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 Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:49 pm
PrototypeHastur Funkalicious_INK PrototypeHastur Funkalicious_INK Anything not involving Soul Link is stupid to PvP with as a Warlock. End. Of. Story. Maso is an unreliable source for Warlock talents, 1. That's from PRETBC, 2. He plays a warrior now. You must be off your rocker if you think Soul Link is the ONLY thing that makes Warlock a good pvp class. You must be a noob Warlock. End. Of. Story. No, you're terrible. Like, terrrrrriiiiible. Soul Link isn't what makes Warlocks good, it keeps warlocks from being trash. The mitagation is gamebreaking, if you don't beleive that you're bad and should give NO ONE advice. THE ONLY THING, that you should be doing on this forum is asking for help or leaving. You have no place to give advice. End. Of. Story. Warlocks are the best surviviors out of all of the cloth-wearing spell-casters. (Second to MAYBE holy priest) The key is stamina. They have a ton of it, and are meant to have so much of it, that they match warriors and paladins in terms of health. Soul-link only makes their stamina more efficiency, otherwise affliction warlocks then go on fear and drain life combo after DoTs. Sorry to say, Warlock DoT's can kill almost anyone. Corruption, Immolation, Curse of Agony, Siphon Life, and top it off with Unstable Affliction, then there's nothing dispelers can do without taking heavy damage and silencing themselves so you can just reapply Unstable Affliction. Plus, Instant howl of terror only increases Affliction warlock's survivability in both solo PvE and PvP scenerios. You're still terrible, and here's why. PvP is ballanced around arenas, in which case anyone who's not noob has more than 10k life, right? Let's assume, that for the sake of me being lazy, each DoT would do 1k. Corruption, even with 1k spell damage which is high would deal 2k IF specced into it. Immolate benefits so LITTLE from spell damage, and your DD portion does little damage due to spec 1k total. Siphon Life has a bad coefficient, 2k MAYBE. UA, same coefficient. And Curse of Agony? More of the same... Let's see, 7k... s**t. Now you want to live to reapply this, right? Well trade out curse of agony for weakness... 5k, twice. Oh damn, that's nice. Let's drop UA so we can get easily another application, and nullify the oppoenents damage. Apply 3 times. 9k. Not as much as the last. However, you've crippled your opponent. He's dealing 20% less damage + Fel Pup's 70 some resistances you get, and/or your 20% ish armor, and the possibility of you taking out a blueberry for 50% So, in a PvP environment, not only did you nullify your oppponents damage a craptload, allowing your partners to heal you/kill them easier, but you live longer. THUS, it is obviously better for PvP, which is no longer a nuke fest. Forgive me if maths r wrong, it's late.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:56 pm
Yeah, the talents in this thread are horribly out of date and the only thing that I really know extremely well right now is Warriors. I'll reupdate this after I talk to Soppon about it.
Edit: However, there is a reason that SL/SL is considered the only viable specc in PvP except for Felguard, which has Soul Link in it as well.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:01 pm
Funkalicious_INK PrototypeHastur Warlocks are the best surviviors out of all of the cloth-wearing spell-casters. (Second to MAYBE holy priest) The key is stamina. They have a ton of it, and are meant to have so much of it, that they match warriors and paladins in terms of health. Soul-link only makes their stamina more efficiency, otherwise affliction warlocks then go on fear and drain life combo after DoTs. Sorry to say, Warlock DoT's can kill almost anyone. Corruption, Immolation, Curse of Agony, Siphon Life, and top it off with Unstable Affliction, then there's nothing dispelers can do without taking heavy damage and silencing themselves so you can just reapply Unstable Affliction. Plus, Instant howl of terror only increases Affliction warlock's survivability in both solo PvE and PvP scenerios. You're still terrible, and here's why. PvP is ballanced around arenas, in which case anyone who's not noob has more than 10k life, right? Let's assume, that for the sake of me being lazy, each DoT would do 1k. Corruption, even with 1k spell damage which is high would deal 2k IF specced into it. Immolate benefits so LITTLE from spell damage, and your DD portion does little damage due to spec 1k total. Siphon Life has a bad coefficient, 2k MAYBE. UA, same coefficient. And Curse of Agony? More of the same... Let's see, 7k... s**t. Now you want to live to reapply this, right? Well trade out curse of agony for weakness... 5k, twice. Oh damn, that's nice. Let's drop UA so we can get easily another application, and nullify the oppoenents damage. Apply 3 times. 