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Peace Love And Skate

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:30 pm


I'm interested in Mysticism, and I'd like to know what you guys think about it.
For information on mysticism, I'd check it out on wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism
I suppose the idea of a transcendent entity appeals to me, and a way to reach it kinda synchs with my ideas on Nirvana. Soooo, yeah, Mysticism?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:15 pm


I love Mysticism in all it's forms... In fact, I'd go as far as to call it my religion. The form of Mysticism I focus on is called Hermeticism, and the tradition of Hermeticism I follow is the Golden Dawn. In fact, if you want to know more about Hermeticism, I wrote a (rather lengthy) thread about it here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=7681901

Hermeticism is basically a combination of Mysticisms from Greece, Egypt, Judaism, Christianity, parts of Europe, and a slew of influences from elsewhere. I've come to hold all forms of Mysticism in high regard.

A Murder of Angels
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Peace Love And Skate

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:31 pm


A Murder of Angels
I love Mysticism in all it's forms... In fact, I'd go as far as to call it my religion. The form of Mysticism I focus on is called Hermeticism, and the tradition of Hermeticism I follow is the Golden Dawn. In fact, if you want to know more about Hermeticism, I wrote a (rather lengthy) thread about it here: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=7681901

Hermeticism is basically a combination of Mysticisms from Greece, Egypt, Judaism, Christianity, parts of Europe, and a slew of influences from elsewhere. I've come to hold all forms of Mysticism in high regard.
I'll have to check out that thread. wink Mysticism really fascinates me. It seems to be at the core of every religion, but they all seem to forget it. I plan on making a guild devoted to Mysticism sometime soon, but not sure when, and not entirely sure that I will. xD Know anything about Christian Mysticism? I'm even a bit curious about Gnosticism..
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:22 pm


The terms Gnosticism and Christian Mysticism can be used almost interchangeably, as Gnostics were the original Christian Mystics, and modern Christian Mystics borrow heavily from the Gnostics.

Basically put, the Gnostics were an early mystery cult that believed God was evil and Jesus was sent from heaven to deliver secret knowledge to mankind which would break them from the cycle of rebirth. This secret knowledge, which is gained through personal revelation, is called Gnosis. The Gnostics had their own churches and their own set of gospels and holy scriptures. These scriptures are often contradictory to the Bible, but are viewed as a mystic or allegorical interpretation of the actual events.

In the early medieval period, the Gnostics were hunted and wiped out by the newly formed Catholic church. Fortunately, a good portion of their scriptures were preserved. The best example is the Nag Hammadi library, which consisted of 52 Gnostic texts buried under the desert in Egypt. With these texts, modern theologists have been able to reconstruct an accurate view of the religion the way it was two-thousand years ago. There is now a growing number of practitioners of this formerly dead religion.

Generally, Christian Mystics don't believe God is evil, but still might believe Jesus delivered secret knowledge. Many Christian Mystics lean toward New Age tenancies, with a particular focus on communication with angels, and in some cases the use of tarot cards or (in cases of Catholic Mysticism) a belief in the holy powers of the saints. Many Christian Mystics will read certain Gnostic texts and consider them as holy as Biblical scripture. (The Gospel of Thomas is the most popular one. The Gospel of Mary Magdalen is also widely read.)

There's also a few rarer groups such as the Christian Wiccans and Christian Goths who hold mystic view relating to Christianity.

There's more, but the cramp in my wrist just informed me that I write too much. sweatdrop

A Murder of Angels
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Peace Love And Skate

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:00 pm


Wow.. xD Haha, thanks for the information! I really didn't know Christians really existed before Catholicism. Very factual, thanks. xD
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:36 am


I'm actually in a Mysticism course at my university right now. We only covered the Christian Mystics, Hindu mystics, Buddhist, and modern mystics. It's pretty much my religion, as well. I'd be happy to help out if you have any questions or anything; I have nine books on gnosticism, and a smattering of other mystics here and there as well.

I'd be VERY careful saying gnostics and Christian mystics are idenitcal. They might have been very early on, but in modern times, there is no way. This is because there are dozens of movements that call themselves 'gnostic', and it's better to not use the terms interchangeably; it can cause chaos unless you're talking to someone who also knows what you are talking about. Trust me. Learned this from my classes. xd

Aevey


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:26 am


Wings of Aegis
I'd be VERY careful saying gnostics and Christian mystics are idenitcal. They might have been very early on, but in modern times, there is no way. This is because there are dozens of movements that call themselves 'gnostic', and it's better to not use the terms interchangeably; it can cause chaos unless you're talking to someone who also knows what you are talking about. Trust me. Learned this from my classes. xd


Point taken. As far as I'm concerned, all Gnostics are mystics (whether they call themselves that or not), but not all mystics are Gnostics. Modern mystics may borrow elements of Gosticism, but there are clear major differences.

Having many personal Gnostic beliefs, I was writing that from a more Gnostic point of view. To rephrase: Gnostic = ancient mystery cult. Modern Christian Mystic = Christain New Ager (in most cases). Both = Mystic, in one form or another.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:58 pm


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I adore mysticism because of its scope and aim. While I focus on Buddhism
for the most part, I find that looking at mystic aspects of Taoism, Shinto, as
well as Christianity, Gnosticism, and other Western traditions is very helpful.

