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| The depleation of the Ozone Layer |
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| Overpopulation |
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| Racism/Sexism |
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| Corrupt Governments |
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 Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:17 pm
Welcome to Sustainability and Death
How do we drop the human population? Before we go into the real matter I would like to state that this thread does not promote killing, racism, sexism, or violence. All information that is stated factual is factual. I do not mean to cause any harm to anyone or myself. This is not a thread created for the soul purpose of creating a cult or to offend anyone. If you feel offended in any way I greatly apologize for offending you. Once again, I do not mean to cause any harm or distress. This thread was created for the soul purpose of creating civilized discussion on a topic that not many people know about. Thank you for listening.
Over the years scientists have been talking about the human population and how it is rising to dangerous heights.
According so some of these scientists death is the only way to bring the human population down, but who do we kill? Should we even kill?
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:28 pm
wahmbulance Rules wahmbulance
A few things I really shouldn't have to state. -If you do not like it here press "Alt" & "F4".
-Here's an obvious one: Gaia TOS
-Do not curse at all in here. If you're quoting a source that contains profanities its most likely not credible.
-Please, for everyones sake, be literate. You're mature now. Its alright to type correctly. 3nodding
-Know what you are talking about. If you don't understand something or are not familiar with this topic research it.
-No insults PERIOD! Everyone has their beliefs and opinions. Don't beat up on people just because they don't think the same as you.Break any of those and you've just bought your very own ticket out the front door. burning_eyes Blacklist burning_eyes
None. Lets keep it that way.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:31 pm
DISCLAIMER: I, Dr. Acinemod A. Irralius, am not responsible for any opinions voiced on this thread, except for my own. Those who have voiced their opinions are responsible for them and in voicing them they have the full understanding of all the consequences. Should someone arise with a complaint they are to take it to the writer of the opinion, not the owner of this thread. Everyone that has posted on this thread is held liable for whatever they say. Do not post if you do not want to be accountable for your words. I reserve the right to post any and all opinions that are posted on this thread and I will only remove an opinion if it is deleted or by request. Please notify Dr. Acinemod A. Irralius if you have deleted your opinion and/or have any further questions. cheese_whine Points of View cheese_whine At last we reach what others think. Over the years there have been many opinions on this subject. Scientists have come out and said that killing is an efficient way of solving the problem, but moral tends to get in the way. Who deserves to die? When do they deserve to die? Should there be an age limit for humans? What about just picking random people? The following are opinions on what to do.
Note: Opinions that are not quoted were found randomly on the internet. It is common knowledge that if you write for the public you accept the consequences and responsibility of your own actions.
I am not responsible for what these people say.
Everyone from the age of 61 years and up should be killed. They've lived long enough.
-Anonymous
People who are, for lack of a better term, black should be killed. It is a proven fact that black people are the biggest cause of crime and are the majority of victims of crime. Why not lower crime and save the human population at the same time?
-Anonymous
How about we stop people from having kids for ten years? No one would have to die except for unborn babies who will be aborted. You're not exactly killing people.
-Anonymous
Take out all of the disabled and overweight people. They are nothing but consumers and can do nothing for the world.
-Anonymous
I've been thinking about this for a long time. There are all these terrible diseases out there just to kill people and we're finding vaccines for them. Why don't we just stop finding vaccines and let the virus' kill like it was meant to do?
-Anonymous
We should take out all the nonreligious. They are sinners.
-Anonymous
Religion must go. If we didn't have religion than we wouldn't have corrupt people. Notice how the American government never had an atheist president and also notice that everyone knows the government is corrupt. Religion fueled the all of the crusades. It needs to go forever and there are tons of religious people. Save the world from corruption and overpopulation.
-Anonymousmarshjazz This is why I'm greatful that Hitler existed. Not going into detail on this one. Just accept it as another one of my strange beliefs.
Okay, my solution is *drum roll please* the death penalty. Kill everyone who has a lifetime sentence/death sentence. Kills 2 birds with one stone; stops over crowding of prisons and lowers the population.
Another solution that would come back to bite us in the but later probably, kill everyone with AIDS. Once again killing 2 birds with one stone; getting rid of an epidemic and cutting the population down to size, at least until humans make up for the difference.