9k. Not as much as the last. However, you've crippled your opponent. He's dealing 20% less damage + Fel Pup's 70 some resistances you get, and/or your 20% ish armor, and the possibility of you taking out a blueberry for 50% So, in a PvP environment, not only did you nullify your oppponents damage a craptload, allowing your partners to heal you/kill them easier, but you live longer. THUS, it is obviously better for PvP, which is no longer a nuke fest. Forgive me if maths r wrong, it's late. Umm. Hardly any affliction warlocks cast Immolation. After all, that precious 2 seconds is enough for a UA which halts dispellers. (Apparently dispelling is quite the popular trend in PvP) Immolation is purely meant for Warlocks who have extra mana and time to cast it as an additional DoT. Even if Affliction warlocks cast Immolation, it's only use as a starter. Corruption and Seed of Corruption is always a good spell, whichever one you use, I don't need to justify the effectiveness of the spell to you since you make it out to be soooo worthless or whatever. Plus,. Corruption triggers Nightfall. Instant-cast Shadowbolt anyone? Siphon Life is a free healing agent when you can't get Drain Life out. And for the long-period of time it's applied on the target, it's even better. Curse of Agony? Curse of Weakness? Personally, I wouldn't even touch those curses since you can only apply a single valuable curse on a single target. I don't know a good affliction player than uses those. Curse of Tongues goes upon any spell-caster, and Curse of Shadow is applied on non spell-casters. If you have Imp. Curse of shadow/elements, it only gets better. Believe me, you truly underestimate Curse of Shadow. Or around the same level, if you are paired with a mage, go Curse of Elements for them. Drain Life is a situational spell that adds a ton of bonus when you apply your standard DoTs. Curse of Shadow, Corruption, Siphon Life, etc. Apply an instant-howl of terror, you drain a selective target of your health. (Or if you are up against a paladin healer, Drain mana) And with 70% Anti-fail talent, it takes you plenty beyond what you may think. Soul-link warlocks indeed are among the best in PvP warlock builds. However, it isn't the ONLY build a person can take as you so state. Besides, Soul-link warlocks fail when up against other warlocks. Banish anyone?
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:48 pm
Hey. Im pretty much new to this entire game, I became level 11 yesterday. Im a Tauren Warrior, and I was wondering what would be a good build for me? I like the idea of a Arms warrior, and I definately wouldn't mind Fury, but the idea of being a defensive tank doesn't really make me all to excited. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0502502135201052012125105050105I found this earlier, and I guess that would be alright with me, I was just wondering what you guys thought about the weapon choice, as in the Specilization choice, Which do you think helps the warrior out the most?
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:39 am
Yujinuko Hey. Im pretty much new to this entire game, I became level 11 yesterday. Im a Tauren Warrior, and I was wondering what would be a good build for me? I like the idea of a Arms warrior, and I definately wouldn't mind Fury, but the idea of being a defensive tank doesn't really make me all to excited. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?0502502135201052012125105050105I found this earlier, and I guess that would be alright with me, I was just wondering what you guys thought about the weapon choice, as in the Specilization choice, Which do you think helps the warrior out the most? Ah, another DPS warrior. Anyway, That build is a bit standard, and there isn't anything wrong with standard. My only issue is that I don't know what you're looking to do during your time on WoW. Do you intend to PvP or PvE? I should know before I give any advice on warriors builds.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:55 am
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:54 pm
PrototypeHastur Funkalicious_INK PrototypeHastur Warlocks are the best surviviors out of all of the cloth-wearing spell-casters. (Second to MAYBE holy priest) The key is stamina. They have a ton of it, and are meant to have so much of it, that they match warriors and paladins in terms of health. Soul-link only makes their stamina more efficiency, otherwise affliction warlocks then go on fear and drain life combo after DoTs. Sorry to say, Warlock DoT's can kill almost anyone. Corruption, Immolation, Curse of Agony, Siphon Life, and top it off with Unstable Affliction, then there's nothing dispelers can do without taking heavy damage and silencing themselves so you can just reapply Unstable Affliction. Plus, Instant howl of terror only increases Affliction warlock's survivability in both solo PvE and PvP scenerios. You're still terrible, and here's why. PvP is ballanced around arenas, in which case anyone who's not noob has more than 10k life, right? Let's assume, that for the sake of me being lazy, each DoT would do 1k. Corruption, even with 1k spell damage which is high would deal 2k IF specced into it. Immolate benefits so LITTLE from spell damage, and your DD portion does little damage due to spec 1k total. Siphon Life has a bad coefficient, 2k MAYBE. UA, same coefficient. And Curse of Agony? More of the same... Let's see, 7k... s**t. Now you want to live to reapply this, right? Well trade out curse of agony for weakness... 