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 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:22 pm
The concept of the miracle is found in various forms across the world's religions. Inspired from the 'magic' topic floating around in the Guild right now, I'm curious how you all define the term 'miracle.' What sorts of things would you classify as a miracle? What beings or forces can preform miracles? What is the distinction, if any, between miracles, divine intervention, and magic?
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:28 pm
A miracle is caused by a wanting. Like the miracles Jesus performed. He didn't do it to show his powers off, but to show that he cared for us. Divine Intervention is the same, but I'm sure it's God's doing. Now, magic is COMPLETELY different. Magic is the human attempt to controll powers that aren't of God, but is from unknown forces like Satan.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:13 pm
I think miracles are very rare. Most of the time, humans cause these so called miracles with a thing called science. The rest of them are luck, which is miracles in my opinion. I believe you can't believe in them and work to solve your problems.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:57 pm
I feel a mircle is something that happens that only a Diety/God/Netjer could pull off, such as a deadly cancer comming close to killing its host and then, overnight, there is no trace of the cancer cells and the patient is cured of it, or perhaps a tornado turning back to the ocean while comming almost a mile away from a heavily-populated area. Basically, things that cannot be explained, especially scientifically explained, that are to our benefit.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:56 pm
I won't deny that miracles happen, but I don't believe that God has anything to do with them. I don't believe that God acts, at least not in ways we can comprehend.
I think miracles are a product of faith. There is a Hindu tale in which a Brahmin told his servantgirl to go fetch him something from across the Ganges. The nearest bridge is over ten miles away and she missed the ferry. She prayed and then walked across the river, got what she was sent for, and returned. The Brahmin said, "How did you get it so quickly??" She explained that she walked across the river. He took her to the river and had her show him. She stood out on the water. He prayed as well, marched out, and tripped in to the river. He spluttered, "How is it that you can stand on the water and I can't?" She explained, "I have faith that the water will hold me up, but you test the water."
I believe that honest faith - not a test or an ultimatum - can make "miracles" happen.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:41 pm
A miracle is just another name for getting your way for once. It's just like winning the lottery. It doesn't happen to everyone, but for once it actually happened for you.
Personally, I don't believe in miracles. It's just probability, chance. Some people may seem "luckier" then others, but it's not really because they are special... it's just probability.
Though of course I'll use lucky in the terminology it applies to. I'll still say "Wow was I lucky!" but I don't believe in it either.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:52 am
To me, miracles are just instances of extreme luck. Maybe you won the lottery, or an extremely ill relative got better overnight, or you met an old friend you hadn't seen in ten years in a foreign country. It's just a huge bit luck on your part, as well as for those who also benefit from it. I don't think there's any relation between these so-called 'miracles' and magic at all.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 1:05 pm
I believe that "miracles" - events that are extremely unlikely occurring - happen because people's fatih increases the odds.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:28 am
kleokriesel I believe that "miracles" - events that are extremely unlikely occurring - happen because people's fatih increases the odds. Faith in the odds as part of the causality? That's really interesting! That would by some bring it pretty closely in line with magic, which is a process of influencing event outcome through will. Do you make a distinction between this sort of miracle work and general magic?
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:32 pm
Starlock kleokriesel I believe that "miracles" - events that are extremely unlikely occurring - happen because people's fatih increases the odds. Faith in the odds as part of the causality? That's really interesting! That would by some bring it pretty closely in line with magic, which is a process of influencing event outcome through will. Do you make a distinction between this sort of miracle work and general magic?
. . . anyway . . . well how would you define magic?
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:34 am
kleokriesel Starlock kleokriesel I believe that "miracles" - events that are extremely unlikely occurring - happen because people's fatih increases the odds. Faith in the odds as part of the causality? That's really interesting! That would by some bring it pretty closely in line with magic, which is a process of influencing event outcome through will. Do you make a distinction between this sort of miracle work and general magic?
. . . anyway . . . well how would you define magic?It is often defined as making the external world conform to one's will, but there are a variety of definitions that are used. Getting a single definition for magic is about as absurd as getting a single definition of religion. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:34 pm
Starlock kleokriesel Starlock kleokriesel I believe that "miracles" - events that are extremely unlikely occurring - happen because people's fatih increases the odds. Faith in the odds as part of the causality? That's really interesting! That would by some bring it pretty closely in line with magic, which is a process of influencing event outcome through will. Do you make a distinction between this sort of miracle work and general magic?
. . . anyway . . . well how would you define magic?It is often defined as making the external world conform to one's will, but there are a variety of definitions that are used. Getting a single definition for magic is about as absurd as getting a single definition of religion. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:47 pm
kleokriesel Yeah, I know everyone has his/her own definition of magic; I just wanted to know yours so there wouldn't be too much of a mixup. With that definition, I would make a distinction. That seems more like an attempt at control or a test, which is different from just faith. There's a difference between strongly believing that things will turn out for the better and asking a force/entity to cause a specific act to occur. There is definately a difference; both are described by some laws of magic. I have trouble defining magic sometimes myself. I often don't make a huge distinction between magic, the Sacred, and the Divine. xd It depends on the context of the conversation in terms of how I go about defining it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:33 pm
A miracle is when something we have believed to be impossible happens?
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:14 pm
neolaviathen A miracle is when something we have believed to be impossible happens? It could be. Some people I know tend to say that a miracle must have a supernatural or divine component to it. Like... not just something we believed to be impossible, but something that IS impossible without supernatural intervention. What do you all think of that?
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