Solution #3 follow Japan's (or some other Asian country, I'm pretty sure it was Japan) example, put a limit to the number of children per family - the rest are aborted, after 2 abortions the parents are forced to get fixed or give up their kids.
Solution #4 somehow find a way to make it to where religion never existed. We'd be a lot further in technological advancements and wouldn't have stupid debates that have obvious answers. People would be smarter. We'd probably have the technology to fix this problem, we could find the "second earth"
Solution #5 Stop keeping gram gram alive to see her great great grandchild born. Stop keeping old people on life support for them to live. If you can't breathe regular air like the rest of us, then it is your time to go. It's ridiculously to see a 98 year old man carrying an oxygen tank and walking so slowly that you can pass him while trying to mock him. It's pitiful. I'm not talking about an age limit, I'm talking about taking pity on the women who can't even wipe her own but.
I think that anyone of these would work (besides the obvious that #4 wont happen.)
Note: I don't support the killing of a targeted group. And also the positions you have stated are all weak.
Inexistent Note by Dr. Acinemod A. Irralius: The positions stated that are unquoted were from random people on the internet that wrote specifically for the public to see. katersaur Populations top off in all species, including humans. Graphs of human population have show a recent trend that they are going to top off soon, and this is accepted by many, many researchers and scientists. It's the 'rich people make money, poor people make kids' theory. A third world nation's women have, on average, more children than a more industrialized nation. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just stating a fact. The point is, people are 'fixing' the population issue on their own. We aren't having as many kids as we used to. In America alone, there is a noticable difference in size between the youngest generation and the baby boomers.
Population control as far as limiting children, in my opinion, is ridiculous and a robbery of rights. I do /not/ want any goverment or person in the world controling how many children I have in the future. I should be able to chose that. If someone can make the choice to kill their kid before their born, I should be able to make the choice to bring children into the world.
I don't believe in taking a human life in any circumstance. Nobody has that right. I don't think we should kill any group of people off purely because we feel crowded.
Also, marsh, getting rid of religon isn't going to make us 'smarter'. I know some pretty stupid atheists. I know some extremely intelligent and very religous people.
As far as killing old people goes, I don't agree. Like I said, I don't agree with killing anyone at all ever. Buuuttt... I think life support is a bit ridiculous. If you're on life support because your body is too sick and old to care for itself, so it starts shutting down... it's time to let go. Your body is letting go, plain and simple. Life support for short periods of time is fine, sure, but if you've got a machine doing absolutely EVERYTHING for you for an extended period of time... no. That's just silly.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:33 pm
This thread is officially open for discussion.
3nodding
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:21 pm
Wow! Does nobody know of this problem?
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:14 pm
This is why I'm greatful that Hitler existed. Not going into detail on this one. Just accept it as another one of my strange beliefs.
Okay, my solution is *drum roll please* the death penalty. Kill everyone who has a lifetime sentence/death sentence. Kills 2 birds with one stone; stops over crowding of prisons and lowers the population.
Another solution that would come back to bite us in the but later probably, kill everyone with AIDS. Once again killing 2 birds with one stone; getting rid of an epidemic and cutting the population down to size, at least until humans make up for the difference.
Solution #3 follow Japan's (or some other Asian country, I'm pretty sure it was Japan) example, put a limit to the number of children per family - the rest are aborted, after 2 abortions the parents are forced to get fixed or give up their kids.
Solution #4 somehow find a way to make it to where religion never existed. We'd be alot further in technological advancements and wouldn't have stupid debates that have obvious answers. People would be smarter. We'd probably have the technology to fix this problem, we could find the "second earth"
Solution #5 Stop keeping gram gram alive to see her great great grandchild born. Stop keeping old people on life support for them to live. If you can't breathe regular air like the rest of us, then it is your time to go. It's rediculious to see a 98 year old man carring an oxygen tank and walking so slowly that you can pass him while tring to mock him. It's pitiful. I'm not talking about an age limit, I'm talking about taking pity on the women who can't even wipe her own but.
I think that anyone of these would work (besides the obvious that #4 wont happen.)
