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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:04 pm
I dunno what's more disgusting: that people think like this, or that I'm not suprised in the least.
I asked the pro-lifers in my government class debate how they planned to punish the women. I also pointed out that countries where abortion is illegal have higher rates of abortion than countries where is is legal, and that 1/3 of women have an abortion at some point in their life. So I also asked how they planned to punish 1/6th of the entire population. They don't know. It's because antichoice people are not thinking logically, they are reacting emotionally. Or they're just blatantly misogynistic, which is why it doesn't suprise me that they want to punish the doctors and accuse them of tricking women. They really seem to be incapable of understanding that a woman is a human being who can make decisions for herself.
Which reminds me: Do you guys remember how they plan to enforce the ban on intact d&x abortions? I think they only mention punishing the doctors who perform them, not the women who seek them.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:02 am
Was discussing this in a thread in the ED.. the guy said the punishment should be rehab on the basis that the woman is severely hurt by abortion. Ohhh man. Lady Adriata Some Guy Lady Adriata Some Guy Second, how do you know that abortion isn't painful? This year I volunteered with my school on a two-day retreat to teach sophomores about abstinence. Our guest speaker was a woman who had an abortion thirty years ago, and now runs a retreat center for women who have had abortions. Hearing hers and countless other stories, I simply have to laugh at anyone who thinks that abortion is not painful. How can you be so ignorant? I've HAD an abortion. And I was relieved-- not in pain. The abortion was really painless in fact. Not damaging to me at all. Have YOU had an abortion? Because I laugh at someone who's never had an abortion and thinks ALL abortions must be painful if one person had a bad experience. How can you be so ignorant? Funny how you just know I was in total agony all through my abortion, and yet, I don't know that? As for the pain aspect, no, I have not had an abortion. Nor do I intend to if I can avoid it. But from all of the stories I have read and heard the pain is like that of any traumatic experience: repressed. The woman I mentioned before had blocked out all details, even how old she was, because her conscious couldn't deal with it. Well, I had it a few months ago and I remember it perfectly. I went to the hospital, they gave me a narcotic, I went into Pre-Op, they told me what was going to happen, they wheeled me into surgery, they gave me an anisthetic and then they did it. I woke up and was REALLY hungry so I had some McChicken sandwhiches with my boyfriend, thanked the staff for being so helpful, went home and hung out on Gaia the next day because I couldn't drive for 24 hours (result of General Anesthetic). I had some mild spotting but I've had periods that are 100 times more painful than my abortion was. I really, really, don't think I am oppressing anything because I can remember everything about that day and it doesn't even remotely upset me.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:19 pm
When I got to " This year I volunteered with my school on a two-day retreat to teach sophomores about abstinence.", I paused and went, "Yep." No suprise there.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:35 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy When I got to " This year I volunteered with my school on a two-day retreat to teach sophomores about abstinence.", I paused and went, "Yep." No suprise there. I had the same reaction.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:41 pm
Freedom Fire PhaedraMcSpiffy When I got to " This year I volunteered with my school on a two-day retreat to teach sophomores about abstinence.", I paused and went, "Yep." No suprise there. I had the same reaction. Same here. It would be the same if a person went like this during their explanation of why atheism is wrong "Well this year I went to get my information at Christian camp."
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:48 pm
murasame blade Freedom Fire PhaedraMcSpiffy When I got to " This year I volunteered with my school on a two-day retreat to teach sophomores about abstinence.", I paused and went, "Yep." No suprise there. I had the same reaction. Same here. It would be the same if a person went like this during their explanation of why atheism is wrong "Well this year I went to get my information at Christian camp." *giggles* "this one time, at Bible camp . . ."
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:55 pm
Freedom Fire murasame blade Freedom Fire PhaedraMcSpiffy When I got to " This year I volunteered with my school on a two-day retreat to teach sophomores about abstinence.", I paused and went, "Yep." No suprise there. I had the same reaction. Same here. It would be the same if a person went like this during their explanation of why atheism is wrong "Well this year I went to get my information at Christian camp." *giggles* "this one time, at Bible camp . . ." Haha.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:27 pm
Speaking of hilarity/pathetic-ness: No one in the ADT has answered this question so far. There have been other topics about it, but from what I saw, there weren't really any lifers in there, either. Almost all the responses were "See, that's another reason why you can't make it illegal." Nothing.
You know, I think that lifers don't really want to illegalize it, just restrict it and stigmatize until it might as well be a felony. Most of the lifers in the ADT just say that they think it's wrong anduld never happen and try to pull an appeal to emotion that guilt-trips any woman contemplating abortion. And that's as far as they get. They never really explain why, or how it should be stopped. They're just "pounding their fists on reality, hoping it will break."
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:24 am
I read a thread about that... I really can't see how they'd enforce it, or catch people. If you knew you were going to be facing jail, then you'd probably go to even greater lengths to hide it. Like, if you had an illegal abortion and then started bleeding, and you didn't go to the doctor in case they figured it out, even if the two things were totally unrelated.
I can't see how it would work. There'd be no way of finding out how many people were aborting, only estimates.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:42 am
Seeing the Kraken I read a thread about that... I really can't see how they'd enforce it, or catch people. If you knew you were going to be facing jail, then you'd probably go to even greater lengths to hide it. Like, if you had an illegal abortion and then started bleeding, and you didn't go to the doctor in case they figured it out, even if the two things were totally unrelated. I can't see how it would work. There'd be no way of finding out how many people were aborting, only estimates. And precisely why it's only going to cause far more women to die should it happen. Should that illegal abortion go wrong they'll likely be far too terrified of the consequences to tell anyone or see a doctor and they could likely die from that. I really fail to see how they're "Pro-Life" at all.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:29 pm
Lady Adriata Seeing the Kraken I read a thread about that... I really can't see how they'd enforce it, or catch people. If you knew you were going to be facing jail, then you'd probably go to even greater lengths to hide it. Like, if you had an illegal abortion and then started bleeding, and you didn't go to the doctor in case they figured it out, even if the two things were totally unrelated. I can't see how it would work. There'd be no way of finding out how many people were aborting, only estimates. And precisely why it's only going to cause far more women to die should it happen. Should that illegal abortion go wrong they'll likely be far too terrified of the consequences to tell anyone or see a doctor and they could likely die from that. I really fail to see how they're "Pro-Life" at all. They are not, anti-abortion or anti-choice would be a better fit, but they go with pro-life to probably hope to give them the "moral sounding side" of the debate. It's to bad moral's are worth s**t in the face of facts and logic.
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