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Tenzin Chodron


Peace Love And Skate

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:16 pm


Katagami-sama
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I adore mysticism because of its scope and aim. While I focus on Buddhism
for the most part, I find that looking at mystic aspects of Taoism, Shinto, as
well as Christianity, Gnosticism, and other Western traditions is very helpful.

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Pretty close to mine own combination of beliefs. Odd, I was thinking about how Christianity, Taoism, and Buddhism inter-connect just earlier today..
Spirits in Spacesuits has some really good stuff to say about the similarities between religions, and what they all mean.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:48 pm


A Murder of Angels
Wings of Aegis
I'd be VERY careful saying gnostics and Christian mystics are idenitcal. They might have been very early on, but in modern times, there is no way. This is because there are dozens of movements that call themselves 'gnostic', and it's better to not use the terms interchangeably; it can cause chaos unless you're talking to someone who also knows what you are talking about. Trust me. Learned this from my classes. xd


Point taken. As far as I'm concerned, all Gnostics are mystics (whether they call themselves that or not), but not all mystics are Gnostics. Modern mystics may borrow elements of Gosticism, but there are clear major differences.

Having many personal Gnostic beliefs, I was writing that from a more Gnostic point of view. To rephrase: Gnostic = ancient mystery cult. Modern Christian Mystic = Christain New Ager (in most cases). Both = Mystic, in one form or another.


Ooh, nice, another person who has some gnostic beliefs. heart

Yeah, I agree in your distinctions; you put it much better than I could have. Except, I'll admit right now...I'm not overly fond of a lot of the 'neo-Gnostic' movements out there. sweatdrop

Aevey


A Murder of Angels
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:02 am


Wings of Aegis
A Murder of Angels
Wings of Aegis
I'd be VERY careful saying gnostics and Christian mystics are idenitcal. They might have been very early on, but in modern times, there is no way. This is because there are dozens of movements that call themselves 'gnostic', and it's better to not use the terms interchangeably; it can cause chaos unless you're talking to someone who also knows what you are talking about. Trust me. Learned this from my classes. xd


Point taken. As far as I'm concerned, all Gnostics are mystics (whether they call themselves that or not), but not all mystics are Gnostics. Modern mystics may borrow elements of Gosticism, but there are clear major differences.

Having many personal Gnostic beliefs, I was writing that from a more Gnostic point of view. To rephrase: Gnostic = ancient mystery cult. Modern Christian Mystic = Christain New Ager (in most cases). Both = Mystic, in one form or another.


Ooh, nice, another person who has some gnostic beliefs. heart

Yeah, I agree in your distinctions; you put it much better than I could have. Except, I'll admit right now...I'm not overly fond of a lot of the 'neo-Gnostic' movements out there. sweatdrop


Oh? Why, may I ask?

Personally, I find the lectures of Stephan Hoeller very inspiring, and the books by Elaine Pagels as excellent tools in understanding Gnosticism.

Or are you referring to the weird blend of Gnosticism and modern New-Agey beliefs that have cropped up, in contrast to modern reconstructionist groups like the one led by Hoeller?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:03 pm


A Murder of Angels
Wings of Aegis
A Murder of Angels
Wings of Aegis
I'd be VERY careful saying gnostics and Christian mystics are idenitcal. They might have been very early on, but in modern times, there is no way. This is because there are dozens of movements that call themselves 'gnostic', and it's better to not use the terms interchangeably; it can cause chaos unless you're talking to someone who also knows what you are talking about. Trust me. Learned this from my classes. xd


Point taken. As far as I'm concerned, all Gnostics are mystics (whether they call themselves that or not), but not all mystics are Gnostics. Modern mystics may borrow elements of Gosticism, but there are clear major differences.

Having many personal Gnostic beliefs, I was writing that from a more Gnostic point of view. To rephrase: Gnostic = ancient mystery cult. Modern Christian Mystic = Christain New Ager (in most cases). Both = Mystic, in one form or another.


Ooh, nice, another person who has some gnostic beliefs. heart

Yeah, I agree in your distinctions; you put it much better than I could have. Except, I'll admit right now...I'm not overly fond of a lot of the 'neo-Gnostic' movements out there. sweatdrop


Oh? Why, may I ask?

Personally, I find the lectures of Stephan Hoeller very inspiring, and the books by Elaine Pagels as excellent tools in understanding Gnosticism.

Or are you referring to the weird blend of Gnosticism and modern New-Agey beliefs that have cropped up, in contrast to modern reconstructionist groups like the one led by Hoeller?


Elaine Pagels = Awesome.

Yeah, I'm talking about that weird blend. I can't say on Hoeller, but I'll have to check him out. I'm talking like the Ramtha movement, and Sylvia Browne's movement, and this one movement that I can't remember the name of, but is totally centered around sex entirely, WHICH, is ironic because the first gnostics were celibate.

It's like they just attach the name 'gnostic' to them to make them seem more mystical, and, in a way, they ARE gnostic in that they claim to have secret knowledge. But some of them are hardly recognizable to me.

Aevey

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