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SugarBlue Sunshine

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:43 pm


Veganism is often poorly represented in the mass media, and often met with fear and even hatred by the average reader, viewer, or listener. Every now an then a truly controversial article comes out [such as the tragedy of the recent death of an infant through the ignorance of his parents, which was spun by the media and everyone involved into a validation for the argument against veganism, in my opinion] and all of us have to bear the brunt of facing a new fire in the arguments of the "opposing sides", those around us who follow a conventional diet/lifestyle and do not trust, like, or agree with veganism as it stands.

To start out:

What do you think of this article? It seems really ignorant to me, but I wanted your opinion:

Death by Veganism

My reaction: [roughly copied from a previous discussion between my family and I]

I mean, how could you think it's not possible to raise a healthy baby on a vegan diet [even with necessary vitamins, supplements, etc.]? That's what this article is saying - "vegan pregnancy was irresponsible". And also I don't agree with this part:

"Indigenous cuisines offer clues about what humans, naturally omnivorous, need to survive, reproduce and grow: traditional vegetarian diets, as in India, invariably include dairy and eggs for complete protein, essential fats and vitamins. There are no vegan societies for a simple reason: a vegan diet is not adequate in the long run."

While "indigenous cuisines" are generally considered healthier because they involve more whole foods and no modern processed foods, they're often lacking in a variety of nutrients and focus on one or two staple foods, often starches like rice or other plants like corn or millet. There is no vegan society because these diets focused on survival, and it fails to mention this or that vegan diets and vegan culture or "society" is possible now because of modern advances in technology and medicine, like the aforementioned vitamins and supplements, as well as the amount and diversity of food western cultures have access to.

I would agree to the fact that it's absolutely irresponsible, and everything this article states, to be vegan IF you don't have access to these things, because then you really won't have the proper nutrients; but this article claims that even responsible vegans are naturally lacking in necessary vitamins and nutrients because of their diet alone, which is just not true. Maybe it's true in some cases, but not in all. I was interested to learn in the common lacking nutrients in vegan diets because I hadn't heard about DHA before, but articles like this have been popping up everywhere since that baby died.

It frustrates me to no end to see any joe schmoe writer taking a stab at veganism and vegetarianism just because they don't agree with it and consistently justifying it by utilizing this one instance. I can't even believe those parents were vegan, because any intelligent person would have know better. Anyway, my anger-at-the-world level has apparently gone up in the past six months since I've become vegan. *sigh*

Beyond this, I think that it's important to have intelligent, rational discussions about events and news posting such as this, both for a learning opportunity for those young or new to veganism and for a chance to develop our level of understanding of this culturally drastic diet/lifestyle and broaden our minds to the opinions of other like-minded individuals.

For this reason, I ask that there please not be any one or two-sentence replies to this, but lengthy and well though discussion of any new media events revolving around veganism, whether positive, negative, or neutral. You can even talk about magazine articles from veg*n niche magazines like VegNews or Vegetarian times, or opinions you've read from recently published books.

So please, start the sharing!
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:53 am


I don't like it how the article was specially designed to be offensive, but I do agree with atleast one thing it says; veganism isn't the natural diet for humans.

Allthough we do seem like herbivores looking at our supposed ancestors and outer physiology, unfortunately our digestive track has become adjusted to meat eating at some point. We, for example, don't have the neccesary bacteria in our bowels to syntethizise B12, cannot make some amino acids, and varying from person to person and depending on race, we might have other inabilities to use the nutrition plants provide us. Iron, for example, doesn't come off plants as easily as it comes off animal protein because we lack the proper enzymes to efficiently process the plant varieties of iron-bearing proteins.

Vegan lifestyle has become healthy and possible within limits only recently as we learned how to use bacteria to produce vitamins. This is the true reason for the lack of vegan communities, mentioned in the text; for most of our history, there was no means to compensate the nutrilets a vegan diet lacked.

As for vegan pregnancy and children, I'm extremely cautious. Of course, I'm a lacto-ovo-vegetarian, not a vegan, mostly because of the points I stated above. I see enforcing your beliefs on your children dangerous, especially when the benefits and dangers of vegan diet have not yet been observed enough by people who do not have a strong opnion for or against it.
Plus infants are a special case when it comes to nutrition: they're yet to gain the complete digestional system, including digestive bacteria. A deficiency can also effect their whole life if it doesn't kill them, as their mental and physical functions are still developing and relying on the nutrition they get.
I wouldn't, ever, feed my child vegan diet. There is simply too little information, and no matter how unethical, unhealthy and destructive meat-consumation has been made for us today, it's what our body was designed for. sad

AngwyMallard


pilliwinks

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:44 pm


My biggest tiff with this article is the lack of citation. From where is she getting these "facts"? Without cited studies to support her claims, she's making a baseless argument - an opinionated editorial tirade.

