Well, we know they've probably changed some things about the old continuity for the new series. Spoilers follow.
Okay, so the Master is back. And obviously a Time Lord, and obviously regenerating. "Mister Saxon" is also an anagram of "Master No. Six". So my theory is that this new Master is officially considered the sixth Master, and they've retconned the part about him dying on his thirteenth life. Which is simple enough - the other versions of the Master could be changed into other regenerations instead of the weird possession or whatever. And he IS the sixth Master as far as canon versions of the character go.
Now, this could mean nothing for the Doctor's thirteenth life, except that maybe by retconning the Master's "death", they've retconned the limit of thirteen. Or they could have something in mind on how that limit no longer applies for whatever reason (maybe because he, and now the Master, are the last of the Time Lords). There are a lot of possibilities...
Gakkk so tempting when its all whited out... why did I look... why? WHY?? WHYY?????? ... oh well, never mind. Heheh, I can't wait till I see it all, then the forums will become less of a minefield. I mean, I know it was my fault I looked at that one... but... it's like a mine sitting obviously on the ground and being all shiny like, and you just have to touch it and...
*ahem* well, we know there are endless possibilities of how he can stay on after 13, I just hope that they will!!! will they, won't they... only time will tell...
(whew, no more sugar for me)
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:44 am
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Well, we know they've probably changed some things about the old continuity for the new series. Spoilers follow.
Okay, so the Master is back. And obviously a Time Lord, and obviously regenerating. "Mister Saxon" is also an anagram of "Master No. Six". So my theory is that this new Master is officially considered the sixth Master, and they've retconned the part about him dying on his thirteenth life. Which is simple enough - the other versions of the Master could be changed into other regenerations instead of the weird possession or whatever. And he IS the sixth Master as far as canon versions of the character go.
Now, this could mean nothing for the Doctor's thirteenth life, except that maybe by retconning the Master's "death", they've retconned the limit of thirteen. Or they could have something in mind on how that limit no longer applies for whatever reason (maybe because he, and now the Master, are the last of the Time Lords). There are a lot of possibilities...
Gakkk so tempting when its all whited out... why did I look... why? WHY?? WHYY?????? ... oh well, never mind. Heheh, I can't wait till I see it all, then the forums will become less of a minefield. I mean, I know it was my fault I looked at that one... but... it's like a mine sitting obviously on the ground and being all shiny like, and you just have to touch it and...
*ahem* well, we know there are endless possibilities of how he can stay on after 13, I just hope that they will!!! will they, won't they... only time will tell...
(whew, no more sugar for me)
Retconned? Nuh-uh. That's a fine old tradition, there... [spoilers] The Master's made it his life's work to defy the thirteen-regeneration limit, pretty much. In various unsavory ways that the Doctor isn't gonna want anything to do with for himself. But I'm guessing that Mr Saxon isn't a proper incarnation of the Master. You know. He hasn't actually regenerated. Oh, and isn't poor John Barrowman going to be in a bit of a fix if they never do make Jack un-immortal? I wonder, when he signed his contract, was there a clause that he's going to ahve to remain eternally youthful as long as they see fit? rofl
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:02 am
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Retconned? Nuh-uh. That's a fine old tradition, there... [spoilers] The Master's made it his life's work to defy the thirteen-regeneration limit, pretty much. In various unsavory ways that the Doctor isn't gonna want anything to do with for himself. But I'm guessing that Mr Saxon isn't a proper incarnation of the Master. You know. He hasn't actually regenerated. Oh, and isn't poor John Barrowman going to be in a bit of a fix if they never do make Jack un-immortal? I wonder, when he signed his contract, was there a clause that he's going to ahve to remain eternally youthful as long as they see fit? rofl
Um... I'm guessing from the white text that you actually haven't SEEN Utopia. (Because he kind of... er... regenerated.)
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:17 am
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Well there is also the plotline from the Macoy erea that was trying to say that the Doctor was the re incarnation of the first time lord (name escapes me) but that never got finished due to series cancelation. This being the case, all bets are off as to the doctors abilities, plus they havent once mentioned the 13 lives in the latest series. They could just do away with them all together.
