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 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:43 pm
Inner Beast Vs. Human Nature It's time for us to leave behind the classics, the movies, the legends, and wonder. Vampires have, since the beginning, been another kind of demons, soulless, bloodthirsty, cruel creatures of the night.
It's not until recently that we're starting to look at things from the vampire's point of view, and while some (most) of them make them look like heartless beasts, others give us an alternative.
"It's a need, pulsing in my heart, making me wish things I'd never wished before, making me feel things I didn't feel before. It's a beast, living inside my soul, talking to my senses with it's sweet voice, pushing me to do things I don't want to do."
I firmly believe that vampires can overcome their instincts and live side by side with humans - taking special precautions, of course.
Some vampires buy blood at blood banks; others trust in humans and ask them kindly to give them some of their blood; others feed off animals, and not humans... alternatives are endless.
Discuss, my fellow Brothers and Sisters; are vampires demons, or can they keep their human nature? How would you survive if you were a vampire in the real world?
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:48 pm
I do believe that there are ways for vampires to live amongst humans and keep their human nature. It is really a choice of the vampire. If, while they were alive, they were more kind and peaceful, I don't believe that the transformation of them into a vampire would be able to completely override how they once were. Most vampires have all of their memories of when they were alive, right? So whatever they learned while alive will probably contribute to how they are as vampires.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:17 pm
In White Wolf's point of view, they actually have a Path Of Humanity and also handle the concept of The Beast or The Thrist, basically, if you surrender more and more to your dark instincts and The Beast, you go down in the Path Of humanity (10 Points, at Point 3 your character is unplayable, for it follows the instincts of killing, feeding and sleeping only, the average human is around 8 points of Humanity) it's a constant struggle, for every action you make, defines where are you in the Path Of Humanity (Shooting someone, executing Diablerie, etcetera) so the objective of the game, besides missions and all, is to fight The Beast and The Thirst. So basically, this manages the possibility of a Vampire redeeming himself (Or herself) and thus, reaching the Golconda.
And I read a long time ago (I can't remember where, my apologies) That Vampires feed off Blood from living beings because it is filled with adrenaline, and not sure if blood from banks would serve, is it still categorized as Blood of the Living? You know, being away from the system for a long time.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:25 pm
Alexander Covenant In White Wolf's point of view, they actually have a Path Of Humanity and also handle the concept of The Beast or The Thrist, basically, if you surrender more and more to your dark instincts and The Beast, you go down in the Path Of humanity (10 Points, at Point 3 your character is unplayable, for it follows the instincts of killing, feeding and sleeping only, the average human is around 8 points of Humanity) it's a constant struggle, for every action you make, defines where are you in the Path Of Humanity (Shooting someone, executing Diablerie, etcetera) so the objective of the game, besides missions and all, is to fight The Beast and The Thirst. So basically, this manages the possibility of a Vampire redeeming himself (Or herself) and thus, reaching the Golconda. And I read a long time ago (I can't remember where, my apologies) That Vampires feed off Blood from living beings because it is filled with adrenaline, and not sure if blood from banks would serve, is it still categorized as Blood of the Living? You know, being away from the system for a long time. This is the first time I read something like that, so I wouldn't know sweatdrop I guess it depends on how much time the blood has been out of the body :3
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:32 pm
In Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake books, the vampires have been legally "alive" for about 3 years. It's actually quite interesting in the way blood drinking is handled. I haven't seen any mention of using bloodbanks, but there are people who are willing to be fed off of. (both human and weres) There's even a church of eternal life where people who are of legal age of consent can go and be turned. No strings attached (as far as we can tell) Vampires even own businesses of all sorts. The one main character owns a strip club, comedy club and dance club. All in all it's an extremely interesting concept.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:02 pm
Actually... Some Vampires are known to be, as the term was coined, "Daywalkers".
In fact, I believe that most half-vampires would be able to walk in sunlight...
You'd probably be able to maintain most of your mortal strengths, such as the ability to walk in sunlight.
It's even possible that the weakness to garlic could be avoided, for the most part...
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:29 pm
Alexander Covenant In White Wolf's point of view, they actually have a Path Of Humanity and also handle the concept of The Beast or The Thrist, basically, if you surrender more and more to your dark instincts and The Beast, you go down in the Path Of humanity (10 Points, at Point 3 your character is unplayable, for it follows the instincts of killing, feeding and sleeping only, the average human is around 8 points of Humanity) it's a constant struggle, for every action you make, defines where are you in the Path Of Humanity (Shooting someone, executing Diablerie, etcetera) so the objective of the game, besides missions and all, is to fight The Beast and The Thirst. So basically, this manages the possibility of a Vampire redeeming himself (Or herself) and thus, reaching the Golconda. And I read a long time ago (I can't remember where, my apologies) That Vampires feed off Blood from living beings because it is filled with adrenaline, and not sure if blood from banks would serve, is it still categorized as Blood of the Living? You know, being away from the system for a long time.