And, although I'm vegan and think it's a wonderful thing, I'd argue that humans are omnivorous by nature. Sorry to say it, but looking at humans from a physical standpoint, they look fairly omnivorous*. Of course, omnivore doesn't mean carnivore as so many Americans seem to believe.

I'll go furthermore to say that no diet nowadays is natural, depending on one's definition. We have foods brought to us from all over by unnatural means of transportation. Our foods are processed in unnatural factories. People take drugs that were made in another unnatural factory (unless they grow the illegal kind at home whee ). In fact, the only kind of natural diet appears to be the indigenous kind, which also appears to be unhealthy.

People seem to confuse the term "natural" with that of "healthy," and that's a terrible misunderstanding. Thanks to our unnatural technological abilities, humans have the option to live healthily as vegans or omnivores, and anywhere in between. Although the modern omnivorous diet may be most similar to the "natural" human diet, it doesn't invariably mean it's the healthiest.

Child-rearing is also a complicated thing about which I know next to nothing because birth isn't one of my priorities. The only thing that stands out in my head is that Dr. Spock recommends vegetarianism for children (sounds like ovo vegetarian) after the age of two*. From the little reading I did, it sounds like being vegan and birthing a healthy baby is possible*.

I dislike how there's one incident with a vegan, and suddenly people use that to attack all vegans. I'm certain the abuse incurred within omnivorous households is astronomical in comparison to that of vegan households. Here's an article about a woman, who is presumably omnivorous since nothing is stated otherwise, that starved her baby*. OH! Omnivorous diets must not be healthy for babies. How the tables have turned.

What happened to both babies is horrible, but it doesn't say anything about omnivorism or veganism - it only says giving a baby only milk and water or only soy milk and apple juice is unhealthy. That's indeed some shocking news.

I'm of the stance that any diet can be unhealthy. Most diets nowadays are unbalanced, and that makes them unhealthy. People can be healthy as an omnivore or herbivore, but in either case they have to make a conscious effort to make the correct dietary choices. However, I wouldn't go as far as saying a vegan diet is more difficult than an omnivorous diet.

edit: Crazy, I was trying to find a picture on google, but instead I found a site discussing this very article. Here's the link, if you're interested.
http://www.metafilter.com/61367/veganimae
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:40 am


Sorry for the lack of resources here but I read an article in People Magazine that talked about two parents that started their baby off on a vegan diet and it died from malnutrition. After looking into it further, I found that people "forgot" to mention that they were practically starving the baby and it was pretty much skin and bones. I think that they sent a horrible message to the public about being vegan and they really shouldv'e specified more.

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Sporadic_Lyricz

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:10 pm



sadly, this is the case for any minority groups. a lot of people don't know any vegans and thus this is the only way they learn anything about them. the journalists includd the fact that the person is a minority merely to get more readers that are interested in learning about groups of people they have no experience with.

and there is nothing wrong with raising a baby vegan. i have heard of many families succesfully doing this and their children are not only healthy, but above average in this aspect. if you need proof, just watch this video off of youtube. the quality isn't very good, but it gets the point across.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhFaB92gglw
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:48 pm


tipsle
Sorry for the lack of resources here but I read an article in People Magazine that talked about two parents that started their baby off on a vegan diet and it died from malnutrition. After looking into it further, I found that people "forgot" to mention that they were practically starving the baby and it was pretty much skin and bones. I think that they sent a horrible message to the public about being vegan and they really shouldv'e specified more.

Catherine teh Vegan


R i o n l e s s

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:27 am


even though veganism isnt the natural diet for humans, it is the healthiest. it cuts all risks in like 2/3! Vegans about 2% risk for heart attack, compared to meateaters which would be about 30% or something crazy like that.

Also, i do not think that we would disagree with the slaughter of animals AS MUCH, if they were slaughtered humanely and reasonably. There is no reason to have to kill 100 cows, for ONE family. Alot of cows that are slaughtered, are wasted! The supply is higher than the demand, and that does not help the animals at all.
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