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 Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:49 pm
Okay, my sister has complained about this reoccurring dream several times in the past year or two.
She is in a small town and somehow ends up with a group of christian kids in uniforms who are being persecuted and pursued by a mob of people trying to kill them. They are chased on a train and then the find a boat and she rows them out onto the river, this seems to be where the dream tends to end...so she never finds out how it ends. She told me that she gets the feeling that the children were eventually captured and killed.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:35 pm
Well, the main thing is that she cares for children. The downside is that she might feel as though she doesn't have the ability to properly care for children.
Two things that strike me as somewhat odd. One: she is running with Christian children away from a mob. Is she maybe having second thoughts about her own religion? Are there possibly things about her faith that she doesn't understand or is having trouble fully believing? This could cause feelings of uncertainty and could create issues within the dream world based upon such things.
Two: She rows away from a train on a boat, but the dream stops there. She seems to find a solution to the issue, but is having trouble continuing from there. She comes to a road block. Writer's block so-to-speak. She seems to know what she has to do, but doesn't completely know what steps to take to get to the solution. Water is supposed to be a signifier of spirituality, knowledge, peace, energy. In real life, water is seen as a form of energy, rejuvenation, cleansing. It seems that she may be looking for answers to her issues in these areas, but again, she's not sure how exactly to reach the solution.
One more thing...she has the feeling that the children are captured and killed...maybe that is symbolic of her own childhood? She's afraid that once she reaches this solution, she may lose her childhood all together? Or quite possibly just a portion of her may 'die', or just seem to disappear?
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:02 pm
I'm wondering if she is trying to protect some of her beliefs or is feeling a bit conflicted about where she is headed with her spiritual growth.
The train and boat are indicators she is where she needs to be, she is on the right path. But may need to build up some confidence with herself and her beliefs in order to keep them balanced and safe. Water is also a representation of ones emotional state. The rougher the water the stronger the emotioal turmoil.
Just my thoughts.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:16 am
You both raise some interesting points since my sister doesn't really like children on a whole, but goes all gushy over cute asian/hispanic/indian kids in particular. She also is not big in the religion department. In fact it confuses her. Christianity, as far as she is concerned is a murky pool filled with land mines of oblivious question marks of contridictions that no one can answer. 'The Will of God' is just like the 'because I said so' band aid. Neither of these time honored excuses really answer anything but adults use them anyway.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:42 pm
rofl I have to agree with her there!
Though, even if you are not very religious, she could still be feeling a bit uneasy about her own spirituality. I know I feel it.
It seems that everyone is so happy-go-lucky with their form of religion/spirituality, but I'm stuck in this hole with nothing but myself to rely on. Sometimes thats a really difficult thing to do...actually, its always really difficult to do. Its hard to look to yourself and ask forgiveness when you know you could have done better, or shouldn't have done something. That is why there is supposed to be some higher being. A protector. A parent. Someone that we go to to help reassure us that we are OK people.
Has she been looking into other forms of religion or spirituality? Or even just wondering about the Christianity thing more, because of the unanswered questions.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:37 am
The funny thing is she generally is squeamish about religion on a whole, and I can't even get her to pick up a bible let alone read anything from it. So you can see the problem I'm sure.
And yeah she is seriously considering alternate routes to christianity after being forced to participate as a child in sunday school and summer camps that shoved it down her throat.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:55 pm
I hope your sister does get the chance to explore other options and not be forced into something she is uncomfortable with.
I was raised as a Christian, and have some respect for some of the messages they try to teach, but I've come to recognize that there are other religions that deliver the same message just as effectively, if not better. I don't blame people for questioning their religion, by finding the answers they develop a stronger belief/faith and a better understanding of self, the world we live in and anything else with in and beyond that.
To me, Spirituality and Religion are 2 different things. Spirituality is our method of dealing with our current situations. It is how we relate to the people and world around us (as well as other dimentions). It is about our personal resources, our strengths, (hope, faith), coping methods and learning how to tap into those sources in times of pleasure and strife. It is recognizing our roll, and our best way to achieve that. The source of that strength is personal and may vary from one person to the next depending on their beliefs.
Religion, to me, is just one of the various tools available to us to help us learn more about ourselves, our spirituality and possibly tap into those resources which we sometimes feel we don't have access to. Doesn't matter if it involves some Higher Power, Deity, or Inner Gifts. It helps us to explore our beliefs and the workings of the world around us and how we interact with it.
That is just my opinion, I hope it didn't offend anyone.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:18 pm
I quite agree with your definitions, Thyna, I just have never been able to put it to words...generally to me, spirituality is a way of life...how you live it day to day. Religion, is the more strict sense of spirituality that involves worship/reverence of a higher being (or one's self in the case of Satanism). But even just saying that has its flaws, so, I like your definitions better. blaugh
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:15 am
Religion on a whole is a dicey topic in my family. My mother is a hypocritical Christian. For me, I don't think you can smioke, drink, commit adultry and the rest of it and then say "hey look, that was 5 min. ago, I'm a christian so its ok!" So we're not really sure which works but we can't accept something just because its what was spoon-fed to us...and that is really where the trouble is.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:18 pm
There has to be a sense of responsibility or remorse, and a heart felt attempt to not want to do those things anymore. Success isn't aways a guarentee, especially if there isn't apropriate support and resources available. But so long as someone is willing to try and do their best with what they have is what counts.
I don't view the Bible as a reliable source of information. More of a basic guide than something to be followed word-for-word. First off the original stories are centuries old, have been told and retold numberous times, and like any story is open to embelishments and alterations based on who the storyteller is and what sections of the stories they view as being most important. Then there is the possibilities of misinterpretation, as the stories get passed from one language to another. And sometimes even adapted to meet cultural differences.
At least that is my opinion, and I recognize not everyone will share that view.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:44 am
Amen Thyna. Success is dicey, and religion well we're still at odds there. Still, we're working things through, but I'm in agreement with you, since I've known that some people don't see things my way to the point that it's not even worth mentioning in certain company.
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:59 am
Oterys Religion on a whole is a dicey topic in my family. My mother is a hypocritical Christian. For me, I don't think you can smioke, drink, commit adultry and the rest of it and then say "hey look, that was 5 min. ago, I'm a christian so its ok!" So we're not really sure which works but we can't accept something just because its what was spoon-fed to us...and that is really where the trouble is. It's for reasons like that that I left my Church. I now pursue my own beliefs according to what is logical. I don't water-down and argue over how the Bible is interpreted. I just take it at face value... even the stuff I don't like. Organised religeon is a waste of time and almost never has the answers. Regardless of what your church tells you, you can still be considered a Christian as long as you belive in God and that Christ was God in the Flesh who sacrificed himself to save our souls. That's the bottom line of Christianity and the basis of my spirituality. For there on, I belive in what is logical... even in the feild of the Science of things. My beliefs are dcombined spirituality and science. Whaen God said, "Let there be light!" the Big Bang happened. God created Matter and Energy, as they don't and can't create themselves.......... oh my, a Paradox........ God is made of Energy, correct? If Matter and Energy do not and cannot create themselves... where did God come from?
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:15 pm
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