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 Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:58 pm
Ok. Here's an idea about the war in Iraq, that might kinda blow you away. We'll start with some statistics.
By a recent poll:
34% of Americans think George W. Bush caused 9-11-2001.
27% of the Democratic Party beleives George W. Bush made the order of 9-11-2001 to happen.
Of course, some think this to be true, so I polled my school on two questions.
1. Did George Bush cause 9-11-2001? 85% said yes. I polled 25 students. The responded with comments like George Bush is an a**. And other crude and vulgar topics.
2. Should we pull out of Iraq? Yes or No.
95% said yes. Out of 20.
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Therefore, by public majority of the poll I took, George Bush, is possibly the worst president. Ever.
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Then, when I was at lunch, I asked. What is your plan on how to be in Iraq, if we stayed in Iraq.
Well... if we had to stay... here's what I would do.
I would move forces out of Baghdad.Why? Because Al Qaeda is all talk. Yes, they did plan 9-11-2001, and carried it out. But National Security is already #1 priority and will possibly stay that way. Iran is definetly the biggest threat. Second to Russia. Third to Al Qaeda.
Iran doesn't however deserve the elite U.S. Marines in their territory disabling their weapons. No, they are not yet deserving of that. But with Shiites occuping 40 percent of Iraq, and a good amount of Shiites in Iran. Iran will want Iraq. So... invasion into Iraq will happen, if we leave.
So... does that have anything to do with us? Yes... see that would give more oil to Iran. More then it needs. And that would make it eay for Russia, an economic ally with Iran, to fuel their economy. And if we pulled out and had to go back to Iran... for the reason of Nuclear powered weapons, then we would be making an economic problem for Russia, and Iran. And Iraq. Therefore, we would obviously, be under stress.
I read an Article of www.foxnews.com that indicated that there would be a good amount of Iranians planning to invade Iraq.
Therefore we should move to the Northern areas...
So... based on what you have read. What do you think is plausible to best win this war?
This may not be soooo christian of a topic... but it is our generation that will be apart of a draft in this war. And talking about it now can help later.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:25 pm
I'm in not sure on what you want to do...I think you want us to stay in Iraq right?.....well may I ask you one more thing then? how many dead bodies would you like with those freedom fries in Iraq?
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:45 pm
mibster I'm in not sure on what you want to do...I think you want us to stay in Iraq right?.....well may I ask you one more thing then? how many dead bodies would you like with those freedom fries in Iraq? As many as it takes to ensure the absolute freedom and protection of the people in the United States. Just remember 20,000 died on D-Day. 1 day... 3,000 have died in 6 years.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:10 pm
oh so the families of those that are in the army don't matter then mon? I'm sorry but my cousins in the war and if he dies in it I don't care what you say there is no need for us to stay there
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:47 pm
Luc_of_Chaos0911 Ok. Here's an idea about the war in Iraq, that might kinda blow you away. We'll start with some statistics. By a recent poll: 34% of Americans think George W. Bush caused 9-11-2001. 27% of the Democratic Party beleives George W. Bush made the order of 9-11-2001 to happen. This means nothing except that an investigation is needed, either to put the public's mind to rest or to idefinitively incriminate Bush. Quote: Of course, some think this to be true, so I polled my school on two questions. 1. Did George Bush cause 9-11-2001? 85% said yes. I polled 25 students. The responded with comments like George Bush is an a**. And other crude and vulgar topics. 2. Should we pull out of Iraq? Yes or No. 95% said yes. Out of 20. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Therefore, by public majority of the poll I took, George Bush, is possibly the worst president. Ever. Aside from that's an appeal to majority, your poll sample was not only far too small, but heavily biased. Nearly ALL teenagers will try to "rebel" against the government at some point or another, either in the form of anarchy, or some strange religion. pseudo-wicca is popular, I've found. Quote: Then, when I was at lunch, I asked. What is your plan on how to be in Iraq, if we stayed in Iraq. Well... if we had to stay... here's what I would do. I would move forces out of Baghdad. Why? Because Al Qaeda is all talk. Yes, they did plan 9-11-2001, and carried it out. But National Security is already #1 priority and will possibly stay that way. Iran is definetly the biggest threat. Second to Russia. Third to Al Qaeda. Baghdad is a huge strategic point to control, as it is the capital of the country. Iran and Russia are not necessarily threats, any more than Canada or France is. Quote: Iran doesn't however deserve the elite U.S. Marines in their territory disabling their weapons. No, they are not yet deserving of that. But with Shiites occuping 40 percent of Iraq, and a good amount of Shiites in Iran. Iran will want Iraq. So... invasion into Iraq will happen, if we leave. So... does that have anything to do with us? Yes... see that would give more oil to Iran. More then it needs. And that would make it eay for Russia, an economic ally with Iran, to fuel their economy. And if we pulled out and had to go back to Iran... for the reason of Nuclear powered weapons, then we would be making an economic problem for Russia, and Iran. And Iraq. Therefore, we would obviously, be under stress. I read an Article of www.foxnews.com that indicated that there would be a good amount of Iranians planning to invade Iraq. Therefore we should move to the Northern areas... So... based on what you have read. What do you think is plausible to best win this war? This may not be soooo christian of a topic... but it is our generation that will be apart of a draft in this war. And talking about it now can help later. I'm not even going to debate all this, except to say that the democrats will win the upcoming election, and they will pull out of Iraq, making all this a non-issue.
