself the truth would probably mean shattering her whole carefully built version of reality - and having to admit that she's been wrong all these years. I can only hope that her son doesn't grow up believing that the way his father treats women is the way it's supposed to be.

What a horrible mess this guy has made of other peoples lives. I am so so sorry about what you went through.

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To answer the poll question. I have not been assaulted myself but my mother was sexually abused as a child (by a relative). All her life this has affected her relationships with other people - even to the point of having difficulty accepting affection from her children. I can remember clearly the first time I hugged her and she didn't flinch. It was when I had almost finished college and she was greeting me at the airport.

Also, my sister has always had tragic relationships with men. One of them in addition to beating her, was a drug addict and because of him she is HIV positive. Her latest ex almost strangled her to death, and would have succeeded if it weren't for my other sister and her boyfriend arriving just in time. Whenever the phone rings I have this reflex of wondering (just for a split second) if this will be the call. This has lessoned a bit recently as she had been doing well on her own for a while.

You guys are soo strong...*hugs Cam and Erin* I am not sure If i can handle reading more of this thread....I know bad things happen...it just hurts more when they are with someone you care about. I feel like I can't do anything...

JoeEuphonium


ErinsChaos

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:20 pm


And so the conversation continues... I quit.. She wants to live her little delusional world I can't change that. And maybe it's better if I don't. Hell if she realized now what that man has been doing to her all her life she'd probably kill herself.. Hell the man only tortured me for months and I've wanted to...

At any rate here is the latest note from her.. and since I am not responding it should be the last one.. Enjoy!

Erin,
Why would I think that you would do 'harm' to me and John is because invertently that is what you were trying to do all those yrs ago when you had sex with him. Why do i see you as an enemy it is simple. You ******** my man and that to me is not a friend but i mere enemy.... John and I had discussed everything but no one including you will ever understand what true love means to me and John. First off if you are going to keep throwing it in my face that I had sex with John and that it was not right then get my damn age right! Trust me if anyone knows about the laws it is me. The reason I am telling you not to write John is because I would just like the past to stay just there... in the past and that includes you. NO! It is not ok that if you ever write him that it would not to be to hurt us cause that is where you are wrong dear erin. Please I just ask that you have never talked to me again and just let us grow old together like we want. that is all that I ask... you are trying to be a 'friend'? well hell if this is the way 'friends' act then i dont need any. You never intended to hurt me? LMFAO.... sure. Why can't you just live your own life and leave us to OURS. I would not hold your breath about us ever being friends again cause damn erin it took this long and i was just fine so why would I need the distress that you have caused me now?
just remember the 'friendship' we once had......
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:51 am


ErinsChaos
And so the conversation continues... I quit.. She wants to live her little delusional world I can't change that. And maybe it's better if I don't. Hell if she realized now what that man has been doing to her all her life she'd probably kill herself.. Hell the man only tortured me for months and I've wanted to...

At any rate here is the latest note from her.. and since I am not responding it should be the last one.. Enjoy!

Erin,
Why would I think that you would do 'harm' to me and John is because invertently that is what you were trying to do all those yrs ago when you had sex with him. Why do i see you as an enemy it is simple. You ******** my man and that to me is not a friend but i mere enemy.... John and I had discussed everything but no one including you will ever understand what true love means to me and John. First off if you are going to keep throwing it in my face that I had sex with John and that it was not right then get my damn age right! Trust me if anyone knows about the laws it is me. The reason I am telling you not to write John is because I would just like the past to stay just there... in the past and that includes you. NO! It is not ok that if you ever write him that it would not to be to hurt us cause that is where you are wrong dear erin. Please I just ask that you have never talked to me again and just let us grow old together like we want. that is all that I ask... you are trying to be a 'friend'? well hell if this is the way 'friends' act then i dont need any. You never intended to hurt me? LMFAO.... sure. Why can't you just live your own life and leave us to OURS. I would not hold your breath about us ever being friends again cause damn erin it took this long and i was just fine so why would I need the distress that you have caused me now?
just remember the 'friendship' we once had......


I think you're doing the right thing in not continuing this with her. Even if she does eventually face the truth I just don't think she'll be able to hear it from you. She doesn't even seem able to admit he's responsible for having sex with someone else much less committing rape.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:15 am


That whole thing is just wrong. I can't believe she is still with him. *shudders*

I believe that man is pretty good at manipulating people. He's probably at the least an narcissist person that know how to use people. That's the only reason why I think she's so blind at what he does. It's the same thing with wives that their husbands beat. They have created their own universe in their head and after a while they don't think they are able to live on their own. That they need their abusive husbands.

