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 Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:30 pm
Atleast until I know for sure about what religion is truly right for me.
For those who heard little, or don't know about it Agnosticism is not another form, word, or meaning to Atheism. It's the belief that there is a god, but it's impossible for any religion dictated by man can know for certain what his will is for the world. In other words it's the belief that every religion could be wrong due to the fact that it's run and dictated more by men than it is by God. And thus it is impossible for them to know for certain, other than by faith, that their religion is correct. I have always beleived that all men find their religion through faith more than facts.
My reason behind this is mostly done through some of my debates on people contradictions with each other concerning the same religion and get's me thinking, "Are they right and I'm wrong. How can I know for sure what's truly right." I'm open to others opinions and I still have my set beleifs on what I feel the christian faith is for and against, but I don't know if it's THE religion or just simply the most popular one.
Anyhoo I want to know what ya'll feel about this kind of faith. I won't convert anyone because I'm considering this.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:36 pm
Not really tring to insult but I have always considered that "belief" to be kinda' "The middle road" that allows people to jump on either side of the line when the time comes.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:50 pm
I can understand how you can see it like that, but since I'm not sure any religion is as close as they beleive. Besides isn't christianity full of branches one can flip flop with. I know it all comes down to the same concept, but the constand changes and new ideas about christianity make it seem more like it's being ran by people rather than the god it honors.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:44 pm
Being "on the fence" is certainly better than being lukewarm. It is admirable that you would state your position. Do some research, keep an open mind, and maybe you'll find what we claim is truth.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:41 pm
"lukewarm..."
I hate that word... Nothing against you... just a personal thing...
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:22 pm
Well, I hope God will bring you to Christ, and I hope when he does, you can be sure in what you believe, and why.
If you have any specific questions you have on Christianity that you want to ask someone in private, you can PM me!
God bless!
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:59 am
Good. I don't think anyone should be a part of a religion that they are not comfortable with. That's why I'm best friends with some Athiests, Agnostics, Jews, etc. I've actually considered Agnosticism, but never actually wanted to be a part of it.
And if I just spelled Agnosticism correctly twice, then I'm having a good day.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:59 pm
You cannot straddle the fence. You either believe in Christ, follow Allah, follow the teachings of Buddism, or deny what is obviously infront of you.
If you think christianity is just a religon, and that you want to "switch", you were never a christian to begin with. Conversions merely show the false christians from the real. Such as a woman going from being christian to being jewish. She was never a christian to begin with.
Christianity isn't a "religion" it's a faith.. you can be religious in brushing your teeth, but that won't show what you believe.
I prayed for you at church today, and I will continue to pray that you find Christ and not religion. Sorry if that is straightfoward, I very much wanted to spout what I thought about your thread.
It is not a matter of being "comfortable" it is a matter of switching your master from the world to God.
Every "religion" has different sects, you always can interpret a lot from the bible differently. Just follow the bible.. God will not look at you and say "Oh.. so you're a Baptist/Catholic/Blah" He will look at you as "You are my child." For many sects of christianity, they do bicker too much. But, the bible clearly states what is true when it comes to Christ and accepting him. All other stuff is merely hogwash to consume yourself with, Jesus is the main part of christianity! No matter the sect!
@_@ Okay.. I'm done now.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:35 pm
ChibiSnowy07 You cannot straddle the fence. You either believe in Christ, follow Allah, follow the teachings of Buddism, or deny what is obviously infront of you. If you think christianity is just a religon, and that you want to "switch", you were never a christian to begin with. Conversions merely show the false christians from the real. Such as a woman going from being christian to being jewish. She was never a christian to begin with. Christianity isn't a "religion" it's a faith.. you can be religious in brushing your teeth, but that won't show what you believe. I prayed for you at church today, and I will continue to pray that you find Christ and not religion. Sorry if that is straightfoward, I very much wanted to spout what I thought about your thread. It is not a matter of being "comfortable" it is a matter of switching your master from the world to God. Every "religion" has different sects, you always can interpret a lot from the bible differently. Just follow the bible.. God will not look at you and say "Oh.. so you're a Baptist/Catholic/Blah" He will look at you as "You are my child." For many sects of christianity, they do bicker too much. But, the bible clearly states what is true when it comes to Christ and accepting him. All other stuff is merely hogwash to consume yourself with, Jesus is the main part of christianity! No matter the sect! @_@ Okay.. I'm done now. wow, that is powerful...and so true
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:18 am