I think the character was called "the other". the other, omega, and rassilon where like the founding fathers of time lord society
Indeed, The other was lost in the birthing matrix, The genetic pool from which timelords are grown. The plotline was supposed to have the master taunting the doctor about his origins. It was supposed to explain how even though the doctor is a fairly insignificant time lord and a rogue to boot, that he was so powerful and signficant to timlord society (becoming emporor at least twice for instance). Plus someone else here has also mentioned the timlords no longer exist to enforce the 13 rule, they did allow the master another set of regenerations. though it is interesting as the doctor has stated that he doesn't want immortality.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:22 pm
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Retconned? Nuh-uh. That's a fine old tradition, there... [spoilers] The Master's made it his life's work to defy the thirteen-regeneration limit, pretty much. In various unsavory ways that the Doctor isn't gonna want anything to do with for himself. But I'm guessing that Mr Saxon isn't a proper incarnation of the Master. You know. He hasn't actually regenerated. Oh, and isn't poor John Barrowman going to be in a bit of a fix if they never do make Jack un-immortal? I wonder, when he signed his contract, was there a clause that he's going to ahve to remain eternally youthful as long as they see fit? rofl
Um... I'm guessing from the white text that you actually haven't SEEN Utopia. (Because he kind of... er... regenerated.)
Ah. Well. (spoiler) I'm betting he got more. Actually, Time War, loads of chaos, who knows? They send him on a mission and he actually does get more regenerations... *definitely doesn't leave to comb Youtube for episodes*
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:13 pm
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Ah. Well. (spoiler) I'm betting he got more. Actually, Time War, loads of chaos, who knows? They send him on a mission and he actually does get more regenerations... *definitely doesn't leave to comb Youtube for episodes*
Oh, definitely not. Why would you? xd
But yes... you never know what the writers can come up with to allow more regenerations. And there ARE still three more Doctors left to go, so it'll probably be some time before they have to.
Ah. Well. (spoiler) I'm betting he got more. Actually, Time War, loads of chaos, who knows? They send him on a mission and he actually does get more regenerations... *definitely doesn't leave to comb Youtube for episodes*
Oh, definitely not. Why would you? xd
But yes... you never know what the writers can come up with to allow more regenerations. And there ARE still three more Doctors left to go, so it'll probably be some time before they have to.
Is it possible
the reason the Master was able to regenerate because of the doctor's hand? I also thought it might have just been used to confuse the TARDIS or to know when the Doctor is near.... I wasn't sure but it seemed to be important since the Master took it with him... [End Spoilers]
If the above is true then he may just have one life or have all of them back... just a thought though.
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:21 pm
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Is it possible
the reason the Master was able to regenerate because of the doctor's hand? I also thought it might have just been used to confuse the TARDIS or to know when the Doctor is near.... I wasn't sure but it seemed to be important since the Master took it with him... [End Spoilers]
If the above is true then he may just have one life or have all of them back... just a thought though.
I just thought of another spoilerrific theory: The device that the Doctor and the Master used to become human is Time Lord technology. What if the Master were somehow able to use that device to "reboot" as a Time Lord and start over? And maybe the doctor's hand was a critical element he needed to become a Time Lord again... a great, big sample of Time Lord tissue. I don't remember how all of it works (need to re-watch Human Nature sometime), but it's a possibility...
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:26 pm
The Master was already explained. The Time Lords gave him a new cycle of regenerations so he could fight in the Time War.
As for the Doctor, as he reaches the end of his thirteenth life, he'll find a mysterious box with a question mark on it. He'll bonk it with his head and eat the green mushroom inside. xd
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:55 pm
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The Master was already explained. The Time Lords gave him a new cycle of regenerations so he could fight in the Time War.
As for the Doctor, as he reaches the end of his thirteenth life, he'll find a mysterious box with a question mark on it. He'll bonk it with his head and eat the green mushroom inside. xd
lol Super Doctor bros. mrgreenrofl
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:46 pm
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The Master was already explained. The Time Lords gave him a new cycle of regenerations so he could fight in the Time War.
Yeah... er... that wasn't explained until AFTER all of our wonderful and yet brilliantly wrong theories were posted. sweatdrop
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:35 am
Hahah hey you know what I just discovered? If I set the compy to have shadows on the text... ... it ... well I can see everything that's in white!! xd sucks to be me...
Yeah. I was discussing that topic with a friend of mine not too long ago. We were both dreading that day when his 13 regenteration came. But if they decide to end what can we do? But I do hope they write up a way of keepinng it around. heart
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:16 am
I'm with the idea if they haven't retconned 13 lives, they may have rebooted the Doc's lives before the new series, so we only have Doc III :3
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Or I'm all for the watch resetting and rebooting his 13 lives, very fun idea that one actually x3
What if the Doctor did live out his 13 lives and died, but he died doing something to bring back Gallifrey. He could try to bring it back but in doing so sacrificed himself on his last life... but instead of the episode ending there the Time Lords.... (spoiler)resurrect/give him new lives, like they did for the Master, for saving the world.(end spoiler)