I see what you mean. I just into the books of the Requiem and I am being educated on what a vampire would be like. I just purchased two books from White Wolf. Pretty interesting facts and the game play.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:46 pm
White Wolf also handles the Daywalker Theory.
Vampires are divided by Generations, Caine if the first Vampire (That's how White Wolf considers him, in spite Lilith being the one educating him on Disciplines), Ennoia, Irad and a third Vampire (My apologies, I forgot his name, Saulot, perhaps) are the Second Generation Vampires (The First City, called Ennoch was built in honor of Ennoia), those three, were the Sires of the original founders of the different clans (Ravnos, Malkav, Ventrue, Gangrel, etcetera) and those three care called "Anti Deluvians" for they were on earth before the Great Flood struck earth (Also known as Deukalion's Floods in Greek Folklore) the surviving Children of the Anti Deluvians kept on going with their traditions taught by every clan leader, thus, separating each other from other clans, making them unique, the Anti Deluvians are rumore to be on Torpor, and it's also rumored that when they wake up, their hunger will be so great, that they will only be satisfied with the blood of another Vampires, this is the "End of the World" according to Vampires, also known as Gehenna (Different from Golconda, Golconda is reaching complete Redemption), Caine is said to be also in torpor, the status of Irad, Ennoch and Saulot (?) is unknown.
Thing is, with every new generation, the blood bond with Caine grows thin, hence why a 5th generation Vampire is incredibly stronger than an 8th generation one, which also means that the curse is growing thiner as well, by generation 14th or 15th, the blood bond will be so weak, that Vampires will not longer have to hide under the shadows and will not share the same amount of hunger or thirst, but also, their power will be definetely weaker than Generations 13th, 12th, 11th and so on.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:22 pm
I think Vampires have a sort of Abstract view of what humanity was like. TRhey remember it, and remember how they acted when they were human. Their conscience, and their nature. They recall it. Some choose to lead their afterlife the way they did as living, and others choose to go by their vampire instinct.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:24 pm
Alexander Covenant White Wolf also handles the Daywalker Theory. Vampires are divided by Generations, Caine if the first Vampire (That's how White Wolf considers him, in spite Lilith being the one educating him on Disciplines), Ennoia, Irad and a third Vampire (My apologies, I forgot his name, Saulot, perhaps) are the Second Generation Vampires (The First City, called Ennoch was built in honor of Ennoia), those three, were the Sires of the original founders of the different clans (Ravnos, Malkav, Ventrue, Gangrel, etcetera) and those three care called "Anti Deluvians" for they were on earth before the Great Flood struck earth (Also known as Deukalion's Floods in Greek Folklore) the surviving Children of the Anti Deluvians kept on going with their traditions taught by every clan leader, thus, separating each other from other clans, making them unique, the Anti Deluvians are rumore to be on Torpor, and it's also rumored that when they wake up, their hunger will be so great, that they will only be satisfied with the blood of another Vampires, this is the "End of the World" according to Vampires, also known as Gehenna (Different from Golconda, Golconda is reaching complete Redemption), Caine is said to be also in torpor, the status of Irad, Ennoch and Saulot (?) is unknown. Thing is, with every new generation, the blood bond with Caine grows thin, hence why a 5th generation Vampire is incredibly stronger than an 8th generation one, which also means that the curse is growing thiner as well, by generation 14th or 15th, the blood bond will be so weak, that Vampires will not longer have to hide under the shadows and will not share the same amount of hunger or thirst, but also, their power will be definetely weaker than Generations 13th, 12th, 11th and so on. Sounds like someone was able to get their hands on a Book of Nod. Those later generations becoming so weak is what has sparked talk of Gehenna... (the vampire version of armageddon) My poor character in one campaign had the entire book of nod downloaded into her head in an instant.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:38 pm