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:29 am
I gotta say that I don't see much point to this topic. Where did the original poll originate? I could have pulled some numbers out of the sky and called them a poll. You've got to be sure that your source is a reputable polling organization.
Second, your own poll I will discount on its face. You polled 25 high school students from one school. That's really not a very good pool of subjects. And if they aren't registered voters, they have no say in what happens anyway.
Before claiming that someone is the worst president EVER, maybe we should dwell back into history. Abraham Lincoln overextended his own power several times, to include suspending the writ of habeas corpus. One of the most important rights a person can have is that to know why he is being detained. The Emancipation Proclamation, when I come to think of it, was illegal as well. The only states it should have applied to were those still in the Union, as the Confederates had seceded. He freed the slaves that he didn't have the power to free. That's just a single example of one president. Let's not judge GW just yet because remember, hindsight is always 20/20. Look at popular opinion a few years ago, and most people were fine with what he was up to.
I am not a military strategist, so I won't address the course of action that we ought to be taking in Iraq. However, your bit about Iran "not deserving" to have their nuclear capabilities disabled... yes, they do. They signed a treaty of non-proliferation. If you make a promise to the entire world to never produce nuclear weapons... you are required to abide by it no matter what.
And as many of us are aware, Fox News is a biased source... as is CNN on the other extreme. It's difficult to say what groups in Iran are planning.
I am neither pro- nor anti-Bush, but I do believe that one should make the most informed decisions he can. A poll by an unknown agency and one of 25 high school students is the equivalent of spit in the wind. We may not like the decisions Bush makes, but until you are a registered voter, I don't think you can gripe about that which you cannot change. Many people have been killed in this war. That's not up for debate. But if we just leave, and Iraq is plunged into anarchy like Somalia, or is invaded by another nation... have their deaths not been in vain?
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:42 am
Icthus I gotta say that I don't see much point to this topic. Where did the original poll originate? I could have pulled some numbers out of the sky and called them a poll. You've got to be sure that your source is a reputable polling organization. Second, your own poll I will discount on its face. You polled 25 high school students from one school. That's really not a very good pool of subjects. And if they aren't registered voters, they have no say in what happens anyway. Before claiming that someone is the worst president EVER, maybe we should dwell back into history. Abraham Lincoln overextended his own power several times, to include suspending the writ of habeas corpus. One of the most important rights a person can have is that to know why he is being detained. The Emancipation Proclamation, when I come to think of it, was illegal as well. The only states it should have applied to were those still in the Union, as the Confederates had seceded. He freed the slaves that he didn't have the power to free. That's just a single example of one president. Let's not judge GW just yet because remember, hindsight is always 20/20. Look at popular opinion a few years ago, and most people were fine with what he was up to. I am not a military strategist, so I won't address the course of action that we ought to be taking in Iraq. However, your bit about Iran "not deserving" to have their nuclear capabilities disabled... yes, they do. They signed a treaty of non-proliferation. If you make a promise to the entire world to never produce nuclear weapons... you are required to abide by it no matter what. And as many of us are aware, Fox News is a biased source... as is CNN on the other extreme. It's difficult to say what groups in Iran are planning. I am neither pro- nor anti-Bush, but I do believe that one should make the most informed decisions he can. A poll by an unknown agency and one of 25 high school students is the equivalent of spit in the wind. We may not like the decisions Bush makes, but until you are a registered voter, I don't think you can gripe about that which you cannot change. Many people have been killed in this war. That's not up for debate. But if we just leave, and Iraq is plunged into anarchy like Somalia, or is invaded by another nation... have their deaths not been in vain? aye but the real question is how many deaths will it take to "win" I mean for mibs sake mon we can't have all of our souldiers die just because Iraq can't change it's diaper by it's self....
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 12:08 pm
(In the guild's regulations and guidelines, it is stated that there is to be no politics in this guild. But for now, I'll just move this to the debate forum, since it is a debate. Have a nice day. biggrin )
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:24 pm
Okay...
I agree that the polls don't mean much. Most polls don't.
However, the opinions of those that believe Bush caused/ordered 9/11 are valid, whether they are the opinions of the majority or not.
It is obvious that a lot of people want to pull out of Iraq, because they elected a democratic congress. And yes, it is true the democratic turn of events in this country will most likely force our troops out of Iraq, but the fact of the matter is that Bush, regardless of whatever screwed up motives he might have had, has gotton us into one hell of a pickle.
If we pull out without finishing the freaking job, we will only worsen our situation. On the other hand, if we stay, more and more people will die, and not just our own people either. One could argue that Iraqis will die no matter what we do, so we should just leave and save our own asses, but I think that one life given for another is more valuable than just not killing someone.
Then there is the viewpoint that the troops are inadequately trained and inadequately supplied. I have seen plenty of that on the CBS Evening News. Plus there is the fact that Bushman is torturing POWs, just because he thinks it's necessary to accomplish whatever it is he wants to accomplish.
I could go back and forth on this subject for pages and pages, but when it comes down to it, the Bush administration wants oil and power, and when Mr. Democratic President comes into office, we are going to have to form some sort of dangerous alliance to stabilize Iraq enough that we can get the heck out of there. (Or in other words, clean up Bushy's mess.) That is , if our new man doesn't turn into a douchebag, too.
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