Note: I don't support the killing of a targeted group. And also the positions you have stated are all weak.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:04 pm
marshjazz Solution #3 follow Japan's (or some other Asian country, I'm pretty sure it was Japan) example, put a limit to the number of children per family - the rest are aborted, after 2 abortions the parents are forced to get fixed or give up their kids.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:10 pm
marshjazz This is why I'm greatful that Hitler existed. Not going into detail on this one. Just accept it as another one of my strange beliefs. Okay, my solution is *drum roll please* the death penalty. Kill everyone who has a lifetime sentence/death sentence. Kills 2 birds with one stone; stops over crowding of prisons and lowers the population. Another solution that would come back to bite us in the but later probably, kill everyone with AIDS. Once again killing 2 birds with one stone; getting rid of an epidemic and cutting the population down to size, at least until humans make up for the difference. Solution #3 follow Japan's (or some other Asian country, I'm pretty sure it was Japan) example, put a limit to the number of children per family - the rest are aborted, after 2 abortions the parents are forced to get fixed or give up their kids. Solution #4 somehow find a way to make it to where religion never existed. We'd be alot further in technological advancements and wouldn't have stupid debates that have obvious answers. People would be smarter. We'd probably have the technology to fix this problem, we could find the "second earth" Solution #5 Stop keeping gram gram alive to see her great great grandchild born. Stop keeping old people on life support for them to live. If you can't breathe regular air like the rest of us, then it is your time to go. It's rediculious to see a 98 year old man carring an oxygen tank and walking so slowly that you can pass him while tring to mock him. It's pitiful. I'm not talking about an age limit, I'm talking about taking pity on the women who can't even wipe her own but. I think that anyone of these would work (besides the obvious that #4 wont happen.) Note: I don't support the killing of a targeted group. And also the positions you have stated are all weak.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:05 pm
@Aakiyana: Thanks for correcting me. I knew it was an Asian country and I thought Japan because of how small Japan is, so it would make since that they would have to put a limit, but I could be wrong after all I only clanced in it, in one of my books.
@Dr: Well, I'm a democrat and believe in personal freedom (I am pro-chioce after al.) I just think life is something that shouldn't go to waste, and when it is it should be given up for someone/thing that deserves it.
I knew they weren't yours, but most of them don't even give that good of a reason. They should be embelished a little. Like the virus one. Even virus's that we have cures for develop stronger strains so we have to make the cure stronger. Stoping treatement for some of these virus's would only result in death of everyone. Even the common cold can kill you.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:49 pm
Populations top off in all species, including humans. Graphs of human population have show a recent trend that they are going to top off soon, and this is accepted by many, many researchers and scientists. It's the 'rich people make money, poor people make kids' theory. A third world nation's women have, on average, more children than a more industrialized nation. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just stating a fact. The point is, people are 'fixing' the population issue on their own. We aren't having as many kids as we used to. In America alone, there is a noticable difference in size between the youngest generation and the baby boomers.
Population control as far as limiting children, in my opinion, is ridiculous and a robbery of rights. I do /not/ want any goverment or person in the world controling how many children I have in the future. I should be able to chose that. If someone can make the choice to kill their kid before their born, I should be able to make the choice to bring children into the world.
I don't believe in taking a human life in any circumstance. Nobody has that right. I don't think we should kill any group of people off purely because we feel crowded.
Also, marsh, getting rid of religon isn't going to make us 'smarter'. I know some pretty stupid atheists. I know some extremely intelligent and very religous people.
As far as killing old people goes, I don't agree. Like I said, I don't agree with killing anyone at all ever. Buuuttt... I think life support is a bit ridiculous. If you're on life support because your body is too sick and old to care for itself, so it starts shutting down... it's time to let go. Your body is letting go, plain and simple. Life support for short periods of time is fine, sure, but if you've got a machine doing absolutely EVERYTHING for you for an extended period of time... no. That's just silly.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:43 pm
I didn't say that getting religion would make us smarter, it has already done it's damage. I said making religion never have happened would make us be years ahead in technology. That is my theory. That religion has slowed science down in the past and it continues to do it now in this age.
When I suggested killing off old people, I meant those who have multipule system failure and would be on life support for the rest of their life. It isn't really life.
I'm not saying that a child limit isn't taking away rights, but if no one wants to take away existing life... that is pretty much all that could be done.
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