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MustangDragon

PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:25 pm


Jad-Hoven
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3. Dogs are able to learn complex behaviors, this is not neccisarily a sign of raw intelligence but rather of adapability. A dog might not be smart enough to go to the store and buy sausages and bring them back if you give him money (but some buy in china managed to TRAIN his dog to do this anyway)

I bet he didn't count his change...

Other animals that have shown high degrees of intelligence other than primates.

Birds: Grey Parrots, and Ravens have both been shown signs of high reasoning ability. I read one study comparing the reasoning abilites of cats, dogs, ravens, and the ravens won hands down. (I haven't been able to find it tonight but if anyone is interested I will try to dig it up)

There is a book about crows written by a man who spent a year on a mountain side living in a lean-to (or tent, I forget), watching the local crows. In the winter, he began hauling up cow carcusses (like a quarter at a time) and baiting them to watch their behavior. He was primarily interested in their calls and what each signified. It is a fascinating book. I wish I could remember the name of the author, or the book.


Other mammals. I haven't seen a lot of scientific data to support this but I have watched a lot of nature shows, I always felt that elephants, dolphins and whales, were pretty bright for animals. (anyone willing to dig up a few links to support or undermine this belief)

Grizzley bears are extremely smart, and are not social animals. They are just top of the food chain, with no natural enemies (besides other grizzleys). They are considered extremely intelligent by those who observe them and those who hunt them. They have been observed sitting quietly on a hillside staring into a particularly beautiful sunset. Not sitting in that spot during a dim, uninteresting sunset. Makes you think.

On a completely unrelated note have you ever looked at a shark's eyes in an aquarium.... They are really spooky like there is no life or emotion in them they are just kind of creepy and alien. ( I don't think fish are too smart and its three AM here so mind is wandering)

The octopus is considered an intelligent fish (for a fish). They exhibit a lot of curiosity, and can learn things for food rewards. However, they have a very short life span (2 years or so), and have therefore not been tested as far as a longer lived species.

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:00 am


MustangDragon
Jad-Hoven
.......
3. Dogs are able to learn complex behaviors, this is not neccisarily a sign of raw intelligence but rather of adapability. A dog might not be smart enough to go to the store and buy sausages and bring them back if you give him money (but some buy in china managed to TRAIN his dog to do this anyway)

I bet he didn't count his change...

Other animals that have shown high degrees of intelligence other than primates.

Birds: Grey Parrots, and Ravens have both been shown signs of high reasoning ability. I read one study comparing the reasoning abilites of cats, dogs, ravens, and the ravens won hands down. (I haven't been able to find it tonight but if anyone is interested I will try to dig it up)

There is a book about crows written by a man who spent a year on a mountain side living in a lean-to (or tent, I forget), watching the local crows. In the winter, he began hauling up cow carcusses (like a quarter at a time) and baiting them to watch their behavior. He was primarily interested in their calls and what each signified. It is a fascinating book. I wish I could remember the name of the author, or the book.


Other mammals. I haven't seen a lot of scientific data to support this but I have watched a lot of nature shows, I always felt that elephants, dolphins and whales, were pretty bright for animals. (anyone willing to dig up a few links to support or undermine this belief)

Grizzley bears are extremely smart, and are not social animals. They are just top of the food chain, with no natural enemies (besides other grizzleys). They are considered extremely intelligent by those who observe them and those who hunt them. They have been observed sitting quietly on a hillside staring into a particularly beautiful sunset. Not sitting in that spot during a dim, uninteresting sunset. Makes you think.

On a completely unrelated note have you ever looked at a shark's eyes in an aquarium.... They are really spooky like there is no life or emotion in them they are just kind of creepy and alien. ( I don't think fish are too smart and its three AM here so mind is wandering)

The octopus is considered an intelligent fish (for a fish). They exhibit a lot of curiosity, and can learn things for food rewards. However, they have a very short life span (2 years or so), and have therefore not been tested as far as a longer lived species.



Found the crow book referenced. It is called In the
Company of Crows and Ravens by John M. Marzzleuff and Tony Angell

Also the octopus is an invertebrate, a mollusk to be specific (same phylum as squids, snails, and clams). Fish are vertibrates (phylum chordata same as birds mammals and reptiles). Big difference. They are interesting in that they are one of the only invertibrates to show a reasonable degree of intelligence, and they are considered the most highly evolved (although the meaning of this word can be highly contested) members of phylum mullusca.

Jad-Hoven


K Ryoko

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:09 am


I believe that the dogs are very intelligent, although it is for instinct, the dog with some training can put its head in its owner's legs, that is sign that the dog perceives the state of his owner's health and with that act he notices him that it is hour of his medicine before him attack; an old woman that lived single, alone had to understand she San Bernardo's acts before her attacks, the old woman realized that her dog was layers of knowing she state of health, I cannot explain how it is that the dog can make that, but it is true.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:54 pm


`Zeke
I feel canines minds are highly developed simply because: Firstly, they are carnivores – there have been studies that prove carnivores have a more developed mind and simply have to in order to out wit their pray and capture it.
Secondly, they are social creatures. Studies have been done to prove social creatures minds are more highly developed.
Lastly, not only that, for hundreds of thousands of years they have been social with human kind.

It is a matter of time in my opinion that canines will become more intelligent as hundreds of years progress, though not on such a grand scale as a human.


Joo know they will start talking any time soon. D;


But yeah, about the topic, I do think they can think and choose what they feel like doing, at least half of the time, trying to get what's best for them, etc.

Mebd


sbpoofer

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:38 pm


heart Dogs!!
If dogs could be taught to communicate with us - what would they say??
Some run into walls stare and others bravely rescue people from the rubble!! blaugh
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:24 pm


i think that many animals in our world are intelligent. And I DO mean in smartness. There may be animals with many ideas for inventions, but they may not be able to invent because of their bodies. Primates can invent, kind of, because they have opposable thumbs. Other animal cannot.

NasaFan


Emily`s_Gone_Mad

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:18 pm


sbpoofer
heart Dogs!!
If dogs could be taught to communicate with us - what would they say??
Some run into walls stare and others bravely rescue people from the rubble!! blaugh


Well I'm sure there are dumb animals as well as there are dump people.
Some are gifted and some ...well...are not.
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