Killiandra Alexander Covenant White Wolf also handles the Daywalker Theory. Vampires are divided by Generations, Caine if the first Vampire (That's how White Wolf considers him, in spite Lilith being the one educating him on Disciplines), Ennoia, Irad and a third Vampire (My apologies, I forgot his name, Saulot, perhaps) are the Second Generation Vampires (The First City, called Ennoch was built in honor of Ennoia), those three, were the Sires of the original founders of the different clans (Ravnos, Malkav, Ventrue, Gangrel, etcetera) and those three care called "Anti Deluvians" for they were on earth before the Great Flood struck earth (Also known as Deukalion's Floods in Greek Folklore) the surviving Children of the Anti Deluvians kept on going with their traditions taught by every clan leader, thus, separating each other from other clans, making them unique, the Anti Deluvians are rumore to be on Torpor, and it's also rumored that when they wake up, their hunger will be so great, that they will only be satisfied with the blood of another Vampires, this is the "End of the World" according to Vampires, also known as Gehenna (Different from Golconda, Golconda is reaching complete Redemption), Caine is said to be also in torpor, the status of Irad, Ennoch and Saulot (?) is unknown. Thing is, with every new generation, the blood bond with Caine grows thin, hence why a 5th generation Vampire is incredibly stronger than an 8th generation one, which also means that the curse is growing thiner as well, by generation 14th or 15th, the blood bond will be so weak, that Vampires will not longer have to hide under the shadows and will not share the same amount of hunger or thirst, but also, their power will be definetely weaker than Generations 13th, 12th, 11th and so on. Sounds like someone was able to get their hands on a Book of Nod. Those later generations becoming so weak is what has sparked talk of Gehenna... (the vampire version of armageddon) My poor character in one campaign had the entire book of nod downloaded into her head in an instant. Ah! An englighted one! Yes, the Book of Nod has become one of the most important sources of information if deciphered right smile
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:55 pm
Alexander Covenant Killiandra Alexander Covenant White Wolf also handles the Daywalker Theory. Vampires are divided by Generations, Caine if the first Vampire (That's how White Wolf considers him, in spite Lilith being the one educating him on Disciplines), Ennoia, Irad and a third Vampire (My apologies, I forgot his name, Saulot, perhaps) are the Second Generation Vampires (The First City, called Ennoch was built in honor of Ennoia), those three, were the Sires of the original founders of the different clans (Ravnos, Malkav, Ventrue, Gangrel, etcetera) and those three care called "Anti Deluvians" for they were on earth before the Great Flood struck earth (Also known as Deukalion's Floods in Greek Folklore) the surviving Children of the Anti Deluvians kept on going with their traditions taught by every clan leader, thus, separating each other from other clans, making them unique, the Anti Deluvians are rumore to be on Torpor, and it's also rumored that when they wake up, their hunger will be so great, that they will only be satisfied with the blood of another Vampires, this is the "End of the World" according to Vampires, also known as Gehenna (Different from Golconda, Golconda is reaching complete Redemption), Caine is said to be also in torpor, the status of Irad, Ennoch and Saulot (?) is unknown. Thing is, with every new generation, the blood bond with Caine grows thin, hence why a 5th generation Vampire is incredibly stronger than an 8th generation one, which also means that the curse is growing thiner as well, by generation 14th or 15th, the blood bond will be so weak, that Vampires will not longer have to hide under the shadows and will not share the same amount of hunger or thirst, but also, their power will be definetely weaker than Generations 13th, 12th, 11th and so on. Sounds like someone was able to get their hands on a Book of Nod. Those later generations becoming so weak is what has sparked talk of Gehenna... (the vampire version of armageddon) My poor character in one campaign had the entire book of nod downloaded into her head in an instant. Ah! An englighted one! Yes, the Book of Nod has become one of the most important sources of information if deciphered right smile Yes Indeed. I'm lucky enough to have actually found a copy. I haven't played VTM in a long while though. The people I normally play with change games quite often it seems, but I'm hoping my new group may want to play.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:34 pm
ЭЄ † ~Dark Side...Vampires in real world are much like nerds... Mistreated and Misunderstood. I myself would be a humble one... Poet or gentle heart, romantic by nature... Somewhat a Classical Vampire... But I don't really know how would I act in a moment of starvation... sweatdrop ...Of Poetry~ † ЭЄ
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:43 am
X459 ЭЄ † ~Dark Side...Vampires in real world are much like nerds... Mistreated and Misunderstood. I myself would be a humble one... Poet or gentle heart, romantic by nature... Somewhat a Classical Vampire... But I don't really know how would I act in a moment of starvation... sweatdrop ...Of Poetry~ † ЭЄ Or the fear beyond Frenzy itself... Rötschreck
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:51 pm
† ~Dark Side...Yes indeed Alex... Or the Fear of Frenzy... ...Of Poetry~ †
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