5k, twice. Oh damn, that's nice. Let's drop UA so we can get easily another application, and nullify the oppoenents damage. Apply 3 times. 9k. Not as much as the last. However, you've crippled your opponent. He's dealing 20% less damage + Fel Pup's 70 some resistances you get, and/or your 20% ish armor, and the possibility of you taking out a blueberry for 50% So, in a PvP environment, not only did you nullify your oppponents damage a craptload, allowing your partners to heal you/kill them easier, but you live longer. THUS, it is obviously better for PvP, which is no longer a nuke fest. Forgive me if maths r wrong, it's late. Umm. Hardly any affliction warlocks cast Immolation. After all, that precious 2 seconds is enough for a UA which halts dispellers. (Apparently dispelling is quite the popular trend in PvP) Immolation is purely meant for Warlocks who have extra mana and time to cast it as an additional DoT. Even if Affliction warlocks cast Immolation, it's only use as a starter. Corruption and Seed of Corruption is always a good spell, whichever one you use, I don't need to justify the effectiveness of the spell to you since you make it out to be soooo worthless or whatever. Plus,. Corruption triggers Nightfall. Instant-cast Shadowbolt anyone? Siphon Life is a free healing agent when you can't get Drain Life out. And for the long-period of time it's applied on the target, it's even better. Curse of Agony? Curse of Weakness? Personally, I wouldn't even touch those curses since you can only apply a single valuable curse on a single target. I don't know a good affliction player than uses those. Curse of Tongues goes upon any spell-caster, and Curse of Shadow is applied on non spell-casters. If you have Imp. Curse of shadow/elements, it only gets better. Believe me, you truly underestimate Curse of Shadow. Or around the same level, if you are paired with a mage, go Curse of Elements for them. Drain Life is a situational spell that adds a ton of bonus when you apply your standard DoTs. Curse of Shadow, Corruption, Siphon Life, etc. Apply an instant-howl of terror, you drain a selective target of your health. (Or if you are up against a paladin healer, Drain mana) And with 70% Anti-fail talent, it takes you plenty beyond what you may think. Soul-link warlocks indeed are among the best in PvP warlock builds. However, it isn't the ONLY build a person can take as you so state. Besides, Soul-link warlocks fail when up against other warlocks. Banish anyone? I was prertty damn sure you'd b***h about me not using all the Dots if I didn't use immo. Anyways. Using Seed Of Corruption in arena is ******** retarded. Break CC anyone? SL is PART OF SL/SL. No s**t. Maso is a great aff lock. Anyone that is over the 1500s (Sorry, your 1k rated aff lock doesn't count) uses their spells. CoS and CoE are extremely situational, and therefore CoA is better. Insta Howl shouldn't be needed, as if it's ABSOLUTELY nessacery you bring out ******** DC -> Fear which lasts 3/2 as long as IHoT. Drain Mana should be used against nearly any healer. Drain Life should be used shittons. It's not situational in PvP. Soul Link Warlocks are the best in PvP warlock builds. Felguard has situationally better uses. These are the ONLY builds that you can use in arena with the rare exception that anti dispell is ridiculiously useful. SL Warlocks don't own other warlocks one on one, but they beat the living s**t out of other warlocks where PvP matters.
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:53 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:50 pm
DON'T USE SHITTY WOW TALENT CALCULATOR PLEASE JESUS. also, there is a new sticky in main forum, use that oneeeee.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:36 pm
Eh, I know there's a link to a balance druid talent build in the...second post or something. But it's a dead link.
Anyhow, I want ot spec my lil' druid balance and I was just wondering what I should get, and what I should focus on when gearing her.
:3
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:20 pm
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:16 am
Demon Fenrir Relax, the death shall be quick, painless, and PETA friendly hopefully*D.E.H.T.A. Friendly >.>
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:07 pm
IDK what to spec in so I went to the Talent Calculator and came up with this: Ret PallyIf you guys have any suggestions on what I should do? I am going to be a Ret Pally! ^_^
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