I just hope their son won't grow up like his father. Also I truly hope that man has left his habbits of abusing children behind him because I doubt your friend would believe his son if he told her that his dad has molested him. I just can't understand why they let people like him walk free.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:55 am


Ya know.. Working at the Shelter I've seen tons of cases like that.. Where the guy has basically brain washed her into believing everything he says and thinking she can't live w/o him.. I guess I just never realized the extent of it..

Maybe I'm just too stubborn.. I can't understand it when people refuse to see Logic ya know? And I'm usually not a pushy person unless someone starts the argument with me. Maybe I should have just let her alone in the first place... Maybe I never should have told her. Though that wasn't entirely intentional. One usually isn't thinking to clearly right after an hour long episode of flashbacks and 3 shots of aftershock...

*sigh* At least I know she's got 2 years to think about all this. He is still locked up thankfully.. (for sexual assault on someone else... though he says he blacked out and can't remember it) But as sad as it is.. it probably is better for her if she never admits to herself whats happened..

I'm just torn now.. I'm going to be making phone calls to therapists next week.. But everytime I've gone to see one they suggest writing to him.. To try and get some kind of closure.. Idk.. I've never wanted to do it.. I've never seen the point.. It's not like I'm going to put a return address on envelope to him.. I have two lil girls of my own.. I'm not taking that risk.
I don't know if I'll even go to therapy as chances are Adam's insurance won't cover it.. but we'll see.. I'll keep you updated. And please.. If anyone else wants to share please do.. this thread was not just created for me and my venting lol.. *hugs to all *

ErinsChaos


kool ken

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:19 pm


I'm sorry for what happened to you, it is so sad.
I don't know if there is anything you can do for your former friend,
but you can heal yourself.

As for letters, you can write them and send them by fire.
He doesn't have to physically read them.

* HUGS *
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:36 am


I find that writing down my feelings is sometimes really help full. You could do as kool ken said, send them by fire. Just write the letter and then burn it down. It might help.

If that man has assaulted some one again and he has blacked out then he's really dangerous. Even though if he has made it up, still he seems to be so twisted on his mind that contacting him wouldn't do any good. He just doesn't see anything wrong in his actions. I would suggest you try to leave them be, because it's quite obvious he has manipulated your friend so well that she can't see the truth anymore.

Quite likely that man has poisoned her mind already from the beginning, when you were 12 or 13 and he kept doing it during his short prison time making her believe his sick ideas. He wouldn't be so successful if your friend wouldn't be so obsessive and she seems to have really low self esteem. According to your story she was already really scared of some one taking away his "loved one" in the early ages so it makes me wonder how was her family relationships. They should have put her into counseling when they revealed that incident, but of course if she was manipulated to believe there wasn't anything wrong it must have been impossible.

I'm sorry for my analysis's, it's my way of trying to understand monsters like him. I hope you'll get to therapy because it would be really good to go over these things with a therapist.

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ErinsChaos

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:49 pm


Love the mail by fire idea... though I have a hard time writing down what needs to be when I know it's never going to be read ya know? Like I never had a diary.. never saw the point..

Still considering the counseling bit... but will find out more info in the week to come as I'm unsure I can afford it...

Now that I've had some time to calm down all I want to do is cry for her...
You hit the nail right on the head though.. She and I both had really low self-esteem... And I'm sure her folks didnt realize the damage that had or would be done by that man.. They figured he got locked up, he's not around, problem solved right? Most people believe that... "It's over, it's in the past, get over it!"

*sigh* Well I'm heading in for another fun-filled weekend at work.. See you all on the flip side..
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:43 pm


Writing a letter really does help, but it's the writing it that is important, not if the guy really reads it (after all, even if you sent it, he might not). When I wrote my letter to the guy who abused me for four years, I tied it to four helium balloons (one for each year), and sent it off into the air. Writing it took a lot of strength, and many tears, but there was something magical in the release I got from seeing it float off into the air.

Sorry you're experiencing flashbacks, they tend to happen to me still (over 20 years later), usually when I hear someone else's experiences. One thing I've noticed, because I don't hide the fact that I was raped and abused, is that it leaves the way open for people to confide in me. I can't imagine how strong you need to be to work where you do, but it must be so comforting to the women you come across to know that someone is there who understands why they behave the way they do.

I think you are making the right decision to cut off contact with "Belle". Until she is able to think and see things for herself, anything you say might actually drive her deeper into her fantasy life. Hopefully something will happen in the next two years to help her get out. One thing I might suggest though, if you are up to it, is to send a short memo just saying that if ever things change for her, you would still be there for her. Judging from the previous exchanges, I wouldn't hope for a positive reply, but the people that are most important to me now, are the ones that would not be pushed away then (either by myself or the guy in question). If things do change for her, she may still remember if you left the door open.

Sending hugs and support,
Rose

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JoeEuphonium

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:53 pm


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