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 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:47 am
I was just wondering, based on your opinion, how do you relate common sense and logic with religion? For example, atheists believe they are being logical because the concept of god does not make sense. My brother and I both do not believe in god and one reason as to why is because we have science to prove things to us and math to back up science.
Yet, if you were to talk to a christian or muslim, they would say that god created the world and people and that it is the logical explanation to everything. Even my dad said that islam is based on logic while christianity is more based on faith, stories, and spirituality. I kinda wanted to say no its not, but also didn't want to annoy him. sweatdrop
Sorry if this doesn't make much sense. Its after midnight here and Im much tired. So, how do you relate the religion you follow with common sense and logic?
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:50 am
As far as both common sense and common knowledge goes, there are many things that do exists, that many people know to exist that cannot be explained by science. Science is born out of the human mind and studied over centuries, but it is imperfect. Just because something cannot be explained by science doesn't disprove its exsistance because science is flawed by human limitations.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:18 pm
As a Buddhist, I feel my entire religion is made up of common sense.
The Buddha said not to worry about the origin of the universe. It didn't matter. He also said not to worry about what happens after death, because it isn't relevant (Although, many Buddhists subscribe to LITERAL rebirth, while, I believe in rebirth into different states, because of Karma, or, you reap what you sow). The Buddha taught suffering, and the way to end it. I believe it's common sense, that, if you don't worry about the past, and don't live in the future, you will be much happier. I also believe it's common sense that, ridding yourself of ill-will, and negative thoughts, will eventually result in your own happiness. Also, common sense that, greediness, and over-indulgence results in suffering. This is how I connect logic and reason, with my religion. smile
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:31 am
As a Satanist, my whole religion is based on logic and common sense and the fact that we are human. No better, no worse. Go by carnal nature, but think about what you do and how it will effect you. Do anything you please as long as it does not harm anyone else.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:16 am
What really is common sense in the first place? I wonder that sometimes, as some notions of 'common sense' are not actually 'common' nor 'sensible' in various contexts. confused Religions historically though have been a source and teacher of what is often regarded as common sense, but this can also be true of all sorts of worldviews taught in any given culture, whether you regard them as religious o rnot.
As for logic, logic can be used to prove anything if you start with the right premises. Many don't seem to get that; logic doesn't get you to absolute truths, it helps you see the steps to a particular truth and how it is arrived at. All logic at some point relies on some basic fundamental assumptions that cannot in themselves be proven, which is why it will never give you any absolute truth.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:54 am
Oh wow, I love the replies I got. Thanks every one ^-^ . Anyways, I guess for me, it would have to be to live my life to the fullest and to believe in myself and push myself to my goals. That would include indulgence but at the same time, making sure that no one will get hurt.
As for logical explanations, I know science cant explain EVERYTHING because it is based on human limitations, but hell, it explains a great deal. sweatdrop All I know is that I am the only one who will push me to my goals and in the end, I have me to thank. Not god. I was the one who worked my a** off. He didn't do a thing for me.
On a side note, I think people created the concept of afterlife. People don't know what happens after death so death scares them. Therefore, people have created life after death to put them at ease and keep them sane. That's what I think at least. Anyone else?
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:09 am
The scribble on the third page of my bible (Not Christian) says;
When presented with a decision, attempt to resolve it by these means, in this order:
I: Logic
II: Feeling
III: A flip of the coin
IV: Guesswork
Also, the only religion that conforms to true scientific method is agnosticism.
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:59 am
[Beautiful Oblivion] I know science can't explain EVERYTHING because it is based on human limitations, but hell, it explains a great deal. Science is awesome. I only start getting grumpy when science becomes scientism... which is essentially saying that science is the ONLY measure of truth and reality. [Beautiful Oblivion] On a side note, I think people created the concept of afterlife. People don't know what happens after death so death scares them. Therefore, people have created life after death to put them at ease and keep them sane. That's what I think at least. Anyone else? It depends. Views on death and the afterlife vary tremendously by culture. Some cultures actually celebrate it and really give little regard to the death of anoter human being (at least in contrast with the elaborate mourning and rituals of some other cultures). They don't neccesarily see it as something to fear, but instead have concepts of the afterlife more because it's part of ancestor veneration or other religious practices. In short, fear isn't the only modivation for formulating ideas about afterlives.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:22 am
Common sense is varied by person to person. As is religion. So that persons religion is going to seem like a "no-duh" anyways.
I agree with you on the afterlife thing. And my theory that people can't handle suddenly just, not existing. They've spent they're whole life busting they're arse to be good, and want to say that they'll be rewarded, not end up in the same place as the person who just enjoyed life. And then we've spent our whole lives existing, and making a difference (small or large). Imagining just not being there is difficult for people to do. I hear a lot about the afterlife. But what about the before life? Any ideas on that?
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:51 pm
science and maths are not very logically either.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:59 pm
PoppyDadswell science and maths are not very logically either. You are wrong about that, Science and Math both have logic as their very basis.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:01 am
shukumei-dessy . But what about the before life? Any ideas on that? There are some view on existence before physical life. In the Kemetic Orthodoxy, the ba (true soul) is crafted by whatever God, Goddess, or combination thereof and then given to by Ptah, one of the Creator Gods who shapes it upon His potter's wheel. The ka (Seat of personality or heart-soul) is created by several Dieties who wish to play a major part in that person's life. Then once a child is still in the womb, the host body is imbued with the ba and ka. Now, a ba doesn't need to be created for every newborn as many ba's return after failing judgement to be reborn and are given new ka's.
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