Chibi, I will ask you not to think of me as an ignorant heaten. Not saying you have, but all religions are a faith to those who follow them. None can be proven true, and none can be proven false. It's what's in the persons heart, mind, and soul. You're talking like I haven't struggled with this idea. You act like I want to just turn my back on what I've been taught as the truth all my life, but as you say it's a faith, and I'm just wondering where I can put my faith in. It's obvious that the church is not united like it's supposed to be. You have different sects who have very diffrent outlooks. Church of Christ being against instruments, Baptist believing that batism isn't nessesary to reach heaven, just simply a show of faith. Catholics beleiving to sprinkle babies before age of understanding, and not even praticing submersion. I know it's people who made these sects, but it also shows the church isn't united like it should be. I simply don't know if I can put my faith into somthing like that. Now days people are begainning to say things like homosexuallity and abortion are not against the bible, and some people are excepting it. Your right, I never been a true christian. Hell I never stated I was ever a true christian. You don't know how much of what you said I totally agree with. Thank you for your prayer. It feels good to know that people can worry about strangers, but to tell me that Paul, Peter, and John weren't comfortable with serving christ, spiritually which is the kind I'm talking about, then your sadly mistaken. Shouldn't the church be united? If we are all seen as God's childern then why is so much emphisis being put of what sect we are in? How can we follow the bible when it's being seen in so many differant ways? They all can't be right. Someone must be wrong. Or is it possible all of them are wrong? How can we know this? You can say by faith, but what about us who can't find that comfort? Maybe it's safe to say that want to be a christian, but I don't see we could be right about going through with it. Didn't Jesus say himself Believing isn't enough. So how should we act? How can we act? Which outlook of the bible is correct? How do we know if any of these outlooks are correct? I always did feel christianity was the closest to being right, but how can I be sure? So much as changed since the death of Jesus.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:26 pm
You have been told a lie in regards to the inability to prove definitively Christianity. As I have studied religions and seen what people believe in I find that Christianity is really the only one that actually makes sense. I'm not saying you're ignorant or stupid at all! but rather misinformed. I was for a while and it's sad to see how big the lie has gotten. It has crept into the church and few have defended against it. One of the major things that caused such a deviation from the assurance of the validity of the Bible was the thought that it isn't wholly true. People doubt that it is truth and fail to teach it as such. The manuscripts of the Bible outnumber any other ancient literature. And it's not just quantity, it's quality. The copies of the Bible have been so accurate that, as is, it's basically the same since each book was written. If that wasn't enough, archaeological evidence has backed almost every story in the Bible and the same can not be said about other "holy" books. The book of mormon, archaeologically speaking, is a joke. The Koran fails to compare. The Jehovah's witness's Bible is known to be just an edited knock off of the real Bible. Some say the Bible contradicts itself. I have not been able to find a substantial contradiction that would change the overall message. There are so few scribal mistakes such as spelling and wrong names here and there. It should be expected over 4000 years of human history... it's a MIRACLE there aren't more!
If you have any questions or anything, please ask. I gotta go to bed, I work early tomorrow morning. Night folks!
EDIT: Sorry... Got carried away by my own pride.. felt like I wanted to spill my knowledge without reading your whole post. I do not doubt your intelligence. I see you have heard enough of our failure as a church, our history is not a pretty one. (btw: religion isn't bad. Bad religion is bad. James 1:27) I don't ask you to attend a specific church or tithe but just to take the Bible as the word of God. The church SHOULD be unified.. what has broken us apart is our lack of the Word. You'd think a religion founded on a book would actually read it... you'd be surprised how many don't even crack it open during service. There are a faithful few churches who do... I pray that mine stays faithful and that it actually IS faithful, I praise God for HIS work in the church I attend. There will never be a perfect church until Jesus returns. The problem is people. People are dumb. I'm a people. I'm dumb. God makes us undumb for periods of time and He can do some pretty cool things. I didn't get to spill my guts enough but I need sleep. I'll respond after work tomorrow. thanks for reading. smile
Phen
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:24 pm
Okay.. you say the churches aren't unified..that may be true. The only truth that is CHRISTIANITY itself is Jesus. All that other stuff is knit-picking. God isn't going to care what dang sect you are. If you start worrying over the different sects, you DO loose sight of the real picture. The answer to who is wrong and who is right is simple: yes. The bible has so many ways to view it.. as for homosexuality it is plainly written in the text: 1 Timothy 1:9-11, Romans 1:18-32 are just a view of the verses. They are nothing to argue about, it is PLAINLY, BLUNTLY expressed that homosexuality is peversion and is a sin. There are no if, and or buts about it. There is no different way to view that. The sects who simply ignore that are ignorant. Yes, we don't all agree! You need to find a "sect" that you agree with.. read the bible and see if such sect is really worth being part of. Perhaps try a bunch of churches, it really doesn't matter if they believe in dunking, sprinkling or who knows what else. What I'm basically trying to say is... We're different, and it doesn't matter in the end. We unify when it comes to elections(ergo, Bush was elected because of the platform, not just to say that all christians are republicans, just stating something) and when it comes to the national day of prayer. There's probably other things we unite with, if you only focus on the negatives then surely you will question what the heck you believe in. JESUS.. is the key. That is what unifies every christian sect, and that is what seriously matters. What should you follow? The bible. What if I don't understand this.. etc.? There are plenty of sources to help you understand the bible.. not necessarily a certain view from someone else either. Perhaps the words of the bible are also the key instead of a outlook. You have a "'Bout with doubt" going on D: I shall try to find my pastors sermons, they're very good for this kind of idea.. I guess surprised
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