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Let's put it this way. Most men have very little to lose, and very little at stake if they passed their genes to the next generation. Infact, Patriarchy praises them as virile, as true men and adults. Scientific theories are Patriarchal and use "evolution" theory to "praise" this behavior.

All they do to contribute to pregnancy is have an orgasm. It makes it *that* easy for them to want to be a biological dad.

I would say that this aboveformentioned stuff applies to a whopping majority of men, whereas a tiny minority of them are conscientious and ethically childfree.

Now, a good preventative measure would be if the couple learned to trust each other first before deciding to get intimate. You would be too vulnerable to get intimate with someone you didn't know you could trust. But we all assume that this already happens, that trust and responsibility with sex happens.

But if we are so concerned about women tricking their partners to have babies before they are ready, think about this.

Patriarchy trains women, from the cradle, to want to be with and associate their identity with babies. Girls are given dolls to play with and are expected to be quietly playing. So adult women have this form of brainwashing to expect motherhood and wifehood as the default lifestyle.

There's not enough self esteem education, and education about school and job opportunities to typical women. Women need to be taught that being a cashier at a local retail establishment will make them 2x the income of popping out a baby and "forcing" the biological dad to shell up the money. It's not hard to figure out that a woman is better off working or going to school than having children. Ignorant women, and women in rural areas, and women in inner-city poor neighborhoods need to be aware of this.

It is FACT that when women have an education on sex, fertility, educational, and job opportunities, that they have less children, later. Education will do A LOT to improve a woman's life.

If there is more education, there is less motivation for a woman to "trick" her intimate partner into having an unplanned for baby.

Another thing is this: a lot of pregnancies are already unplanned. Unplanned by both partners. So why is the woman assumed that she is "tricking" the man into making a baby?

Abortion is a woman's issue. Women get pregnant. Women carry to term. Women give birth. Women abort. You can't have something of equal value for men. Comparing men and women in this instance, is ******** stupid, and doesn't help the pro-life side in any way.

This is, by no means, an easy issue. I have the same dilemma: I want to find a compromise, but I simply cannot find one. This really has no right answer, does it? *headdesk*

I have sort of weird views on this.

I don't think our child support system is fair, as-is.

But just because men are treated unfairly in regards to fatherhood, it doesn't make it right for women to be treated unfairly to even it out.

Personally, I feel this comes down a LOT to personal responsibility. I'd never, ever have a child without the father's blessing on it. And if I did, I personally have the kind of pride that I could never ask a father to pay for a child he doesn't want. I feel like it's my responsibility as a mature, adult woman to include my partner in my reproductive choices.

I know a lot of times people say, "YOUR PARTNER HAS NO SAY IN WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET AN ABORTION!" Well, my partner did have a say. He didn't want us to keep it because he felt we weren't ready yet-- he's my partner because I love him and respect him. How can I claim to love and respect someone but turn around and totally disregard his opinions and feelings on something that is equally as personal to both of us? That's not saying I let him make my decision-- but I let him be a part of the process and we BOTH made the decision.

I know other people aren't like that. I know not every woman sees it the same way and not every guy is a stand up guy.

The issue I see with current child support problems and possible solutions is that either way, it is the right of the woman to choose to have a child and not have an abortion, and it is the right of a living child to be provided for. Either way, that child needs to be provided for. The way I see it, maybe more fathers won't have to personally pay child support but the Government will have to pick up that slack-- so we'll end up paying more in taxes and everyone will then pay more.

It's sort of a no-win situation but outlawing abortion to make it unfair to both men AND women is not the answer, IMO.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold up!

I would be opposed to this because of the text I bolded. That's not the same as a parental notification/consent law, but it is waaaay too similar.

It's dangerous to force a woman to tell her partner about a pregnancy for the same reasons it's dangerous to force a minor to tell her parent(s)/guardians. She may be financially, socially, or emotionally dependent on this person. Forcing her to tell him may cause him to interfere with her decision, or even harm her somehow.

If she does not tell him about the pregnancy because he is too dangerous, then she cannot expect him to pay child support. If she expects child support he must be told. If she doesn't expect child support, no problem, she can do as she pleases.

The idea, here, is to give men reproductive choice... not put women in danger.

Agreed fully and completely.

I think the system should stay as is. I know it's unfair, but what's just as unfair is a woman who gets pregant with a baby she wants, and is very happy about it, but then her husband (who is the family breadwinner) leaves her because he doesn't want to be a daddy and she's left alone and pregnant with nothing. That happens a lot. Sure, women abuse the system, but it's not about her, it's about the kid who needs money to survive. I know he didn't choose for it to happen, but neither did the tax payers, and they're the ones who pay for it if he won't. I do think if a man doesn't pay up he shoud not be able to see his kids until he does.